DH is being reinstated to JWism...

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chimera said:
From Yessisan:
" Just do me a favor, look at your NWT version and check John 20:28. Why would Thomas say to Jesus “my Lord and my God” if he is not in fact God??"
me: "Thomas was impulsive and when Lazarus died, said “Let’s go that we also may die"John11.16. and “Unless I see the nail marks I won’t believe”. Then “My Lord and God”. Jesus then reproved him John 20.24-9. So Thomas’ words were his own erratic expression, not words from Jesus”.

Yessisan:“Well, Jesus didn’t reprimand him for saying this, so how do you explain this”.
Jesus said Thomas saw and believed, but blessed are they who have not seen yet believe. Thomas was not included in the blessed group on that point, which is a reproof, is it not? It indicates that Thomas was less than reliable as a source of accurate faith.
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Oh boy, Chimera…you are reeeeeally reaching here!
Please show me this “explanation” in the early Church Fathers. I await your response.

May God the Blessed Trinity guide you to the Church he founded: The Catholic Church. 🙂
 
yessisan,

I am glad you had a good Easter

You and your husband must truly truly love each other, to have such different beliefs in Christ, and to be so strong in your respective faiths too.

I admire you for standing by him, even attending his JW functions, and also for telling him how strong you feel about it all.

It sounds like you two have a great marriage, and I will pray to God that He gives you the strength to keep working together, and to also make your husband see the Truth in our faith.

God bless
 
chimera said:
This discussion on Thomas was started by the person who began the topic, so it his her thread.
The apostles’ words were not always correct. Mark 8.33.- Jesus rebuked Peter saying “Get behind me,Satan” for saying things not from God but from men. Matt. 27.74.- Peter said he knew not Jesus. Then a cock crowed and he remembered the words of Jesus. There are numerous examples where before Pentecost and the holy spirit, the men who were new to Christianity (which had not in fact started before Christ’s death) made errors. They were willing to learn from Christ.
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Nice try. There is NO scriptural indication that Thomas erred in any way when referring to Jesus as, “My Lord and my God”.
On the other hand, scripture was quite clear about Peter’s sin.
 
yessisan said:
You guys are wonderful!! 😃 I don’t know what I’d do if I didn’t have CAF to vent out. I cannot tell anyone in my family this because they never want to listen about this problem since I brought it to myself. THANKS for all your support!!
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Hey there Yessisan!

Let me tell you something, dear Sister:
YOUR PRAYERS ARE NOT WASTED.
Furthermore, you are doing a mighty thing by sharing your situation here on CAF. I mean, look at all the people who are praying for your Husband because you posted here! RIGHT ON!!!

God responds when and how he will, and he always knows what is best. :hug1:

This is a cross for you. Pick it up and keep following Jesus. 👍

I dated a JW woman years ago, and I have a very good idea of what you’re up against. Our Lord is still on the throne, and he still loves you and your husband. Our Lord wants your husband to come home to his Church, and I will pray for him to do so. I’ll also be praying for you as well.
 
Dear Yessisan,

On Divine Mercy Sunday, I will add my prayers to those of the others here for the conversion of your husband.

~~ the phoenix
 
yessisan said:
Yes, DH was a disfellowshipped (DF’d) JW and I have always been a Catholic. May I ask why? If you’re going to say “you knew what you were getting in to”, I know I did, but because he was DF’d, I didn’t think he’d be allowed to get back in there… I didn’t think it’d be this hard.
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Oh, I wasn’t going to say “you knew what you were getting into”…I was just curious how this all developed. Were you a practicing Catholic at the time? Did he ever go to the Catholic Church with you? What were his feelings about Catholicism at the time?

What is the difference between disfellowshiped and inactive? Are both voluntary?
 
boppaid said:
Oh, I wasn’t going to say “you knew what you were getting into”…I was just curious how this all developed. Were you a practicing Catholic at the time? Did he ever go to the Catholic Church with you? What were his feelings about Catholicism at the time?

What is the difference between disfellowshiped and inactive? Are both voluntary?
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Hope you didn’t get me wrong, I’ve had JWs complaining here about things like that and started all nice and then got naughty, I said that just in case, nothing against you. Anywho, I was a practicing Catholic at the time, and still am. DH has never gone to Church w/me, he’s completely against it. He has taken me to confession but waits in the car.

We met at a friend’s house. I was invited to a babyshower, and she invited him so we could meet. Since he’s Mexican, I figured he was Catholic, so I didn’t ask about religion. You see, all the guys I dated were Catholic, so the idea of him not being Catholic didn’t even cross my mind. After I started feeling something for him, our “friend” told me to be careful because he was very religious. I didn’t think anything bad about it, so I told him she said this, and that’s when he told me he was a JW. :eek: Of the very few Mexicans you’ll ever meet who isn’t Catholic, I was surprised, scared, threatened… but that led me to do my Confirmation. We married and I started teaching Catechism and am attending a Catechist Institute.

Regarding the disfellowshipping and inactivity of JWs… being inactive is voluntary, however, this can bring consequences and if it’s too “extreme” they can be disfellowshipped. Disfellowshipped is when you have sinned and do not repent, or if you have committed the same sin more than once, or if you have gone against JW doctrine. My husband was DF’d because he was w/me, and because he was marrying me, a Catholic.

Hope that answers your questions.
 
yessisan said:
Yes, DH was a disfellowshipped (DF’d) JW and I have always been a Catholic. May I ask why? If you’re going to say “you knew what you were getting in to”, I know I did, but because he was DF’d, I didn’t think he’d be allowed to get back in there… I didn’t think it’d be this hard.
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Dear Yessisan,

Unless you have been a Jehovah’s Witness, there’s absolutely no way you could have known what you were getting into! The JW mindset and practices are quite foreign to the rest of the population. Don’t kick yourself too hard over that.

In Christ,
 
kellie said:
yessisan,

I am glad you had a good Easter

You and your husband must truly truly love each other, to have such different beliefs in Christ, and to be so strong in your respective faiths too.

I admire you for standing by him, even attending his JW functions, and also for telling him how strong you feel about it all.

It sounds like you two have a great marriage, and I will pray to God that He gives you the strength to keep working together, and to also make your husband see the Truth in our faith.

God bless
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Hi Kellie,

Thanks for your post. To tell you the truth, it’s hard to attend those JW things… I try to not even listen to them because in the past I have gotten very angry at the things the say. Last time I went I was just sitting there all bored and somewhat listening to those things they learn, I cannot believe such an intelligent person as DH can believe in such things.

But I love him, and I have to respect the fact he isn’t Catholic, and the fact that he doesn’t believe in the Trinity. But because I know the lies behind the falsetower, I let him know I do not approve of his religion, but because I love him I respect it. I actually told him this again last night when he asked if I had my catechism class for the children at Church this Sunday. I said yes, and then he went on telling me he wanted to go preach. :mad: I hate it, but I can’t do anything about it. The only thin I told him was that I will not take him with me in the morning to drop him at his sister’s so he can go preach, I told him he needed to find a way to get there (since he’s not supposed to drive). He understood and said, just to wait for him after his 1-3pm meeting so we can come back home together.

So I think you are right, so far our marriage has been a good and strong one. I just hope it stays this way.
 
SerenaHC said:
Dear Yessisan,

Unless you have been a Jehovah’s Witness, there’s absolutely no way you could have known what you were getting into! The JW mindset and practices are quite foreign to the rest of the population. Don’t kick yourself too hard over that.

In Christ,
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Hi Serena, thanks again for writing here. I know I wasn’t aware of many things, but I knew enough of them when I married him. I knew they are a cult and that they don’t like to socialize w/ “non-Christians”, that they believe they are the only Christians. I knew part of the blood resusal thing, but not to the extent of what it actually is. I didn’t know they don’t even accept blood thinners or blood cells, I thought they only refused transfusions. I didn’t know they don’t allow dialisis, or certain heart problem treatments, or even some vaccines… when I heard this DH and I had a huge argument and his last words were that Jehovah came before his family and he’d die before receiving blood… I was so angry, I said his duty was to live to support his family, and that God wasn’t asking him to martyr himself that way, that Scriptures were only speaking literally drinking blood. But like always, I can’t argue w/a JW about Scriptures. I’ve noticed that all, including DH, if they feel threatened when speaking of Scripture, they back out and leave, or change the subject completely.

These are the reasons why I feel bad, but I love him and believe that sooner or later he will return to the CC, I’m pretty sure God wants him to be a part of his Church.

Can I ask you what was it that led you to get out of the falsetower, and what made you look into the CC? Were you a convert from another religion to JWism? or were you a cradle JW?
 
yessisan said:
Hope that answers your questions.
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It does. 🙂 And thanks for your patience. I had no idea about the JWs and felt I needed to learn a little to know how to feel about this thread. It’s so sad, and you are definately in my prayers. Will you continue to keep us posted?
 
boppaid said:
It does. 🙂 And thanks for your patience. I had no idea about the JWs and felt I needed to learn a little to know how to feel about this thread. It’s so sad, and you are definately in my prayers. Will you continue to keep us posted?
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Thanks for the prayers, and I will always keep you guys posted because this is the only place I can rant, complain or cry about this and not be judged or put down or get in an argument w/anyone! This is why I LOVE CAF!! 😃

Oh, and if you ever want to learn more about the JWs, let me know, I know tons now for having attended meetings w/him, reading their literature, and living w/one at home.
 
yessisan said:
Hi Serena, thanks again for writing here. I know I wasn’t aware of many things, but I knew enough of them when I married him. I knew they are a cult and that they don’t like to socialize w/ “non-Christians”, that they believe they are the only Christians. I knew part of the blood resusal thing, but not to the extent of what it actually is. I didn’t know they don’t even accept blood thinners or blood cells, I thought they only refused transfusions. I didn’t know they don’t allow dialisis, or certain heart problem treatments, or even some vaccines… when I heard this DH and I had a huge argument and his last words were that Jehovah came before his family and he’d die before receiving blood… I was so angry, I said his duty was to live to support his family, and that God wasn’t asking him to martyr himself that way, that Scriptures were only speaking literally drinking blood. But like always, I can’t argue w/a JW about Scriptures. I’ve noticed that all, including DH, if they feel threatened when speaking of Scripture, they back out and leave, or change the subject completely.

These are the reasons why I feel bad, but I love him and believe that sooner or later he will return to the CC, I’m pretty sure God wants him to be a part of his Church.
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Do you have children? If you do, are they being raised Catholic? If you do not have any yet, will you make sure that they are raised Catholic?
 
lak611 said:
Do you have children? If you do, are they being raised Catholic? If you do not have any yet, will you make sure that they are raised Catholic?
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No children yet, but I want to raise them Catholic. As of making sure they’ll be raised Catholic, I’m the one who will be staying home with the children, so I’ll be doing the teaching… I just hope he doesn’t bother me about this when we decide to have children.
 
ReConverted said:
Hey there Yessisan!

Let me tell you something, dear Sister:
YOUR PRAYERS ARE NOT WASTED.
Furthermore, you are doing a mighty thing by sharing your situation here on CAF. I mean, look at all the people who are praying for your Husband because you posted here! RIGHT ON!!!

God responds when and how he will, and he always knows what is best. :hug1:

This is a cross for you. Pick it up and keep following Jesus. 👍

I dated a JW woman years ago, and I have a very good idea of what you’re up against. Our Lord is still on the throne, and he still loves you and your husband. Our Lord wants your husband to come home to his Church, and I will pray for him to do so. I’ll also be praying for you as well.
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You are right, my prayers aren’t wasted, and now I have so many more people praying for us, it’s wonderful!😃
wanner47 said:
Yessisan,

I will pray for the conversion of your husband.

Have you listened to these Catholic Answers Live programs, by any chance? They’re available for download free of charge.

Answering Jehovah’s Witnesses - Jason Evert

I Was A Jehovah’s Witness - John Davis

Jehovah’s Witnesses and the Divinity of Christ- John Davis

Good luck to you!
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Thanks for praying, and no…I haven’t listened to those, I try not to log onto CAF at home so DH doesn’t read all the things I write about, he’d be furious if he knew I’m asking people to pray for him. :o AndI don’t have sound on this computer at work, so maybe on a day DH goes to his meetings I can listen to them…
the_phoenix said:
Dear Yessisan,

On Divine Mercy Sunday, I will add my prayers to those of the others here for the conversion of your husband.

~~ the phoenix
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lak611 said:
I will too.
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THANK YOU!!! I hope God helps him listen sometime soon so I won’t be afraid of having children and face DH when I teach them about the CC.
 
yessisan said:
Of the very few Mexicans you’ll ever meet who isn’t Catholic, I was surprised, scared, threatened…
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Unfortunately, that generalization isn’t entirely true.
In the county I live in now, there’s 1 Catholic church and 1 kingdom hall. Now we got them beat in the number of latino members but not nearly as much as you might expect. And I would expect if you take the current population (not including new births and recent arrivals) their % of attendance is increasing more than ours.

Also, I can’t speak directly about the country of Mexico because I’ve never been there but I have been to other Central American countries and have seen firsthand the growing prescence of kingdom halls.
 
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