You are correct when you say that everything created by God was/is GOOD. In the beginning God created everything angles , Heaven , Hell … The potential for evil coexists with all that God created. Evil is the deliberate misuse of Gods creation. I know this is hard to get ones head around… I will try and find my proof for this so I can explain it a little better.Everything God has created is inherently good. Since evil is not good, it cannot have been “created” by God.
Seems pretty simple to me.
Please don’t confuse “sin”, “evil” and “satan”. Evil and satan are very different from “sin”. Not all sin is per se evil. Most sins are minor and/or major “bads”, if you will, emanating from our own imperfections and inabilities. Sins are transgressions against, or, affronts to, God. If sin was evil then we would all be evil - even saints.I have to disagree with you. Evil ia very tangable. We like to dismiss evil and sin and the Devil and pretend that they don’t exsist. Evil is the misuse of something good that God has created. There is nothing that God did not create…
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An analogy I used to use was: I can swirl my hand in a tub of water. The faster I swirl it, the faster the water turns until a funnel-shaped vortex appears. On all sides of it is the water that I am swirling. In the middle of the whirlpool is nothing. I created the swirling of the water intentionally, but, only tacitly, that is, only permitted, the absence of water in the middle of the vortex.Either evil “exists” which means that it has being, which ultimately means that God made it, or evil does not “exist” which means that it is the “lack of a something” which means it is fair to say that evil is nothing (or “no thing”).
Tangable means you can touch it. You cannot touch evil. It is not a thing.
Actually one definition of sin is moral evil, sin or evil being any deviation, small or large, from Gods will. Sin doesn’t make us evil but is evidence of our tendency towards evil and away from the will of- and love for -God. This is why sin is totally excluded from heaven.Please don’t confuse “sin”, “evil” and “satan”. Evil and satan are very different from “sin”. Not all sin is per se evil. Most sins are minor and/or major “bads”, if you will, emanating from our own imperfections and inabilities. Sins are transgressions against, or, affronts to, God. If sin was evil then we would all be evil - even saints.
Evil truly is a vacuum outside of which God is present. When satan arrives in ones life, he tries to push God aside and away. The further he is able to push Him away, the greater the vacuum without God grows.
jd
I am not confusing them nor am I joining them .My point is we would all like to pretend that they do not exist. My friend sin is an evil. It is an affront to God. Satin was the first to manifest evil into existence. Then he tricked our first parents into sin. Man inherited the concupiscence of his current nature from this first sin.Please don’t confuse “sin”, “evil” and “satan”. Evil and Satan are very different from “sin”. Not all sin is per se evil. Most sins are minor and/or major “bads”, if you will, emanating from our own imperfections and inabilities. Sins are transgressions against, or, affronts to, God. If sin was evil then we would all be evil - even saints.
Evil truly is a vacuum outside of which God is present. When Satan arrives in ones life, he tries to push God aside and away. The further he is able to push Him away, the greater the vacuum without God grows.
jd
absolutelyActually one definition of sin is moral evil, sin or evil being any deviation, small or large, from Gods will. Sin doesn’t make us evil but is evidence of our tendency towards evil and away from the will of- and love for -God. This is why sin is totally excluded from heaven.
Very good postI think you may have hit it on the head already, but in fact evil is not a thing. It is a misuse of something inherently good. And God did not create evil, it was a byproduct of the fact that he gave free will to men and angels. Lucifer chose himself over God, making himself his own god, thats the nature of the fall, and what some theologians call the primary sin, that of hubris. But ‘evil’ as a notion was not created, and the definition for it is merely the absence of God. It would be like calling dark a thing. We only know that light is a thing with a tangible source. Darkness is merely the absence of light. If we didn’t know light, we would have no concept of darkness. But without darkness we would still have a concept of light because of the tangibility of a light source. The same applies to evil and good. Goodness can be inherent, and good actions can be done simply for the sake of doing good, but evil cannot be done for evils own sake. And all of this falls under the fact that we were created with the free will to choose. If God created us without the free will to choose good over evil, we would all be dragged kicking and screaming into heaven, and that isn’t love at all.
You are correct. But, there is a word that has “moral” as part of it except with an “a” on its front. Acts that are amoral can be sinful acts. A person ignorant of the fact that an act is sinful, commits the act. God knows what’s in his heart. For example, sex outside of marriage is still a sinful act, but, if his partner kills him a minute later will he go to Hell because of it?Actually one definition of sin is moral evil, sin or evil being any deviation, small or large, from Gods will. Sin doesn’t make us evil but is evidence of our tendency towards evil and away from the will of- and love for -God. This is why sin is totally excluded from heaven.
Even without free will there would be evil. Tornadoes, earthquakes, hurricanes would still cause suffering with human inflicted evil.God created free will. Evil was born out of that.
What reason do you have to assert that everything god created is inherently good? It’s a fun catholicky thing to say and it’s easy to say; however, if god created everything and every rule and evil exists then it must have been apart of his plan.Everything God has created is inherently good. Since evil is not good, it cannot have been “created” by God.
Seems pretty simple to me.
Do you read scripture?Everything God has created is inherently good. Since evil is not good, it cannot have been “created” by God.
Seems pretty simple to me.
Catholicky? Thats scriptural… Genesis 1:31 “God saw all that he had made, and it was very good.” Evil in its nature is the opposite of good, it is devoid of God. If you want to get technical, then yes God created evil. But only insofar as he created good things that were distorted. As I said previously, this distortion is the root of evil. We refer to this action as the fall of man, and also in Catholic doctrine as the fall of Satan and his angels. It was the combination of free will and human imperfection that led to evil in the world. It is the ultimate case of double effect. Please read my previous two posts and try to re-defend your stance.What reason do you have to assert that everything god created is inherently good? It’s a fun catholicky thing to say and it’s easy to say; however, if god created everything and every rule and evil exists then it must have been apart of his plan.
These human (name removed by moderator)erfections which you attribute as a primary cause for evil were apart of our design and of course the “fall of man” as described by the bible clearly did not even happen (at least not the adam and eve version of the event). The fact that the bible claims that “it was good” is only proof of the fact that the bible says what the bible says. God could have created a reality in which evil could not exist, but he opted not to. Perhaps he had good reasons not to, but ultimately he could have and didn’t.Catholicky? Thats scriptural… Genesis 1:31 “God saw all that he had made, and it was very good.” Evil in its nature is the opposite of good, it is devoid of God. If you want to get technical, then yes God created evil. But only insofar as he created good things that were distorted. As I said previously, this distortion is the root of evil. We refer to this action as the fall of man, and also in Catholic doctrine as the fall of Satan and his angels. It was the combination of free will and human imperfection that led to evil in the world. It is the ultimate case of double effect. Please read my previous two posts and try to re-defend your stance.
To ignore or add to the words of scripture is not allowed.Catholicky? Thats scriptural… Genesis 1:31 “God saw all that he had made, and it was very good.” Evil in its nature is the opposite of good, it is devoid of God. If you want to get technical, then yes God created evil. But only insofar as he created good things that were distorted. As I said previously, this distortion is the root of evil. We refer to this action as the fall of man, and also in Catholic doctrine as the fall of Satan and his angels. It was the combination of free will and human imperfection that led to evil in the world. It is the ultimate case of double effect. Please read my previous two posts and try to re-defend your stance.
Consider that if Eve did not eat of the tree of knowledge she would have remained as bright as a cow.These human (name removed by moderator)erfections which you attribute as a primary cause for evil were apart of our design and of course the “fall of man” as described by the bible clearly did not even happen (at least not the adam and eve version of the event). The fact that the bible claims that “it was good” is only proof of the fact that the bible says what the bible says. God could have created a reality in which evil could not exist, but he opted not to. Perhaps he had good reasons not to, but ultimately he could have and didn’t.
Now, if the OT is an accurate description, then clearly god himself was directly involved in some very horribly evil acts for which he should be ashamed.
I can say this for a fact, if this imaginary tree were ever actually found (wouldn’t be hard it’s the tree guarded by a cheribum and a flaming sword flashing back and forth) I would be first in line for some of that fruit.Consider that if Eve did not eat of the tree of knowledge she would have remained as bright as a cow.
It is the study of good and evil that develops our moral sense.
Who here would be silly enough to stop Eve from, not falling, but taking a glorious leap, and creating the history that we live in.
Without her acceptance to learn we would all be as dumb as cows.
Hurray for Eve. The mother of our moral sense.
Regards
DL
Wherever you are, just open your eyes and look almost anywhere, you will see part of the tree.I can say this for a fact, if this imaginary tree were ever actually found (wouldn’t be hard it’s the tree guarded by a cheribum and a flaming sword flashing back and forth) I would be first in line for some of that fruit.
If this request is made with the assumption that human evil is proof that our ancestors consumed magical fruit after having been convinced to do so by a talking snake; then I suggest that you are not entitled to an astute response.Wherever you are, just open your eyes and look almost anywhere, you will see part of the tree.
Come back if you see what I mean.
I invite all others to try the same little experiment. I expect only to hear back from the astute.
Regards
DL