Did I go to far?

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The sister in-law and her new boyfriend were going stay over this weekend as house guests. They have been dating only a few months and I have never met him. They are not married.

I was going to making them sleep in separate rooms.

I have three young daughters. I am trying to raise them in the faith and teach them modesty and chastity.

My wife and my sister in-law are upset and they have decided to stay somewhere else.

They have called me an “idiotic, inhospitable, judgmental, hypocrite”. Thats an exact quote. Ouch.

Since I started actually taking my faith seriously over that last few years I have grown increasingly unpopular.

Was I out of line here?

Thoughts?
 
The sister in-law and her new boyfriend were going stay over this weekend as house guests. They have been dating only a few months and I have never met him. They are not married.

I was going to making them sleep in separate rooms.

I have three young daughters. I am trying to raise them in the faith and teach them modesty and chastity.

My wife and my sister in-law are upset and they have decided to stay somewhere else.

They have called me an “idiotic, inhospitable, judgmental, hypocrite”. Thats an exact quote. Ouch.

Since I started actually taking my faith seriously over that last few years I have grown increasingly unpopular.

Was I out of line here?

Thoughts?
I would have done the same exact thing 🤷.

Remember to bare your crosses. If you become unpopular as a result of your faith, don’t let it dismay you or your faith, but embrace it.
 
You are none of those things. You were absolutely correct to insist that unmarried people sleep separately.

You need to have a serious conversation with your wife. She should not disrespect you in such a way, especially in front of others. You and she need to get on the same page for future instances when you will need to ensure your daughters receive good examples.

What is your wife thinking? Letting her sister sleep in the same room with a boyfriend? What sort of example is that for her daughters?
 
The sister in-law and her new boyfriend were going stay over this weekend as house guests. They have been dating only a few months and I have never met him. They are not married.

I was going to making them sleep in separate rooms.

I have three young daughters. I am trying to raise them in the faith and teach them modesty and chastity.

My wife and my sister in-law are upset and they have decided to stay somewhere else.

They have called me an “idiotic, inhospitable, judgmental, hypocrite”. Thats an exact quote. Ouch.

Since I started actually taking my faith seriously over that last few years I have grown increasingly unpopular.

Was I out of line here?

Thoughts?
Your family members are the judgemental ones. They should respect your faith. I suppose that if you had become a Muslim or a Jew your guests wouldn’t insist on eating pork in your house, but because you have become a Christian they think they are entitled to mock you.
You did the right thing. What matters is that your daughters will grow up and see a home where love and responsibility are practiced.
I wish my own dad was more like you while I grew up. I love him but he never cared to talk to me about boys, and he didn’t keep an eye on his girls nor explain anything to them or set limits the way he should while they were teenagers.

Besides… your sister is quite rude. She is a guest in your house, but will not accept having her own room and not sleeping with the boyfriend for some night. Thats unreasonable.

Stay strong.
 
My wife says that since her and I cohabitated and had coitus prior to marriage (we didnt come home to the Catholic church until two years into our marriage) we have no right to tell others not to do it.

The sister in-law is also Catholic, and she has a degree in Catholic apologetics/theology from a local Catholic University. The new boyfriend is a Protestant of some sort.

Considering that all involved parties are Catholic / Christian I was truly not expecting the backlash.
 
The sister in-law and her new boyfriend were going stay over this weekend as house guests. They have been dating only a few months and I have never met him. They are not married.

I was going to making them sleep in separate rooms.

I have three young daughters. I am trying to raise them in the faith and teach them modesty and chastity.

My wife and my sister in-law are upset and they have decided to stay somewhere else.

They have called me an “idiotic, inhospitable, judgmental, hypocrite”. Thats an exact quote. Ouch.

Since I started actually taking my faith seriously over that last few years I have grown increasingly unpopular.

Was I out of line here?

Thoughts?
Did you go too far? No. Your home, your rules. Did they go too far? Absolutely! The ones who called you those foul names owe you an apology, big time! Your sister in law and her lover always have the option of staying elsewhere; they NEVER have the option of degrading you for your values.
 
My wife says that since her and I cohabitated and had coitus prior to marriage (we didnt come home to the Catholic church until two years into our marriage) we have no right to tell others not to do it.
Your wife has it backwards. Now that you have discovered the truth of the faith, you have an obligation to share it with others and help them avoid sin. And, you have an obligation to refrain from helping others sin. From the Catechism:

1868 Sin is a personal act. Moreover, we have a responsibility for the sins committed by others when we cooperate in them:
  • by participating directly and voluntarily in them;
  • by ordering, advising, praising, or approving them;
  • by not disclosing or not hindering them when we have an obligation to do so;
  • by protecting evil-doers.
The sister in-law is also Catholic, and she has a degree in Catholic apologetics/theology from a local Catholic University. The new boyfriend is a Protestant of some sort.
So she knows what she is doing is wrong. Sounds like her anger may stem from a pricked conscience. GOOD.
Considering that all involved parties are Catholic / Christian I was truly not expecting the backlash.
No doubt.

Stay strong. Talk to your wife. Read the catechism. Read especially the letter of Paul to the Corinthians that we have been reading at Mass the last several weeks.

Is Church just what you do on Sunday? Or do you live virtue at all times?

You are headed in the right direction. Help your wife arrive at the same place.
 
My wife says that since her and I cohabitated and had coitus prior to marriage (we didnt come home to the Catholic church until two years into our marriage) we have no right to tell others not to do it.

The sister in-law is also Catholic, and she has a degree in Catholic apologetics/theology from a local Catholic University. The new boyfriend is a Protestant of some sort.

Considering that all involved parties are Catholic / Christian I was truly not expecting the backlash.
With respect to your wife, she is missing the point with her reasoning. You and she co-habited prior to embracing Mother Church. Now you are Catholics then you, she and sister-in-law are required to up-hold the faith and not just the bits they (or you) like. It’s not “pic ‘n’ mix”.😉

What you and your wife did before reception into the RCC is no excuse to repeat the sin after reception.

I think they are both allowing their social wants to get in front of God’s requirements from His faithful.

I feel sorry for the battering you got, but it is often not simple or easy doing the right thing.
 
It sounds like they found the solution. If they don’t want to respect your values, they went somewhere else where they can practice their own. Often, we need to do the right thing, and then choose to be at peace with the negative consequences. I admire you for standing up and being a strong man, especially when it comes to this issue. As a woman, I see too many men who are unwilling to stand up for their families - especially their daughters. I didn’t realize it until I became an adult how much influence a girl’s dad has over the choices she makes as an adult. If her dad treasures and protects her, she will treasure and protect herself, and only tolerate men who do the same.

I had the exact opposite problem when I was dating my husband. We were both staying overnight his sister’s house, and said we needed separate sleeping quarters. She gave us one room with 2 twin beds. My then boyfriend slept on the living room sofa, and we got negative comments that we were being too uppity.
 
In my opinion you did the right thing. When my boyfriend (now husband) and I stayed at my parent’s home when we were dating, I slept in the living room on the couch and my boyfriend slept on the couch in the den. We ran back and forth giggling the entire night, but we slept in different rooms. When we got married, my mother set us up in a spare room with a twin and an air mattress and said, “You can sleep on the air mattress, and you can sleep on the twin bed.” I looked at her and said, “Mom, we’re married now, we can both sleep on the air mattress!” She smiled and said, “Oh, yeah!”
 
The sister in-law and her new boyfriend were going stay over this weekend as house guests. They have been dating only a few months and I have never met him. They are not married.

I was going to making them sleep in separate rooms.

I have three young daughters. I am trying to raise them in the faith and teach them modesty and chastity.

My wife and my sister in-law are upset and they have decided to stay somewhere else.

They have called me an “idiotic, inhospitable, judgmental, hypocrite”. Thats an exact quote. Ouch.

Since I started actually taking my faith seriously over that last few years I have grown increasingly unpopular.

Was I out of line here?

Thoughts?
No you were not out of line at all.

It sounds as though you and your wife will need to have some more discussions on this matter - but later - after things have settled down.

Peace
James
 
No. You did not go too far. Unless you waited until after they arrived to make the rules clear. If you told them in advance, it was their choice to respect your decision or not visit at all.

In reality, the couple is probably happier they stayed in a hotel. If they are going to misbehave, they can make as much noise as they want in a hotel - they’ll never see the other people there again. Point this out to your wife, if she’s ever ready to have an adult conversation about it. And the two of you DO need to have some long talks about being united in thought, especially in front of your children. Kids are master psychologists, they will play the parents against each other if they see a crack in the wall.
 
My wife says that since her and I cohabitated and had coitus prior to marriage (we didnt come home to the Catholic church until two years into our marriage) we have no right to tell others not to do it.

The sister in-law is also Catholic, and she has a degree in Catholic apologetics/theology from a local Catholic University. The new boyfriend is a Protestant of some sort.

Considering that all involved parties are Catholic / Christian I was truly not expecting the backlash.
you have every right to tell others not to do it, inside or outside your house, it’s called admonishing sinners, and all Catholics are called to do it, although with charity and gentleness, and it is not disrespectful or judgmental at all, the command to love our neighbor as Christ loved us means admonish and set a good example for them and to even put their lives before our own, the love of Christ to us was chiefly directed to the salvation of our souls, all he did and said, and suffered, was intended principally for that end, and we should strive to have the same love for our neighbor, and as Christ loved us to that degree, as to lay down his life for the good of our souls, then, as we are told “we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren;” (1 John 3: 16).
namely, when the good of their souls require it.
and if we ought to lay down our lives for the good of our neighbor’s soul, then how much more are we to admonish and correct them, in charity, when we see them in danger of hurting their soul(or risking the souls of others).

but as for what your wife said, someone who is not repentant of a sin really has no right to tell someone else not to do it, but you and your wife have left your old lives and entered into a new one within the Catholic church, so although you did not repent from those sins before marriage, it makes no difference, you have repented in your hearts and minds, that is what makes the difference,
but even someone who is trying to overcome a sin has the right and duty to admonish others of it, it would make no sense if we could never speak to someone of a sin we commit, since we are all sinners to one degree or another, we all have a degree or type of pride, but if we could not speak on it because we commit it, then sin would never be spoken of!
but that is referring to those who are trying to overcome their sins, not those who willingly and purposely commit them without shame…

and you also, as you said, have children to guide and to guard, it is yours and your wife’s duty to protect the morals of your children, and to allow your sister in-law and her boyfriend to enter your house and sleep in the same room together, would have been scandalous to your children, and likely have a bad influence on them, which the responsibility of would fall on you and your wife…it really doesn’t matter what kind of life you and your wife lived, what matters is right now you know Christs teachings and you must pass those teachings onto your children, you have to learn from your own mistakes, your children can learn from theirs, but there’s no sense in letting them experience what you did, your past is there to learn from, not to be sympathetic towards others for…we learn from our sins to become better and overcome them, *not *to be more accepting of them.

as a husband, you also have the duty to admonish your wife(the same duty she has to you), in charity, of her erroneous ideas with all this,
but be patient, as i said, with gentleness, you won’t get through to her by trying to push her along to quickly…it may even be a good idea for you both to speak with a priest together every so often.
but if you need to brush up on why co-habitation is wrong before you speak with your wife on it, here are some things that may help -
gaiaonline.com/guilds/viewtopic.php?t=17452629
audiosancto.org/sermon/20060806-Occasions-of-Sin-and-Company-Keeping.html
audiosancto.org/categories/marriage-and-family.php

hope this helps, take care
 
Yes. But not because you didn’t want them to share a room. You messed up by not talking to your wife and coming to an agreement before confronting her sister. I’ve always believed (and read many times on here) that each spouse needs to deal with their own family. It seems that you guys didn’t follow that rule. If it had been your own sister it would have been a different story.

You and your wife need to talk and get on the same page now. If she says they can share a room and you say no then you need to find a way to work together to break the stalemate.

If the agreement that you come to is that they don’t share a room then she needs to be the one to tell her sister, not you. And it needs to be made clear to your SIL that you are not insulting her relationship, intelligence, or trying to treat her like a child.

When my fiance and I travel to see his family we get a hotel room because his family doesn’t want us sharing a room and pretending that we aren’t as serious as we are and that we don’t share a home is not a game we want to play. The hotel is more comfortable for everyone and ensures a pleasant and not awkward visit. They should consider getting one.
 
Everyone had very good responses, so I just wanted to write a quick response to add to the support. I think you were definitely right in what you did.

Perhaps, if I may humbly add, you could have discussed the issue with your wife beforehand if you suspected she may not agree with you (although maybe you didn’t realize they would attempt to do this beforehand).

With my wife and I, we don’t always agree, but because my rules are more stringent with regard to faith (we are not in the same points in our faith at the moment), we have agreed that our children will be taught to be faithful and devout Catholics while living under our roof.

In any case, keep up the good work. Offer any suffering you have to Christ, and trust in His wisdom and plan for you and your family.

God bless you!
 
I did tell my wife in advance. I initially told her when we first learned they were coming into town. She thought I was joking and it me several days to convince her that I was indeed serious. My wife did do the talking to her sister, I had no part in that aspect. I received the admonishment from my wife after she spoke with her sister and my wife told me her sister shares the same sentiments.

The sister in-law ended up staying at her parents house who live here in town. I just found out last night that my mother in-law (old school mexican Catholic lady) chewed out both my wife and my sister in-law, and forced them to sleep in separate rooms in her house. I had no idea that my mom in-law did this until late last night.

Anyways, this whole thing has led to a pretty serious argument between the wife and I, and unfortunately I acted rather uncharitably during the argument. I will be going to confession today. Please pray for me and my family.
 
I did tell my wife in advance. I initially told her when we first learned they were coming into town. She thought I was joking and it me several days to convince her that I was indeed serious. My wife did do the talking to her sister, I had no part in that aspect. I received the admonishment from my wife after she spoke with her sister and my wife told me her sister shares the same sentiments.

The sister in-law ended up staying at her parents house who live here in town. I just found out last night that my mother in-law (old school mexican Catholic lady) chewed out both my wife and my sister in-law, and forced them to sleep in separate rooms in her house. I had no idea that my mom in-law did this until late last night.

Anyways, this whole thing has led to a pretty serious argument between the wife and I, and unfortunately I acted rather uncharitably during the argument. I will be going to confession today. Please pray for me and my family.
Prayers forthcoming.

Going to confession is good but do not forget to also confess and apologize to your wife. Such can go a long way towards mending fences.

Interesting development with the SIL and MIL…

Peace
James
 
I did tell my wife in advance. I initially told her when we first learned they were coming into town. She thought I was joking and it me several days to convince her that I was indeed serious. My wife did do the talking to her sister, I had no part in that aspect. I received the admonishment from my wife after she spoke with her sister and my wife told me her sister shares the same sentiments.

The sister in-law ended up staying at her parents house who live here in town. I just found out last night that my mother in-law (old school mexican Catholic lady) chewed out both my wife and my sister in-law, and forced them to sleep in separate rooms in her house. I had no idea that my mom in-law did this until late last night.

Anyways, this whole thing has led to a pretty serious argument between the wife and I, and unfortunately I acted rather uncharitably during the argument. I will be going to confession today. Please pray for me and my family.
I’m glad your Mother-in-law backed you up. You are brave.
 
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