Did Christ Come to Earth to found a Mass?

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Caesar said:
Nonesense. The Tridentine Mass is more properly called the Gregorian Mass- after Pope St. Gregory the Great who codified that Rite (yet didnt found it- it’s lineage goes back to the Early Church).
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I’ll have to go pull my sources back out, but to the best of my knowledge, while the Tridentine rite contains much of the Gregorian Mass, they are not the same, nor was the Tridentine “codified” by Gregory. It was codified at Trent based on what had organically developed to that time.

On one of the more recent threads there was a pretty good list of the differences between the two compiled after someone else tried to refer to it as the “Mass of Gregory the Great”. Yes, there is great similarity, but the Tridentine Rite has only existed in its codified form since Trent, and even after that there was further organic development.
 
The present mass ‘handed down by God’, He doesn’t hand it down, He is there in His entirety. 🙂
 
KMXV said:
I’m glad to see you’ve finally come around to my way of thinking.

So, what was the purpose of this thread to begin with?
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You would be suprised to see how many people disagree with you.
 
I am not sure that the OP really asked a question, but I can identify with the point he seems to be trying to make. My observation about the matter would be to quote my mother (May she rest in peace.) “Everyone to his own taste said the old lady as she kissed the cow.” 😛 😛 😛
 
estesbob said:
I swear that is the impression I get from many when browsing these Forums. One would think that the Tridentime Mass was handed down from Jesus himself as he ascended to Heaven.
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It was established by Jesus at the Last Supper. The Mass of Mauday Thursday has no dismissal, because the Liturgy of Good Friday is part of it. Of which Jesus said “I was born for this”. Protestants often make the mistake of thinking that Jesus came to teach, and the that teachings recorded in the scriptures are the important thing. The parables and sayings are precious, but they are not the centre of the Church’s life.

There is a danger of getting too attached to the particular norms standardised by Trent. There were good reasons for them at the time, but they were never binding on the whole church, nor were they intended for all time. However there is much greater danger of jettisoning tradition just for the sake of appearing modern, talking glibly about a “priesthood of the people” without accepting the implications, and confusing an invitation to take responsibility for one’s own spiritual direction with an invitation to be irreverent.
 
John Paul VI was never mentioned. It was **PAUL VI. ** If the Tridentine mass came to us after 1500 years of Catholic History, are you saying that the NO Mass could not come 500 years later and not still be valid and proper. Something seems wrong with this logic.
Deacon Ed B
 
ncjohn said:
I’ll have to go pull my sources back out, but to the best of my knowledge, while the Tridentine rite contains much of the Gregorian Mass, they are not the same, nor was the Tridentine “codified” by Gregory. It was codified at Trent based on what had organically developed to that time.

On one of the more recent threads there was a pretty good list of the differences between the two compiled after someone else tried to refer to it as the “Mass of Gregory the Great”. Yes, there is great similarity, but the Tridentine Rite has only existed in its codified form since Trent, and even after that there was further organic development.
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I do not think that Caesar was impling that the mass of St. Gregory the Great and the Tridentine mass are identicle but rather, the Tridentine mass was the organic successor of the Gregorian mass. It is my understanding that the Tridentine mass is a sort of unification and codification of the massess that organically grew out of St. Gregory’s mass.

Also I think Caesar was very clear with the terms he used, he did not say that the Tridentine mass was codified by St. Gregory instead he used the term “rite” - which to me means that St.Gregory codified the Roman rite - this statement has nothing to do with St. Gregory codifying the Tridentine mass, which occurred close to a millennium afterwards.
 
Malcolm_McLean said:
Protestants often make the mistake of thinking that Jesus came to teach, and the that teachings recorded in the scriptures are the important thing. The parables and sayings are precious, but they are not the centre of the Church’s life.

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DING DING DING DING !!! We have a Winner 👍
 
estesbob said:
I swear that is the impression I get from many when browsing these Forums. One would think that the Tridentime Mass was handed down from Jesus himself as he ascended to Heaven.
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You got it. I find it funny how some traditionalists are posting on the OD thread that Opus dei is a cult. Well, in many ways extreme traditionalists are too - they have the “true” faith or “true” knowledge. Everyone else does not get it less they attend a TLM. It smacks of a form of Gnosticism to me. At times and in certain cases.
 
TLM Catholics aren’t extremists or fanatics, nor do they have some secret agenda. We are just regular people who want the Church we had prior to the 1960’s back, when there was reverance, devotion, beauty, and Catholics weren’t afraid to say “My church is the one true church founded by Jesus Christ”.
 
The so-called Tridentime (sic) Mass was handed down from Jesus himself, through the person of his Vicar on earth. Just so you’re aware.

Actually, the Liturgy of St. James was dictated by Our Lord Himself to St. James, first Bishop of Jerusalem, the Mother of Churches.
 
To Seamus L,
As a lover of the novus ordo, thank you for describing my Church so well.
Deacon Ed B
 
rien said:
You got it. I find it funny how some traditionalists are posting on the OD thread that Opus dei is a cult. Well, in many ways extreme traditionalists are too - they have the “true” faith or “true” knowledge. Everyone else does not get it less they attend a TLM. It smacks of a form of Gnosticism to me. At times and in certain cases.
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The truly fantastic qualities of the TLM are so obvious that it can’t even approach being called gnosticism.
 
estesbob said:
I swear that is the impression I get from many when browsing these Forums. One would think that the Tridentime Mass was handed down from Jesus himself as he ascended to Heaven.
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We just don’t believe that most of the reverence should be thrown out to appease non Catholics. “If it’s not broke, don’t fix it.” Changing the Mass to resemble a Protestant service was not a wise decision, just look at all the abuses that have started since then.
 
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