Did church fathers Ignatius, polycarp, ignatius speak of trinitarian baptism?

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2 Corinthians 11
1Would to God ye could bear with me a little in my folly: and indeed bear with me.

2For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.

3But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

4For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

5For I suppose I was not a whit behind the very chiefest apostles.

6But though I be rude in speech, yet not in knowledge; but we have been throughly made manifest among you in all things.

7Have I committed an offence in abasing myself that ye might be exalted, because I have preached to you the gospel of God freely?

8I robbed other churches, taking wages of them, to do you service.

9And when I was present with you, and wanted, I was chargeable to no man: for that which was lacking to me the brethren which came from Macedonia supplied: and in all things I have kept myself from being burdensome unto you, and so will I keep myself.

10As the truth of Christ is in me, no man shall stop me of this boasting in the regions of Achaia.

11Wherefore? because I love you not? God knoweth.

12But what I do, that I will do, that I may cut off occasion from them which desire occasion; that wherein they glory, they may be found even as we.

13For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.

14And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

15Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

16I say again, let no man think me a fool; if otherwise, yet as a fool receive me, that I may boast myself a little.

17That which I speak, I speak it not after the Lord, but as it were foolishly, in this confidence of boasting.

18Seeing that many glory after the flesh, I will glory also.

19For ye suffer fools gladly, seeing ye yourselves are wise.

20For ye suffer, if a man bring you into bondage, if a man devour you, if a man take of you, if a man exalt himself, if a man smite you on the face.

21I speak as concerning reproach, as though we had been weak. Howbeit whereinsoever any is bold, (I speak foolishly,) I am bold also.

22Are they Hebrews? so am I. Are they Israelites? so am I. Are they the seed of Abraham? so am I.

23Are they ministers of Christ? (I speak as a fool) I am more; in labours more abundant, in stripes above measure, in prisons more frequent, in deaths oft.

24Of the Jews five times received I forty stripes save one.

25Thrice was I beaten with rods, once was I stoned, thrice I suffered shipwreck, a night and a day I have been in the deep;

26In journeyings often, in perils of waters, in perils of robbers, in perils by mine own countrymen, in perils by the heathen, in perils in the city, in perils in the wilderness, in perils in the sea, in perils among false brethren;

27In weariness and painfulness, in watchings often, in hunger and thirst, in fastings often, in cold and nakedness.

28Beside those things that are without, that which cometh upon me daily, the care of all the churches.

29Who is weak, and I am not weak? who is offended, and I burn not?

**30If I must needs glory, I will glory of the things which concern mine infirmities. **

31The God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which is blessed for evermore, knoweth that I lie not.

32In Damascus the governor under Aretas the king kept the city of the damascenes with a garrison, desirous to apprehend me:

33And through a window in a basket was I let down by the wall, and escaped his hands.
 
newadvent.org/fathers/index.html

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Ignatius of Antioch [SAINT]
  • Epistle to the Ephesians
  • Epistle to the Magnesians
  • Epistle to the Trallians
  • Epistle to the Romans
  • Epistle to the Philadelphians
  • Epistle to the Smyrnæans
  • Epistle to Polycarp
  • The Martyrdom of Ignatius
 
Oneness scholars differ in their views on church history. Some church historians, such as Dr. C.D. Ward, Marvin Arnold, and William Chalfant, hold to a Successionist view, arguing that their movement has existed in every generation from the original day of Pentecost to the present day.[49][50][51] Ward has proposed a theory of an unbroken Apostolic Pentecostal Church lineage, claiming to have chronologically traced its perpetuity throughout the church’s history.[52]
Others hold to a Restorationist view, believing that while the Apostles and their church clearly taught Oneness doctrine, the Apostolic church went into apostasy and ultimately evolved into the Catholic Church. For them, the contemporary Oneness Pentecostal movement came into existence in the early 20th century, during the latter days of the Azusa Street Revival. Restorationists such as David K. Bernard deny any direct link from the Apostolic church to the current Oneness movement, believing that modern Pentecostalism is a total restoration originating from a step-by-step separation within Protestantism, culminating in the final restoration of the early Apostolic Church.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oneness_Pentecostalism

“Apolostolic” Historians try to have it both ways, some will say Ignatius was part of their church others will claim he was not.

The claim that Clement, Ignatius and Polycarp were Oneness and not Trinitairans comes from a book called Ancient Champions of Oneness by William Chalfant Th.D. on pages 116-118. So, he can not honestly make the claim that All Apolostolic Historians claims… anything really.

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I am curious did he ever answer,

You claim the true church was hiding in the wilderness, and by your logic the apostate church was maintaining the biblical manuscripts — how can you trust the biblical manuscripts?

Unless, I am mistaken there are only a few manuscripts of new testament that predates Council of Nicea right?

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Author Date Written Earliest Copy Time Span Copies (extent)

Secular Manuscripts:
Herodotus (History) 480 - 425 BC 900 AD 1,300 years 8
Thucydides (History) 460 - 400 BC 900 AD 1,300 years ?
Aristotle (Philosopher) 384 - 322 BC 1,100 AD 1,400 years 5
Caesar (History) 100 - 44 BC 900 AD 1,000 years 10
Pliny (History) 61 - 113 AD 850 AD 750 years 7
Suetonius (Roman History) 70 - 140 AD 950 AD 800 years ?
Tacitus (Greek History) 100 AD 1,100 AD 1,000 years 20

Biblical Manuscripts: (note: these are individual manuscripts)
Magdalene Ms (Matthew 26) 1st century 50-60 AD co-existant (?)
John Rylands (John) 90 AD 130 AD 40 years
Bodmer Papyrus II (John) 90 AD 150-200 AD 60-110 years
Chester Beatty Papyri (N.T.) 1st century 200 AD 150 years
Diatessaron by Tatian (Gospels) 1st century 200 AD 150 years
Codex Vaticanus (Bible) 1st century 325-350 AD 275-300 years
Codex Sinaiticus (Bible) 1st century 350 AD 300 years
Codex Alexandrinus (Bible) 1st century 400 AD 350 years
(Total New Testament manuscripts = 5,300 Greek MSS, 10,000 Latin Vulgates, 9,300 others = 24,000 copies)
(Total MSS compiled prior to 600 AD = 230)
debate.org.uk/topics/history/bib-qur/bibmanu.htm
 
We’ve just finished an introduction to Patristics given by one of our newer priests. Read Augustine’s De Trinitate(it’s available in English, of course) for information on this subject. Father Gallagher also mentioned that the Didache was written between 40-90 AD.
 
Forgive me for pointing out what should be obvious, but this man who writes to you is not as educated as he pretends. The fathers he seems to reject are the ANTE NICENE fathers, as in post Nicene council, not the ANTI NICENE fathers as in opposed to the Nicene council.
Actually, “ante” means “pre-” or “before”, as in antebellum or antediluvian!
 
Please help me with that question. I need quotes from the chruch fathers indicating trinitarian baptism and not oneness baptism!!!
Also, Jesus said to baptize in the trinitarian formula “Baptize them in the name of The Father, and the name of The Son, and the name of the Holy Spitit”.
 
Also, Jesus said to baptize in the trinitarian formula “Baptize them in the name of The Father, and the name of The Son, and the name of the Holy Spitit”.
Oh I know Ignatius. Somehow these Oneness people twist that scripture. :mad:
 
Actually, “ante” means “pre-” or “before”, as in antebellum or antediluvian!
Right! Oh that is what I was trying to say and I said it wrong. The ante Nicene were before the Nicene Council.

Thank you!!!
 
2 Peter 3:16
As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
 
Ignatius of Antioch
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Shamelessly stolen from my competition over at A Catholic iPod:

The words of the Bishop of Antioch, The Saint Ignatius Series narrated by Joe McClane of The Catholic Hack Podcast. Download all seven epistles. Donations here, are not required but appreciated to be used to produce CDs for mass distribution.
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THE EPISTLE OF IGNATIUS TO THE PHILADELPHIANS

THE EPISTLE OF IGNATIUS TO THE ROMANS

THE EPISTLE OF IGNATIUS TO THE TRALLIANS

THE EPISTLE OF IGNATIUS TO THE MAGNESIANS

THE EPISTLE OF IGNATIUS TO THE EPHESIANS

THE EPISTLE OF IGNATIUS TO POLYCARP

THE EPISTLE OF IGNATIUS TO THE SMYRAEANS

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