Did God Create Evil

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The question is this: did God create evil? In the creed each Sunday, we proclaim that “We believe in one God, the Father, the Almighty, maker of heaven and earth, of all that is seen and unseen.” If God is the creator of all things seen and unseen and if evil exists and it can both be seen through the actions of people or unseen, does it follow that God created evil?
 
Who is to say that free will does not apply to angels? Many theolgians believe it was pride that made Lucifer revolt against the kingdom. You cannot love someone without freewill. Otherwise you are a slave of obligation.
 
Evil like vaccum, cold and darkness is not a thing but the absence of another thing. Evil is the lack of love and goodness, in short the absence of God. When the devil decided he no longer needed his creator is when evil was made. (by removing God)
 
Obviously the angels had free will at one time. That’s how Satan fell. How they existed before this free will is a mystery at this point. But we know that Lucifer had a choice and ulitmately chose himself over God. Lucifer became Satan. This rupture created evil. It is my belief that evil was the byproduct of the rupture of Satan falling. Prior to this, evil did not exist. Therefore evil could be construed as an effect of free will.

I wrote a short essay on this, but it’s not theoligically proven or anything. It’s just a relfection I had one day on the “creation” of evil.
 
Evil is not a “thing”. It does not have being, and it does not “exist”. Evil is a privation of something that should be present but is not. This is the point that tugbaby was trying to make. We might speak of evil existing, but this is only a loose manner of speaking. A privation is rather something else not existing that should exist, so evil is the absence of something.

This is an absolutely critical point. It was made brilliantly by St. Augustine and has been a cornerstone of Catholic philosophy ever since.

While a privation cannot be made, it can at least be caused, so there is still a sense in which it is worth asking, did God cause evil? To answer this, we must first make a distinction between moral evil, which God never causes, and physical evil, which God does cause. For God to will or cause moral evil would be a direct contradition of His Nature. It would be saying that something always right does some things wrong. It doesn’t even make logical sense that such a thing would be possible. If God exists, He cannot will or cause evil, just as a circle cannot be square.

Physical evil is a kind of privation, but is not directly opposed to goodness itself. An example of physical evil is the lion killing the zebra. Does something “bad” happen when the zebra dies? Sort of, but not really. Did the lion do something wrong? No. Yet, it is still considered a physical evil because a zebra is meant to exist as a whole, and it is not good for the zebra to be ripped apart–it is down right bad for the zebra.

Moral evil is the result of man’s or the angels’ free will (yes angels have free will). We have the ability to chose a lesser good rather than a greater good which we are supposed to chose. Sin is not directly choosing something bad, but it is choosing a lesser good when there is another greater good that should have been chosen.
 
How could good exist without evil? When you say “I had a bad day”, it implies you know what a good day is, otherwise you are just talking nonsense. Likewise, how could God and Lucifer have been “good” before the fall, if evil did not exist?
 
**Well here’s some speculation-I think not too far out of the box:

God doesn’t create evil. But because anything created is less than perfect by virtue of being less than-or inferior to- its Creator, I think it could be said that creation is deprived of God-but only in the sense of not being God. And that only man or angels can actually make the determination for themselves if that deprivation or imperfection is something they will accept (not accepting it means they want to be God, themselves) or if it will become an issue for them (becoming an issue means to make the decision to reject acceptance of their imperfection or limitations- considering themselves perfectly complete without Him). And God allowed this to be the cause of their death because man, being deprived of being God, is not self-sustaining or independent as he preferred to think-and as he opted to act. And God has given man the opportunity to learn of the imperfection -or lack -of the wisdom intrinsic to that act so he can make the right choice after all-the choice for God which is the choice for life.**
 
Good existed without evil before man, so perhaps you can’t see it any other way. And perhaps if we did exist before evil occurred, maybe “good” didn’t have a name, and then evil shows up and to distinguish the two, the word “good” had to be created.

I love thinking philosophically… at least I think that’s what I’m doing! 😊
 
How could good exist without evil? When you say “I had a bad day”, it implies you know what a good day is, otherwise you are just talking nonsense. Likewise, how could God and Lucifer have been “good” before the fall, if evil did not exist?
Evil presupposes a concept of good, so you are correct on that point. However, good does not presuppose a concept of evil.
 
Evil presupposes a concept of good, so you are correct on that point. However, good does not presuppose a concept of evil.
Why not?

In Isaiah God claims to be the creator of both good and evil. In the Torah, God lays out the potential for blessing and curses. I don’t believe the ancient Jews believed that God was “good” in a legalistic sense. Indeed, the Kabbalistic understanding of God isn’t that different from Taoism, since the potential for good and evil is found within the Infinite.
 
I cannot comment on the Kabbalah, it is too far outside of my area of study. As far as the Torah and the whole Old Testament as concerned, I would argue that there is absolutely no notion of God as evil. Even from the every beginning with the account of creation, there is a very strong emphasis placed on the fact that everything God made was good, also, surely there is no notion that God’s power is lacking.

Looking at the meaning of good it self, we find that ultimately good simply means that which is desirable. Unfortunately the connection between goodness and desirability isn’t much refelcted upon, but nevertheless, it is the implicit understanding that the ancient (western) philosophers had as well as the Catholic scholastics (and the Catholic Church today).

God, not lacking any perfection, is perfectly desirable. This is why being the Good is one of God’s proper attributes in the Christian philosophical tradition.
 
How could good exist without evil? When you say “I had a bad day”, it implies you know what a good day is, otherwise you are just talking nonsense. Likewise, how could God and Lucifer have been “good” before the fall, if evil did not exist?
Katholish, in Post # 7, explained it quite nicely.

God = Good.

Absence of God = Bad, or, if God is too far removed, Evil. (Here we are using the language tools we are all left with to the best of our abilities, but, these tools lack the precision to explain it any more precisely than Katholish did. IMHO.)

To say, “I had a bad day,” is not a reference to “evil”, or even to “bad” as that which is closer to God than is Evil. Rather, it is saying, “My day was not very pleasing to me.”

jd
 
God created everything. Evil is the misuse of something good created by God .

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The question is this: did God create evil? In the creed each Sunday, we proclaim that “We believe in one God, the Father, the Almighty, maker of heaven and earth, of all that is seen and unseen.” If God is the creator of all things seen and unseen and if evil exists and it can both be seen through the actions of people or unseen, does it follow that God created evil?

Evil is not a thing - it’s an absence, or else a distortion in real beings - but it’s not a thing in itself. Milk is a real thing - so is sour milk. But no such thing as “a sour” exists. Evil is like that - or would be, if were a real thing 🙂

 

Evil is not a thing - it’s an absence, or else a distortion in real beings - but it’s not a thing in itself. Milk is a real thing - so is sour milk. But no such thing as “a sour” exists. Evil is like that - or would be, if were a real thing 🙂

Not exactly. Being sour is a real quality of a thing, and hence it has accidental existence even if it does not have substantial existence. Evil isn’t even an accident, it is nothing.
 
. Evil isn’t even an accident, it is nothing.
I have to disagree with you. Evil ia very tangable. We like to dismiss evil and sin and the Devil and pretend that they don’t exsist. Evil is the misuse of something good that God has created. There is nothing that God did not create…

Catechumen
 
Everything God has created is inherently good. Since evil is not good, it cannot have been “created” by God.

Seems pretty simple to me.
 
I have to disagree with you. Evil ia very tangable. We like to dismiss evil and sin and the Devil and pretend that they don’t exsist. Evil is the misuse of something good that God has created. There is nothing that God did not create…

Catechumen
Either evil “exists” which means that it has being, which ultimately means that God made it, or evil does not “exist” which means that it is the “lack of a something” which means it is fair to say that evil is nothing (or “no thing”).

Tangable means you can touch it. You cannot touch evil. It is not a thing.
 
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