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agent_grey
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I believe that the Jews and the catholic/Orthodox are the same people. Its just that the Catholics/Orthodox have parents that are worthy of honor.
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TEPO
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Aah, I see your point.
So when God expanded the covenant, by refining the truth and offering it to the gentiles, Jesus was upset with the Jewish leaders because they would not accept Gods gifts.
So God did not break his covenant with the Jews, rather some Jews were unable to shed their pride and refused to be “refined”.
I’m not anti-semetic by the way, I kind of think of myself as a descendant of one of the lost 10 tribes, but who knows…
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TEPO
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I think I have to agree with that.
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Reservoir_Dog
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What is he saying? Something about my parents not being worthy of something??
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TEPO
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You know, I was’nt exactly sure which is why I wrote I “think” I have to agree… I’m giving him the benefit of the doubt…
I’m still hoping that he meant specifically those who violently rejected Jesus in the first century, and nobody else.
I will give him credit for admitting his brotherhood with the Jews though.
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CEM5
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just like to bring to remembrance that the New Testament teaches that through baptism, we become the adopted sons and daughters of God - heirs to the promises made by God. There is no longer any distinction of “Jew”, “Gentile” or whatnot: We are all brothers and sisters (children) sharing in the inheritance of God’s kingdom.
Galatians 4:5 RSVA
to redeem those who were under the law, so that we might receive adoption as sons.
Galatians 3:29 RSVA
And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s offspring, heirs according to promise.
Ephesians 3:6 RSVA
that is, how the Gentiles are fellow heirs, members of the same body, and partakers of the promise in Christ Jesus through the gospel.
Titus 3:7 RSVA
so that we might be justified by his grace and become heirs in hope of eternal life.
God bless,
Galatians 4:5 RSVA
to redeem those who were under the law, so that we might receive adoption as sons.
Galatians 3:29 RSVA
And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s offspring, heirs according to promise.
Ephesians 3:6 RSVA
that is, how the Gentiles are fellow heirs, members of the same body, and partakers of the promise in Christ Jesus through the gospel.
Titus 3:7 RSVA
so that we might be justified by his grace and become heirs in hope of eternal life.
God bless,
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johnthebaptist1
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I belive,that god did not abandon,his people , or he wounldn,t have sent
his only son too save us. God well,always, care for his childern. When Jesus was here
on earth,he came too teach us,in words,from his father who sent him,how ,we should
conduct our selfs,and what pleases his father.If we wish too return too Gods Kingdom.
Those that fo well have nothing to fear, for Jesus we be with us
his only son too save us. God well,always, care for his childern. When Jesus was here
on earth,he came too teach us,in words,from his father who sent him,how ,we should
conduct our selfs,and what pleases his father.If we wish too return too Gods Kingdom.
Those that fo well have nothing to fear, for Jesus we be with us
GOD BLESS US ALL
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Modelsim
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Another sign that the covenant has been fulfilled is the lack of signs of the old covenant.
No Jewish person can directly trace their lineage to the tribes of Israel.
There is no High Priest.
There is no Temple.
I would look up the passages for you regarding these visible signs of the covenant, but I do not have the time.
No Jewish person can directly trace their lineage to the tribes of Israel.
There is no High Priest.
There is no Temple.
I would look up the passages for you regarding these visible signs of the covenant, but I do not have the time.
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chosen_people
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Oh you mean like whether we are a Cohen or a Levi? Of course we can. After the first Temple was destroyed and we went into exile, do you think that Jews and Judaism and the eternal covenant between God and the Jewish people ceased to exist? See the Book of Esther. Claims by Christians, such as that all sin was redeemed only through Temple blood sacrifice, are Christian claims about Jews and Judaism, but which have no basis in Judaism and have never had a basis in Judaism.
As for God abandoning the Jews if I may be permitted to reprint something I wrote a few years ago:
The ancient Romans could not fathom how, if the God of the Jews was the one almighty God, the Jews had fallen under Rome’s power.
The Roman Empire has long since crumbled to dust. All the other nations and peoples of the Roman empire are no more. Only the Jews remain. It is seemingly impossible that they of all the world’s ancient peoples have survived, but they have. Even more remarkable, that they have survived despite the animosity against them, through centuries of adversity aimed to make them victims for their stubborn insistence to continue to remain being Jews.
The Jews had only themselves and their eternal covenant with God. The Jews survived.
They are no longer a vassal state but have regained sovereignty over their homeland. This too is a seeming impossibility. They regained their independence a mere three years after one third of the Jewish people were destroyed in the genocide of the Shoah. They regained their independence despite being immediately attacked by the armies of five nations. In both cases the world stood by and watched. When Hitler rose to power the world shut their borders to the Jews leaving the Jews to his murderous wrath. During World war II not one country could spare one bomb on even one mission to put Auschwitz out of commission for even a single day. When the Jewish state was attacked not one country sent one soldier to help the survivors of Auschwitz. Instead they imposed arms embargoes to prevent the Jews from defending themselves.
The Jews had only themselves and their eternal covenant with God.The Jewish nation was not extinguished forever in the ashes of the Shoah, the Jews won their war of re independence.
That the Jewish state survives today is also a seeming impossibility. It sits on a mere one per cent of the land of the middle east, in an area roughly the size of the state of New Jersey, surrounded by a billion enemies. It could not possibly survive but it does. Despite its precarious position it is seemingly so strong as to be deemed an “aggressor” by those who wish it ill.
The Jews make up a mere two tenths of one per cent of the world’s population. The have only been allowed to integrate within general western society in the last two hundred years. So small in numbers it is a seeming impossibility that Jews should be even seen or felt. However, despite their minuscule numbers their contributions to society are so vast that their enemies accuse them of “controlling the world”.
The ancient Romans could not fathom the God of the Jews. Today, their descendants cannot look at the Jew and not believe in God.
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trdchubi
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No way will God abandon the Jews. God is faithful and true to his word. He has made his covenants, to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob passed and is looking forward in fulfilling the rest.
If God ever changes his mind, then what assurance do we have when one day He says “I’m tired of your stubbornness, let’s call it quits. Get away from my site”.
If God were to change minds based on the actions of the Jews, then he wouldn’t be God, period.
If God ever changes his mind, then what assurance do we have when one day He says “I’m tired of your stubbornness, let’s call it quits. Get away from my site”.
If God were to change minds based on the actions of the Jews, then he wouldn’t be God, period.
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Hunter53
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Before you shout out Catholics for israel you need to read Plot Against the Church by Maurice Pinay.
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StTommyMore
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It is like this. Israel is the eldest son among nations. It is Israel that has the birthright. Now this is no means implies superiority, because the eldest sons in Genesis don’t exactly have a good track record. Cain was the older brother of Abel. Esau was the older brother of Jacob. In fact in the long history of eldest sons in the Genesis, only Shem and Abram live up to their calling. What does it mean that Israel is the eldest son among nations? Israel is through whom the nations will be blessed, and Israel is to serve his brothers by leading them into the fullness of salvation. However a problem arose. Before the exile, into Babylon, Isaiah, Jeremiah, and Ezekiel warned Israel of the exile, but also spoke of a New Covenant that would be superior to the Mosaic and Davidic Covenants. The New Covenant could not be broken. Even more, the New Covenant would be written on men’s hearts! In other words, the New Covenant would be able to transform the lives of those who would enter into a covenant relationship with God. What is more is the Mosaic Covenant was not destroyed, but restored to its original pristine form. The form that it had before the Golden Calf incident. Did God abandon Israel? No. He fulfilled His Covenant promises through Jesus Christ, and elevated the Mosaic Covenant to its perfected form.
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trdchubi
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People have pointed out that the maurice pinay is operated by heretical Catholics clergies who don’t accept the Magisterium’s teaching on Judaism. Heard of replacement theology or supersession theology. Maurice pinay is also opposed to Vatican 2.
The point here is not about what men says. The point here is what kind of God you and I serve. If you believe God rejected the Jews, then this God is a liar, a covenant breaker. What assurance do we have that he will keep his words? What are our chances of salvation when he simply changes His mind and supersedes the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross with something else? That will be chaos.
Those “naughty naughty” Jews exist. We cant deny the fact that they exist, but I’m not even looking at them. Heard of Hebrew Catholics, Jews for Jesus, Messianic Jews, Jewish Christians?
My hopes are high because I serve a God who keeps His promise.
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PJM
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LUKE 19: 37-46 :As he was now drawing near, at the descent of the Mount of Olives, the whole multitude of the disciples began to rejoice and praise God with a loud voice for all the mighty works that they had seen, saying, “Blessed is the King who comes in the name of the Lord! Peace in heaven and glory in the highest!” And some of the Pharisees in the multitude said to him, “Teacher, rebuke your disciples.” He answered, “I tell you, if these were silent, the very stones would cry out.” And when he drew near and saw the city [Jerusalem ] he wept over it, [42] saying, “Would that even today you knew the things that make for peace! But now they are hid from your eyes. For the days shall come upon you, when your enemies will cast up a bank about you and surround you, and hem you in on every side, and dash you to the ground, you and your children within you, and they will not leave one stone upon another in you;*** because you did not know the time of your visitation.” *** [YI: The city was sacked and completely destroyed in 70 AD by the Romans which fulfilled thos Prophsey by jesus.] And he entered the temple and began to drive out those who sold,
saying to them, “It is written, `My house shall be a house of prayer’; but you have made it a den of robbers.”
Rather than accepting Jesus as Messiah, they plotted His murder, and then prosecuted His Church!
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Hunter53
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Heretical Catholic Clergy? Most of His book is about quotes from our Popes. Maybe you should read the book.
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PJM
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***My dear friend in Christ,
While I get your point, I hasten to point out that it would be very easy for one to mistake your message.
The UNQUALIFIED message that “His leaders did not recogonize Him”
Friend, HIS ]CATHOLIC] LEADERS WERE Martyrs THEY DIED FOR BELIEF* OF HIM.**
I suspect what you intened to speak to were the oposition Jewish rligious leaders?
Love and prayers,
Pat
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PJM
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My dear friend in Christ,
YOU’RE KIDDING I HOPE:shrug:
HOW CAN ONE POST SUCH NONSENSE:shrug:
AND HOW CAN ANY CHRISTIAN HOLD TO SUCH A VIEW?
There are nealy as many haters of the Jews as there are of us Catholics:blush:
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PJM
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Friend, are we to understand that simply because it appwars in print; it’s gotta be true.
Have you ever read AWAKE magazine by our Mormon friends?
And what about spreading Christian charity instead…
Love and prayers, Pat
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Hunter53
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So I guess this means that you doubt the truthfulness of the Protocols? Good luck with that one.
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StTommyMore
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No reasonable person would hold those views.
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