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LeavesInTheWind
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I am new to CAF
Why?
Why?
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Marie5890
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Oh ok…Welcome
We just have had some LDS members who have been banned for various reasons and then end up being deceitful and sign up again with a new screen name…I find myself very leary and weary of those who have done it in the past…
I personally am just tired of the less than honest behavior of those who have done this…
But since you are not one of them, welcome! It would be worth your time to read the forum rules and learn what is allowed and what is not…
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LeavesInTheWind
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Oh. I understand you being wary.
I did read the rules…did I approach violating one?
I was just now a bit blunt…
I did read the rules…did I approach violating one?
I was just now a bit blunt…
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Marie5890
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No. I just wanted to check is all rather then wait and wonder
Would love for you to give your (name removed by moderator)ut on the LDS church’s statement (or essay?) in the thread “LDS b.o.a.” in this forum as well…
I know what we former Mormons thinks of this. Would love some feedback on those who are Mormon and what they are thinking with the change in Mormon history.
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SteveVH
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I think the reason that this thread focuses on the LDS faith is because it is a thread specifically about Joseph Smith.
If you are interested in learning about the Catholic faith there are many threads, or you could start your own with a simple question, that focus on what Catholics believe. You might want to try some other forums other than the “Non-Catholic Religion” forum as well.
In any case, welcome to CAF.
I have a couple of questions, if you choose to respond. Do you believe that there are other gods of other worlds? Do you believe that you will become a god of your own world?
Thank you and God bless.
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TexanKnight
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I do not blame you. Hard to answer questions that have no good answers, so any excuse not to answer will work.iepuras I appreciate the coherent and informative reply
TexanKnight… didn’t I already cover this? I was curious about Catholic theology. I do not respond directly because I have little desire to engage in a full scale debate, my motivation is completely different…see above sentence. In your particular case I avoided responding because you are derisive, and appeal to pathos [The same fuzzy feelings, or not so fuzzy feelings you criticize against] (As far as I can determine from your other posts on this forum)
This is a false dichotomy. I have provided you with an alternative answer above.
TexanKnight didn’t you state in another thread that you were once LDS? Shouldn’t you, don’t you, know the answers to such questions from an LDS standpoint already? Attacking the LDS position does nothing to further my understanding of yours.
All of which is kinda besides the point of me originally posting in this thread.
I think i’m going to go back to lurking without posting for the time being.
I also understand why you were negative against me. You know I speak the truth, so instead of addressing it, you attack me. Thats ok. Most Mormons consider the truth derisive.
Anyway, I will continue to post the truth. I suspect you will continue to dodge and make excuses.
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twopekinguys
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I can see where you got that impression. Leaves’ posting style/responses is very similar to those you speak of.Oh ok…Welcome
We just have had some LDS members who have been banned for various reasons and then end up being deceitful and sign up again with a new screen name…I find myself very leary and weary of those who have done it in the past…
I personally am just tired of the less than honest behavior of those who have done this…
But since you are not one of them, welcome! It would be worth your time to read the forum rules and learn what is allowed and what is not…
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in_servitude
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The article you referenced there is very strange in the way that it takes very short snippets from the original source and threads together a story about a repentant Joseph Smith. I read through it a couple of times. But, I still do not see what I’m looking for here. I don’t see him own anything. I don’t see any kind of change - there is no “before-vs-after” expression of change.
The information that you’ve provided, however, is along the area of what I was looking for. But, I don’t see any kind of conversion taking place. It is also exceedingly strange that after Joseph Smith had seen the face of God, he still expresses his waywardness - even though it is a confession of being too humorous.
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twopekinguys
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Of this planet, but, what about all the others?
Mormons do believe in infinite regression of gods do they not?
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SteveVH
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See my post #25. I think he was being a little slippery on the “one God” issue for the same reason you do.
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twopekinguys
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Yeah, I think I got him nervous at post #15, and that was the only response he could come up with, without saying they do believe in infinite gods.
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PaulDupre1
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Yep, the Mormons will lie* about what they believe in order to “soften” it for your consumption. They want you to think that they believe what you expect them to believe, so that they can lure you into baptism, then the LDS culture and Sunday school and testimony meetings and bishop’s interviews and temple “worthiness” that try to shape your thinking and eventually control your thinking.Yeah, I think I got him nervous at post #15, and that was the only response he could come up with, without saying they do believe in infinite gods.
I know. Been there, done that.
Paul (formerly LDS, now happily Catholic)
- Even if it is a lie of omission, it is still a lie.
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LivingWaters7
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You will find that there are indeed some LDS that do not personally believe that God the Father progressed to Godhood, nor that there is an infinite regress of gods. They are of course entitled to their own personal beliefs, and may very well believe that God the Father has always been God, and/or that the Father is the “Head God” and there weren’t any other gods before Him. This is an easy way for them to avoid arguments about those controversial beliefs, since they don’t hold to them. The problem is that LDS theology clearly allows for the belief that the Father progressed to Godhood, and that the Father had a Father (and that other Gods elsewhere have done similar things). Such things can be found in various statements by LDS prophets, apostles, and other leaders, as well as in various LDS church publications (magazines, manuals, etc). Catholic theology cannot entertain such ideas at all. For us God has always been God, and there is only one God, who eternally exists as three distinct Persons.
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RebeccaJ
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LDS teaching adds a qualifier.
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twopekinguys
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twopekinguys
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Lying for the Lord,
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RebeccaJ
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That quote is attributed to Smith when 14 years old (not actually reported until much later in his life).
In regards to the OP, his conviction for being a “glass looker” was when he was 20 years old.
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RebeccaJ
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Smith portrayed himself as being persecuted, not as a sinner who’s sins brought consequences to himself and others. Mormons believe this about Smith to this day and their stories of Smith are all about his “persecutions”, but never the sins that led to his troubles.
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Telstar
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That was my first thought when I read Paul’s post. Lying is just something they do without blinking. As long as the lie is to promote the church, either to cover up a less than complimentary truth about someone or something in Mormonism, or to avoid telling the real truth about their strange beliefs to perspective converts, it’s never considered to be a sin. They’re taught that the ends justify the means. I’m not sure if they realize they’re doing it, or if it just comes so naturally after a while, that they don’t even have to think about it.
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in_servitude
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Thanks for helping me understand the context. I guess I would have to know some JS history to get it.
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