Did Jesus die on 33AD?

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JMJ_coder said:
One possibility that I don’t think anyone here has considered (though I haven’t read every post):

Perhaps the sun being blotted out was supernatural and not just a planned cosmic coincidence.
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That’s the answer, whether by dust or storm cloud. But, the thread is about the DATE of the CROSS … not what covered the Sun.

The Eclipse is only important because it caused a BLOOD MOON to rise at dusk … and it was noted by Chinese @ 3PM [Jerusalem time] … dusk their time, and it was recorded in INDEPENDENT historical texts, that Secular historians cannot deny as valid evidence to support Biblical history.

Also, the BLOOD MOON rose that night at the foot of MARY’s constellation // the Virgin. This is very powerful evidence that supports 4/3/33 date.

One Wise Man here has called this evidence Metaphysical Musings … let him put forth better evidence to support his more acceptible date in history for the Cross …:coffeeread:
 
coolduude said:
This is a bit off topic but I just gotta say it.

Why are we using the BC/AD time scale in this discussion? Shouldn’t we be using the BCE/CE time scale?

Because if you say ‘Jesus was born in 1 BC’ that’s like saying He was born before He was born. Catch my drift? I don’t think the BC/AD time scale is appropriate. Once you determine His d.o.b then you can use BC/AD, IMO.

Sorry. I can really be a stickler for semantics :o
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The BCE/CE terminology is modern and secular. Within a non-secular, that is Christian discussion, BC/AD would seem to be the proper terminology.

It may sound odd to say Christ was born before Christ, but that is caused by the mistaken calculations made early on when Anno Dominum, the Year of our Lord, was established.
 
My opinion is that Jesus died in 19 A.D. and was born in 15 B.C.
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This is based on a correction of the usual dates given for various events in Roman history, including the deaths of various emperors, and the reign of Pilate over Judea.
 
choy said:
i keep seeing this mentioned always that Jesus died on 33AD. but haven’t we established that Jesus wasn’t born on 1AD? but rather 4-6BC because Herod couldn’t have had the babies killed on 1AD because he was dead by then. also the timing of the census if i’m not mistaken would also fall around that time

so wouldn’t Jesus have died on 27AD if he was born on 6BC?
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Correct, IF Christ was born 4-6 BC. This is speculation because no one knows the exact date in a scientific sense.
 
Ron_Conte said:
My opinion is that Jesus died in 19 A.D. and was born in 15 B.C.
biblicalchronology.com/
This is based on a correction of the usual dates given for various events in Roman history, including the deaths of various emperors, and the reign of Pilate over Judea.
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I’ve been led to believe that Pilate’s reign over Judea was from 26 AD to 36 AD. Does anybody know if this is correct?
 
Charlie_Zeaiter said:
I’ve been led to believe that Pilate’s reign over Judea was from 26 AD to 36 AD. Does anybody know if this is correct?
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This is the usual time frame given to his reign. However, some scholars such as E.J. Vardaman and Daniel Schwartz have an ealier date for the start of Pilate’s reign, about A.D. 14/15.
 
Ignatius said:
Correct, IF Christ was born 4-6 BC. This is speculation because no one knows the exact date in a scientific sense.
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The age of Jesus at his death, the year of his birth, and the year of his death, are all a matter of broad speculation by various scholars. Dates for his birth range from 15 B.C. (my date), 12 B.C. (Vardaman and Kokkinos), through various other dates to as late as 1 B.C. Dates for his death and resurrection range from 19 A.D., to 21 A.D. (Vardaman) to as late as 36 A.D. (Kokkinos). Many scholars think Jesus died in 30 or 33, but not so many years ago dates in the late 20’s were more popular.
 
Has anyone tried to reconcile the date of the death of Jesus with Daniels prophecy.Sorry to add to the confusion but as I understand it the reconciliation may be as follows.
Ultimation salvation 490 years from the date of the enachment to restore the Temple in Jesrusalem when the Jews were in Babylon.
The death of Jesus is prophecied as been 483 years from the date of the enachment.If the enachment was in 457BC Jesus would have died in 26 AD and if he was born in 7 BC he would have been 33 at death.and 7 years after his death, after 490 years with the rejection of the Message of Jesus by the Jews we received salvation
 
antonabe said:
Has anyone tried to reconcile the date of the death of Jesus with Daniels prophecy.Sorry to add to the confusion but as I understand it the reconciliation may be as follows.
Ultimation salvation 490 years from the date of the enachment to restore the Temple in Jesrusalem when the Jews were in Babylon.
The death of Jesus is prophecied as been 483 years from the date of the enachment.If the enachment was in 457BC Jesus would have died in 26 AD and if he was born in 7 BC he would have been 33 at death.and 7 years after his death, after 490 years with the rejection of the Message of Jesus by the Jews we received salvation
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See the intro in the book at:

Jesus was 61 link

It discusses Daniel 9 and both the birth and crucifixion of Jesus.
 
antonabe said:
Has anyone tried to reconcile the date of the death of Jesus with Daniels prophecy.Sorry to add to the confusion but as I understand it the reconciliation may be as follows.
Ultimation salvation 490 years from the date of the enachment to restore the Temple in Jesrusalem when the Jews were in Babylon.
The death of Jesus is prophecied as been 483 years from the date of the enachment.If the enachment was in 457BC Jesus would have died in 26 AD and if he was born in 7 BC he would have been 33 at death.and 7 years after his death, after 490 years with the rejection of the Message of Jesus by the Jews we received salvation
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Yes, it is discussed here in the middle of the page: bethlehemstar.net/day/day.htm#daniel

It is expressly stated in the above link that the Annointed One being cut off likely referred to 33 AD.
 
Just read a fascinating book on the subject, “Year of the Passover”, by John Hagan.

Hagan takes his time to conclude that Jesus was crucified at the Passover of A.D. 36. He looks at the biographies of the secondary characters in the Gospels- John the Baptist, Herod Antipas, Herodias- to determine this. The historian Josephus is a major source.

There was a whole slew of political events happening at that time, that played a causative role in Jesus’ crucifixion, according to Hagan. One of the biggest was the surprise arrival of the President of Syria in Jerusalem. He was there to plan a war on Nabotea, and met with Antipas and Pilate for this purpose. Hagan argues that this was why Caiaphas wanted to get rid of Jesus- Caiaphas wanted no trouble from the “zealot” Jesus when the powerful Roman arrived.
Hagan also concluded that Jesus was born in either 11 or 12 B.C., making him either 47 or 48 at the time of his crucifixion.
 
This is based on speculation and is contrary to hitherto acknowledged information of Scripture and Historians.I would personally accept the conventional view that Jesus died when he was 33 years old.The question is when was he born?Since Herod died in 4 BC the view held is that Jesus was born before that perhaps in 7 BC and his death can be as ascertained according to Daniels prophecy as being in 26 AD
 
steve53 said:
Just read a fascinating book on the subject, “Year of the Passover”, by John Hagan.

Hagan takes his time to conclude that Jesus was crucified at the Passover of A.D. 36. He looks at the biographies of the secondary characters in the Gospels- John the Baptist, Herod Antipas, Herodias- to determine this. The historian Josephus is a major source.

There was a whole slew of political events happening at that time, that played a causative role in Jesus’ crucifixion, according to Hagan. One of the biggest was the surprise arrival of the President of Syria in Jerusalem. He was there to plan a war on Nabotea, and met with Antipas and Pilate for this purpose. Hagan argues that this was why Caiaphas wanted to get rid of Jesus- Caiaphas wanted no trouble from the “zealot” Jesus when the powerful Roman arrived.
Hagan also concluded that Jesus was born in either 11 or 12 B.C., making him either 47 or 48 at the time of his crucifixion.
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Mr. Hagan must have overlooked that in 36 CE, Passover (Nisan 14) was on a Friday.
Jesus was crucified on a Wednesday Passover (Nisan 14).
 
Jesus was crucified on a day of preparation definitely, which had to be a Friday. Hagan uses Josephus to determine how and when the Passover was celebrated in the times of the Temple.
 
let’s stick with primary sources if possible. In John, Jesus body was taken down before sunset because the Sabbath day was about to begin.

Friday.

Jeez.
 
steve53 said:
let’s stick with primary sources if possible. In John, Jesus body was taken down before sunset because the Sabbath day was about to begin.

Friday.

Jeez.
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From the book Jesus was 61:

The Sign of Jonah:

So why would one think that the crucifixion day of the week is Wednesday? Because Jesus in Matthew 12:40 is recorded as saying:

for just as JONAH WAS THREE DAYS AND THREE NIGHTS IN THE BELLY OF THE SEA MONSTER, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Which can be combined with the verse in John 20:1, to work backwards to get a Wednesday crucifixion day of the week.

Now on the first day of the week Mary Magdalene came early to the tomb, while it was still dark, and saw the stone already taken away from the tomb.

Now most advocates of either a Friday crucifixion or a Wednesday crucifixion agree, that what is meant as the “first day of the week”, is what we today call Sunday. So working backwards: third night, third day (Saturday), second night, second day (Friday), first night, first day (Thursday), one arrives at Thursday dawning [before the first hour of the day on Thursday]. So lets look at what transpired the night just before dawn, starting on Wednesday evening, and proceeding step be step towards the dawn of Thursday morning. The supporting Bible verses can be found after the summary of the following outlined events.

The Events after Crucifixion:
  1. It was during the evening that Joseph (a man from Arimathea) first went to Pilate to ask for the body of Jesus.
  2. Pilate would not let Joseph have the body of Jesus, until Pilate had:

    (a) Summoned the centurion, from where the body of Jesus was.

    (b) Questioned the centurion, as to whether Jesus was dead or not.
  3. So time-wise, it would now have to be much later on in the evening.
  4. Nicodemus comes by night “bringing a mixture of myrrh and aloes, about a hundred pounds weight.” and “they took the body of Jesus and bound it in linen wrappings with the spices, as is the burial custom of the Jews”.
  5. So a significant amount of work was done to preserve the body of Jesus that night.
  6. Next the two men laid the prepared body of Jesus in the tomb.
  7. Then “the women who had come with Him out of Galilee followed, and saw the tomb and how His body was laid.”
  8. “and he rolled a large stone against the entrance of the tomb and went away. And Mary Magdalene was there, and the other Mary, sitting opposite the grave.”
  9. Time-wise, it would now have to be approaching dawn.
  10. “Then they returned and prepared spices and perfumes”, which now approaching the first hour of the day (a high-day in which no “laborious work” can be done). So the women would have to wait until the day after the high-day to prepare the spices and perfumes.
  11. “And on the Sabbath they rested according to the commandment.” So the day after they prepared the spices is now the Sabbath (Saturday), a day which they can do no “laborious work”.
  12. “But on the first day of the week, at early dawn, they came to the tomb bringing the spices which they had prepared.”
In summary, from evening to dawn on Wednesday night, a significant amount of activity went on with the body of Jesus. The women watched, as the two men did the work. Since it was a preparation day, the next day (Thursday, starting at dawn) would be a high-day in which no “laborious work” could be performed. So when the women returned towards dawn, they would not have prepared any spices until after the high-day (Lev. 23:5-8 requires no “laborious work” on the high-day). On Friday the women prepare the spices and perfumes. Then comes the Sabbath (Saturday), on which the women rested. Then at dawn on the first day of the week (Sunday) the women return to the grave of Jesus with the spices. But they did not find Jesus, because He had risen from the dead, just like He said He would.

[Lev. 23:5-8] *“'In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month at twilight is the LORD’S Passover. 'Then on the fifteenth day of the same month there is the Feast of Unleavened Bread to the LORD; for seven days you shall eat unleavened bread. 'On the first day you shall have a holy convocation; you shall not do any laborious work. ‘But for seven days you shall present an offering by fire to the LORD. On the seventh day is a holy convocation; you shall not do any laborious work.’" *

Ref: Luke 23:50-56, Matt. 27:57-61, Mark 15:42-47, John 19:38-42.

Ref: Luke 24:1, Matt. 28:1, Mark 16:1-2, John 20:1.
 
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