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tonyrey
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I would disagree and nothing actually suggests this in the bible to my knowledge. The natural essence of material things is that they break down, if a things make of material isn’t to break down it would be supernatural. This is what many in the Church, and correctly so, say was given to Adam and Eve at their creation but then they lost it due to original sin.
I would again disagree, I agree with the thomistic understanding that says God created the world to work towards an end. God didn’t create a world that was perfect in the beginning rather when all things are brought into their final end, who is God, this is when the cosmos will be perfect. So God’s original design of the universe include entropy, and things like hurricanes tornadoes, earthquakes, and tsunamis are a natural part of the cosmos, not something that is fallen.
I’ve tried to do this, but I think it is an incorrect understanding to say that God created the cosmos in a way then our fall cause it to have a radical change. I rather think that God created the world with rational seeds (a word Augustine uses c.f. De Genesi 1.10.21; cf. 4.26.43, Ibid., 5.23.45. De Trinitate 3.9.16. Ibid., 3.8.13. I’m taking this from footnotes from lecture notes I have in a class so they may not all exactly speak to it but this is contextual support my teacher used to talk about rational seeds, I rather not quote all of that stuff to much to quote.)
the main issue that I’m having is that causality is misunderstood modern society. I say both because causality refers to God in the primary sense, meaning that he is the prime cause of the universe and sustains all things in the universe, and secondary causality which applies to creatures and things in the cosmos, that God does not necessarily take part in (you could maybe say doesn’t take part in at all). When you say that God caused a natural disaster you are not being clear enough in your question. Even a question like did God will this to happen, did is God the direct cause, is God sending this Typhoon to the Philippines, is all coming from a modern understanding of causality and not a augustinian or thomistic view point of causality.
**(added after edit) **The same problem rises in the issue of original sin and natural disaster, but other issue still apply, God must create the cosmos as he intends to and not have to intervene after the fact. Natural science sees no evidence of a substantial change of the nature of the cosmos sometime in the distant pass. AKA the laws of nature have been unchanged since the big bang. If we are going to claim that original sin changes the nature of the cosmos which will cause natural disasters to happen than you are claiming something that is not found in natural science. Can you claim it sure the Church doesn’t speak definitively on these matters, but hopefully as someone who respects the truth of the world and the truth that natural science show us we won’t let our interpretations of faith corrupt science or visa versa. I can’t remember who said it but I think the phrase is appropriate here. Science removes superstition from theology, theology removes idolatry from science (I think that is how it goes.) (sorry for the long edit).
CCC 385 God is infinitely good and all his works are good. Yet no one can escape the experience of suffering or the evils in nature which seem to be linked to the limitations proper to creatures: and above all to the question of moral evil.