Did Jesus commit a sin?

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Yes you are right. It is not my method to discuss by such fairness way.

But you say God have three personalities! God is unique by all attributes. Ofcourse it is difficult and perhaps you think that Muslims have no right to talk about Christianic faith but take it or leave it we as Muslims believe in that Jews, Christians and Muslims believe in same God. Yet we could have different thoughts about attributions of God. We think as Muslims that we are right and also you do too. At least we accord in that as Jesus said Father is God, do we not?
 
Guys - I am going to sign off now, because we are really going no where other than trench digging.

Of course you have every right to talk about Christianity - but please try to get near to the truth, preferably by engaging discernment, enquiry and reasoning.

Yes, Jesus does refer to the Father as being God, but He also says, “I and the Father are ONE” - He also refers to Himself as “I AM”, which is also how God named Himself to Moses. Didn’t Jesus also say, “Before Moses was, I AM”, when referring to Himself? This was all written in the New Testament BEFORE Muhammad came along and at first he appeared to endorse it by saying if Muslims had religious issues/questions - “then go to the People of The Book” {the Christians and Jews. Islamic claims that the Bible/New Testament became ‘corrupted’ is clearly a nonsense, since Bibles and transcripts from before Muhammad can be viewed and compared with modern versions, and be seen to, in all meaningful ways, be identical.

I’m going to now call a halt, since information does not appear to be travelling well.
 
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MountCarmel said:
you persist in claiming my assertions to be groundless, and yet do not go into any detailed refuting - only the usual sweeping polemical and non-proven tired mantra.
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Really it is not worth to answer. Mecca was always Mecca. If we think by another way so we must deny the whole history. Not just so very important city is known by very details but very small towns are known for thousand years. Especially after prophet Muhammad…All history of Islam was formed around Mecca and Medina. Kaaba is there… Let’s to deny prophet Muhammad so it would be very easy…
 
Yes every one can talk and ask Islam. But some people just asperse prophet of Islam and Qur’an. Any one can say that Muhammad was not a prophet by God. But he should say that by evidences not by insults.

And wars in history were not made because of religions but there were/are other political and economical aims/accounts.
 
Muslims argue issues in Islam very freely. And you are again right that a thought contrary to Islam is not wellcomed. Especially the thoughts conflict with Tawhid which mean that God is one and unique. That is very certain. Also Moses, Jesus and all prophets were certain in that issue.

But also when a Muslim say that Jesus is not God so Christians regard that an assault to Christianity. I think Christians should listen to Muslims much more. Because Qur’an is pure revelation.
 
If you look at al-Tabari’s accounts and one or two others - see ‘The Sacred City’ for references and readings - you will find that there were other Ka’abas, that the one in Petra that pre-dated the one in Mecca, was destroyed during the Second Islamic War, and finished off by earthquakes.
 
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If you look at al-Tabari’s accounts and one or two others - see ‘The Sacred City’ for references and readings - you will find that there were other Ka’abas, that the one in Petra that pre-dated the one in Mecca, was destroyed during the Second Islamic War, and finished off by earthquakes.
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Yes, yes there are more than one Mecca and more than one God!
 
Nonsense reply for nonsense question!

Do you believe/accept that Jerusalem were in present place? Or were there many Jerusalems?
 
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Petra…

Muslims(pilgrimses) were used to visit Kaaba every year(hadj) and nowdays millions do that in a year. And Muslims visite Kaaba as Umrah in any time of year. There is no discontinity in chain.
 
I can somewhat follow your logic I think, and within this frame some of what you say makes sense to me. But, if Jesus was G’d like you claim, then why did he supposedly pray to G’d on the cross to help him and save him, and couldn’t come to his own rescue?
 
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Evenshlomo - You really don’t understand His nature and purpose - it was in effect His human nature calling out to His Divine nature, to God - in His human nature He had all the emotions we ordinary humans have, except the inclination/temptation to sin. It was His human nature in the Garden of Gethsemene that called out briefly for a release from what was about to befall Him. If He had come to His own rescue, there would have been no death and resurrection - no blood sacrifice and defeat of death - therefore no salvation for sinful mankind, who cannot attain Heaven by atoning of himself for his sins. “I AM the resurrection and the life” sayeth the Lord.
 
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mhmtas63 - The only records are Islamic records, regarding Mecca being this great place back in the day, with a Ka’aba that is supposed to go way way back, and even there are Muslim chroniclers who intimate differently - it is all in ‘The Sacred City’, if you will be so bold as to search out the TRUTH. Very cyrious that the nearest neighbours had nothing to say about this ‘great place’, or leave any record or map of it - very very curious.
 
The Muslims are claiming that Christians scriptures are fatally flawed, because they show Jesus sinning. They hold Jesus in high regard as a major prophet, as the the Christ (anointed one) even, and consider it absurd that Jesus would sin.

Of course Jesus did not sin in the passage, as he was simply anticipating the faithful Canaanite woman’s answer.
 
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The Muslims are claiming that Christians scriptures are fatally flawed, because they show Jesus sinning. They hold Jesus in high regard as a major prophet, as the the Christ (anointed one) even, and consider it absurd that Jesus would sin.

Of course Jesus did not sin in the passage, as he was simply anticipating the faithful Canaanite woman’s answer.
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Muslims do not insult prophets not important who is. Muslims do not distinct between prophets.

Well…There are even some ill-willed Muslims whose faith is so weak abusing own prophet Muhammad!
 
The Muslims are not insulting Jesus; they consider the passage of Christian scripture to be insulting Christ.
 
I would just like to caution you not to get drawn into the logic of someone who does not believe that Jesus Christ is King of Kings and Lord of Lords.
John 1:29 - John said of Jesus, “Behold, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!”
Hebrews 4:15 [New American Standard Bible ]"For we do not have a high priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but One who has been tempted in all things as we are, yet without sin.

Jesus could never sin - as He is part of the Triune God - and His body and His blood He gave as a sacrifice for our sins. We might not understand why Jesus answered the way He did - but Jesus said He only did what the Father did - and the words He spoke came from the Holy Spirit who empowered Him to live on this earth in human flesh.
 
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Him to live on this earth in human flesh.
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Essence of God is simple and and infinite. That means the essence do not dissever and depart. So how could that essence settle in a human body? I mean Father have an essence in original place and Holy Spirirt have an other essence who travel through space and the other essence is in human body. So how could you explain or believe that?
 
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mhmtas63 - The only records are Islamic records, regarding Mecca being this great place back in the day, with a Ka’aba that is supposed to go way way back, and even there are Muslim chroniclers who intimate differently - it is all in ‘The Sacred City’, if you will be so bold as to search out the TRUTH. Very cyrious that the nearest neighbours had nothing to say about this ‘great place’, or leave any record or map of it - very very curious.
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Yes… Muslims know Islam better than any others. You are so comic to insist on that. I am a physicist and that issue is not worth to talk. And there is not any scientific regard wtih that. There is one thing that Muslims were not well aware of geography that there were many mistakes in the direction of Mecca. Even we can see such mistakes in some present Qiblas(direction of Mecca). But the Qiblas were not direct to Petra. And Petra were alive and being lost much more before Islam.

Muslims know the place of house of prophet Muhammad exactly in Mecca. The place of Zam Zam. And Ka’aba… The hira cave and the thawr… People know family trees. Who and where were born…

I do not know what to say any more! Such a silly trouble…
 
NO, NO and NO!!! Our Lord is True God and True Man. And why would He commit a sin since He came to redeem us from sin?
 
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