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NO But you know what Iam not surprise,I think its the Baptist that have a hard time with people getting drunkHello Bill
did you get your answer yet?Jesus drank wine
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tomjoans
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Hi,I could be wrong, but I think they need a church that tells them that alcohol is evil. If not, they feel they will be tempted to start drinking again. They seem to need God (as told to them by their pastors) to say that alcohol is prohibited. If it comes from God, they feel that they have a higher reason to “just say no”. In reality, of course, they have all the authority they need to just say no. If they say, no, it’s no. It’s too bad that more people don’t understand that very simple point - that every human being has the ultimate authority to just say no.
This is how it is with the people I know who’ve joined “dry” churches. They need the church to back them up in just saying no. They tell others that they are Christians now and so don’t drink at all. They know that few people would ever ask someone to put their religion aside. (I’ve never had anyone ask me to eat meat on Friday during Lent. In fact, Jewish people who’ve had parties for kids on Friday in Lent ordered cheese pizzas for the Catholic kids.
If it works for them.
Where does it say in the Word of God that the Jewish people who’ve had parties for kids on Friday in Lent ordered cheese pizzas for the Catholic kids? Where does it say anything about Lent. What can giving up meat for 40 days get anyone? Sorry, I don’t understand.
Love in Christ Jesus,
tomjoans(Joan)
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tqualey
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Hi, Joan,
For a minute there I thought you gave up…
The Catholic Church - you know, the one founded by Christ on Peter (Matt 16) was given the power by Christ to bind and lose - to make laws and to dispense with laws if that is easier to understand. Here is a link you may find helpful in answering your question: catholic.com/thisrock/2005/0501bt.asp
May I recommend you start a thread with this being the topic? Thanks.
By the way, do you think jesus drank wine or grape juice?
God bless
For a minute there I thought you gave up…
I really do not believe the poster who addressed accommodating non-Jewish people at a Jewish party during Lent was quoting Scripture… you may have gotten a little carried away with literalism as you departed from the thread we are on…
The Catholic Church - you know, the one founded by Christ on Peter (Matt 16) was given the power by Christ to bind and lose - to make laws and to dispense with laws if that is easier to understand. Here is a link you may find helpful in answering your question: catholic.com/thisrock/2005/0501bt.asp
May I recommend you start a thread with this being the topic? Thanks.
By the way, do you think jesus drank wine or grape juice?
God bless
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PaulDupre
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And that is the crux of the matter. So, don’t drink too much of it and you will be fine in the sight of God.
Paul
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kalt
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Calm down. I didn’t say that drinking a little wine is “evil”. I didn’t even say that drinking a lot of wine is “evil”.
So “lets” get this right.
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hosemonkey
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kalt
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Well, I guess that would be the gospel according to me.
I was relating a real life situation here to illustrate that when you say that your dietary “differences” are based on religion, no one pushes you to participate. No one I know would ask an observant Jew to eat pork. No one asks Catholic kids to eat meat on Friday during Lent. So, those who have a problem with drinking like the support of the “dry” churches. If they can say that they are Christian and so don’t drink, who would continue to offer them liquor? They get the support of the church they want (all alcohol is evil) and the reason for not drinking (God says it’s wrong.)
So, the cheese pizzas aren’t in the Bible. That happened in real life here. It was an example of how people respect dietary differences without question when they’re based on religion.
Vegans, I’m sure, can tell us that their dietary “differences” aren’t nearly as respected by the general public.
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PaulDupre
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Can you say “Glenn Beck”?
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Periannath
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Thank you for the blessings, may God also bless you.Hi, Periannath,
I think you have made an excellent observation.
As I recall, there were a couple of posters who associated any drining with getting drunk - and this is why Christ did not drink… or… something along those lines. Personally, with the First Miracle of turning water into wine - I think Christ made a very strong statement about there being nothing intrinisically evil with the moderate use alcohol. Being drunk has always been condemned. For those able to make the distinction between the use and the abuse of alcohol - or any other item in this world - more blessings on you!
Cheers!
God bless
I think it is also important to point out that on some occasions it may be improper to drink, not because it is intrinsically evil, because of the conciseness’ of those who view it is wrong, may struggle with alcoholism and the like. I think it is also important to consider how drinking in some situations may affect our Christian witness. How does it affect our witness in a party where alcohol is a central feature? How about at clubs or raves? Not that it may always be wrong in these contexts but we must consider the concisencess’ of all, not just of our brothers and sisters in the Lord. For example if we are at a party, others who are drunk or drinking may not know how many we have had. They may just as well think we are drunk. This may damage our Christian witness as we are called to live above and beyond reproach, to flee [even] every appearance of evil, and be separate from a culture that often times glorifies alcohol as the necessary center for a social activity (keeping in mind from where I am writing from as a young adult from WI were this is a serious problem). We can always ask is this helpful or needful? For, ““Everything is permissible”—but not everything is beneficial. “Everything is permissible”—but not everything is constructive.” (1 Co 10:23, NIV).
God’s peace.
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tqualey
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Hi, Periannath,
Yes, there are many things to consider. And your referencing St. Paul in this context was appropriate, although as I recall the Apostle to the Gentiles was referencing activities associated with idol worship.
But, the issue, as I recall, deals with the One Who set the very best of examples - and, I think it would be wise to stay on target here. While Scripture does not record that Christ toasted the Bride and Groom with the wine He had just made from water - it does say that He was at a party where alcohol was served - and this is the heart of the matter in looking at Christ’s actions. So, from my understanding of this Scripture, I’d say that He drank wine and not the grape juice product that probably was not invented yet and probably could not have been kept without a pasturization-like process and refrigeration.
What do you think: did Jesus drink wine or grape juice?
Cheers!
God bless
Yes, there are many things to consider. And your referencing St. Paul in this context was appropriate, although as I recall the Apostle to the Gentiles was referencing activities associated with idol worship.
Bing drinking among young people is a serious - and, sometime fatal problem. And, you are certainly correct in expressing concern about this sinful and dangerous activity.
But, the issue, as I recall, deals with the One Who set the very best of examples - and, I think it would be wise to stay on target here. While Scripture does not record that Christ toasted the Bride and Groom with the wine He had just made from water - it does say that He was at a party where alcohol was served - and this is the heart of the matter in looking at Christ’s actions. So, from my understanding of this Scripture, I’d say that He drank wine and not the grape juice product that probably was not invented yet and probably could not have been kept without a pasturization-like process and refrigeration.
What do you think: did Jesus drink wine or grape juice?
Cheers!
God bless
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tomjoans
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I really think, according to the Word of God, that you have explained it perfectly , to flee from even the appearance of evil, which may damage our Christian witness. Everything is permissible–but not everything is constructive.
Love in Christ Jesus,
tomjoans(Joan)
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PaulDupre
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Glenn Beck is a conservative radio talk show host and a commentator on the Fox News Channel. He is a recovering alcoholic who married a Mormon woman and converted to Mormonism. He admits that it was the alcohol-free LDS culture that attracted him to the LDS Church. He also admits that he knows very little about Mormon doctrine and history, and is frankly not that interested to learn. He finds it easier to stay sober when he’s with people who demonize all use of alcohol. Understandable, though he could have become a Southern Baptist and achieved the same result without becoming a non-Christian.I could, but I know nothing about him [Glenn Beck] as a person.
Can you fill me in?
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tqualey
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Hi, (name removed by moderator),
By ‘total’ do you mean wine would not be used at Mass?
God bless
By ‘total’ do you mean wine would not be used at Mass?
God bless
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Steven_John
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Here in Australia when i was a kid we were also mostly one “species” (forgive me if terminology is wrong) people.
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Periannath
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On grape juice. It could be grape juice because the people of this time did have a way of making grape juice from jelly (used to preserve this). Some interpret this as the “new wine” in the sense that it is new, not fermented and also that it is “new” theologically; i.e. it is not tainted with the stain of sin and curse as fermentation often symbolizes in the new testament (thus many in the churches have used unleavened bread with this as an additional reason to others). However, I do not tend to think it was grape juice that Jesus drank and have no problem with it being wine. Some may emphasize that Jesus was holy and set apart unto God (we all know he is God in the flesh) in such a way that he abstained from alcohol just as the Nazarenes were in the time of the Judges. This is possible but I do not see it as necessary. This may not be the answer you are looking for but in the end I really do not know, and I do not think it matters so much. If we need to try to read into Christ’s miracle at the wedding in Cana that he drank it (and thus as the perfect man exampled this to us) so that we can justify our own right to use alcohol I think there may be some room for concern (that all depends on motive and intention though). I don’t see anything in Scripture that prohibits the consumption of alcohol as a intrinsic evil or sin. In wish case I one could point to temperance or moderation in its us as a wise standard further tempered by those among us who find that drinking goes against their conscience.Hi, Periannath,
Yes, there are many things to consider. And your referencing St. Paul in this context was appropriate, although as I recall the Apostle to the Gentiles was referencing activities associated with idol worship.
Bing drinking among young people is a serious - and, sometime fatal problem. And, you are certainly correct in expressing concern about this sinful and dangerous activity.
But, the issue, as I recall, deals with the One Who set the very best of examples - and, I think it would be wise to stay on target here. While Scripture does not record that Christ toasted the Bride and Groom with the wine He had just made from water - it does say that He was at a party where alcohol was served - and this is the heart of the matter in looking at Christ’s actions. So, from my understanding of this Scripture, I’d say that He drank wine and not the grape juice product that probably was not invented yet and probably could not have been kept without a pasturization-like process and refrigeration.
What do you think: did Jesus drink wine or grape juice?
Cheers!
God bless
Peace.
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Periannath
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Thank you for your complements and peace to you.
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Periannath
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I would agree with you. And yes, cultural contexts play a role (even the culture of some church groups).
Peace.
Peace.
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Peter29
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I can’t remember receiving the blood of christ whenever I have visited family in Ireland- I always thought it was a bit strange.
My uncle told me there was one priest who had to travel round various towns because there was (is?) such a lack of priests there to give mass and driving on his way home he was over the legal driving limit for alcohol.
My uncle told me there was one priest who had to travel round various towns because there was (is?) such a lack of priests there to give mass and driving on his way home he was over the legal driving limit for alcohol.
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