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brian614
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My bad, I should read more carefully or pay better attention…
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ccmcmg
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Jesus can heal us however He chooses…physically, spiritually… He is God. All of us have original sin at birth, and to my understanding, it is removed by Baptism, as are all sins previous to Baptism.Jesus healed them Physically. Does that mean he healed them spiritually also and freed the from original sin so they did not have the Inclination to sin anymore ?
However, that does not free us from the inclination to sin. We have free will. I don’t think that ‘temptation’ to sin is a sin; acceptance and wanting of that temptation is a sin. Jesus was tempted by the devil; however, He did not accept it. The devil has tempted me, straight up and to my face, yet I cast him and the temptation aside and rejected it. I think that there is a difference between the desire/want to sin, and temptation to sin. During my ‘Grace’ period, I learned the difference, for me. I might not be explaining it right, but I know what He told me.
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shaky
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If Jesus had free-will why was he free from the inclination to Sin. Yet we with free-will are ‘‘not free’’ from the inclination to Sin ?Jesus can heal us however He chooses…physically, spiritually… He is God. All of us have original sin at birth, and to my understanding, it is removed by Baptism, as are all sins previous to Baptism.
However, that does not free us from the inclination to sin. We have free will. I don’t think that ‘temptation’ to sin is a sin; acceptance and wanting of that temptation is a sin. Jesus was tempted by the devil; however, He did not accept it. The devil has tempted me, straight up and to my face, yet I cast him and the temptation aside and rejected it. I think that there is a difference between the desire/want to sin, and temptation to sin. During my ‘Grace’ period, I learned the difference, for me. I might not be explaining it right, but I know what He told me.
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ccmcmg
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Because although he was 100% man, he is also 100% God; one in being with the Father.If Jesus had free-will why was he free from the inclination to Sin. Yet we with free-will are ‘‘not free’’ from the inclination to Sin ?
It doesn’t make sense to our mere human minds, does it? It blows our MINDS! How is that possible? It is possible because He said it’s possible…for Him. God does not sin; man has a tendency to sin.
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shaky
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Do we lose the inclination to Sin when we die and go to heaven ?.. Or does that happen at the second coming of Christ when we get our new glorified Body ?Because although he was 100% man, he is also 100% God; one in being with the Father.
It doesn’t make sense to our mere human minds, does it? It blows our MINDS! How is that possible? It is possible because He said it’s possible…for Him. God does not sin; man has a tendency to sin.
Some Angels in Heaven sinned. Why do they have the inclination to Sin ?
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Iron_Donkey
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They didn’t have the inclination to sin, they just sinned anyway.Do we lose the inclination to Sin when we die and go to heaven ?.. Or does that happen at the second coming of Christ when we get our new glorified Body ?
Some Angels in Heaven sinned. Why do they have the inclination to Sin ?
The inclination to sin is part of the damage done to our human nature by original sin, it is the reason why nearly all men, except in extraordinary circumstances like Mary and Jesus will sin repeatedly.
Mary was preserved from this effect, and the Son acquired a perfect non-damaged human nature. So He did not have the inclination to sin either.
Note that Adam and Eve did not have the inclination to sin either, but they did sin. Lack of inclination does not imply lack of ability.
Mary, for example, could have sinned if she so chose (so far as I understand), but was preserved from the inclination to choose to do so and did not so choose.
Jesus actually could not have sinned because He is God and logically unable to oppose Himself.
As for when we lose it - I believe at death when we see God we lose both the inclination and the ability if we are saved, and enter into a continual state of sin (rejecting God) in Hell if not. But having never heard about what happens to the actual inclination as opposed to the ability, I could be slightly wrong.
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brian614
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I did not know this, how did the Angels in Heaven sin… I have never heard this before and now my curiosity is peaked.Some Angels in Heaven sinned. Why do they have the inclination to Sin ?
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Iron_Donkey
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Those that fell and became demons sinned. The details aren’t known to us, beyond that it happened and that they had not yet attained the beatific vision.I did not know this, how did the Angels in Heaven sin… I have never heard this before and now my curiosity is peaked.
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brian614
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Oh I knew that, I thought you guys were saying that Angels who are currently in Heaven have sinned before…Those that fell and became demons sinned. The details aren’t known to us, beyond that it happened and that they had not yet attained the beatific vision.
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Oh no. Or at least, I don’t believe so. I suppose some could have started to fall and came back, no idea. I don’t think most of that information is known to us. But I’m fairly certain the angels are at this point, and in fact immediately after the episode where some were kicked out, either fixed in sin or fixed in not sinning.Oh I knew that, I thought you guys were saying that Angels who are currently in Heaven have sinned before…
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