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dolphinlove
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God, please take Rayaan’s heart and show him the truth of Jesus.
He is full of hate towards the truth, maybe he is scared to face the truth?
Either way, dear Jesus, show him the truth, love and light that you are, and pray he does learn the truth, that you are the Son Of God and not a mere prophet.
Amen!
He is full of hate towards the truth, maybe he is scared to face the truth?
Either way, dear Jesus, show him the truth, love and light that you are, and pray he does learn the truth, that you are the Son Of God and not a mere prophet.
Amen!
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RealEstateCarol
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Here’s a question to all of you…
Do you know if you are going to Heaven when you die?
Do you know if you are going to Heaven when you die?
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dolphinlove
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nobody knows if they are going to make it to heaven or not. Only God knows.
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BCven86
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“I am already saved, I am being saved, and I hope to be saved”
See catholic.com/library/Assurance_of_Salvation.asp
Personally though, I believe that through Confession, the Eucharist, and the rest of the Sacraments that I am currently in a state of Grace; with which if I were to die tonight I would go to heaven (or so says the Church, whose Authority I do trust and have faith in).
That being said, I am really not the one to say, it’s all up to Him. All I can really do is remain faithful and continue to live every day to please Him.
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RealEstateCarol
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I’ll only quote Bible verses to answer your reply
1 John 5:13
These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
John 6:47
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.
Eph 2:8-9
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Not of works, lest any man should boast
Titus 3:5
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
Philippians 3:9
And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith
John 5:24
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
Romans 10:13
For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord Jesus Christ shall be saved.
1 John 5:13
These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
John 6:47
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.
Eph 2:8-9
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Not of works, lest any man should boast
Titus 3:5
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
Philippians 3:9
And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith
John 5:24
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
Romans 10:13
For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord Jesus Christ shall be saved.
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IvanKaramozov
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Dear God,
DolphinLove has for some reason decided to make a show of praying to you as a backhanded way of rebukeing and insulting some other guy, please show her what Jesus said about hypocrits who make a show of praying in public
ps. What’s up with Dolphinlove and Muslims? Like did an Arab kid steal her toy as a toddler or something?
pps. this prayer is retorical, please don’t take it as a mockery of prayer, just of DolphinLove’s non-sense
Amen.
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BCven86
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RealEstateCarol:
Here is a excerpt from a Catholic study on justification, specifically refuting the concept of Sola-Fide and supporting faith and action:
Here is a excerpt from a Catholic study on justification, specifically refuting the concept of Sola-Fide and supporting faith and action:
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BCven86
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By the way, like I said I took that from a study. After looking into a few of those I noticed that they are off by a few verses. If it seems that the verse in question is irrelevant to the discussion, read the verses around it and you will find the point that is summarized after each verse listing. Sorry for the confusion.
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RealEstateCarol
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Lamb of God is one of the titles given to Jesus in the New Testament. It refers to Jesus’ role as a sacrificial lamb atoning for the sins of man, harkening back to ancient Jewish Temple sacrifices in which a lamb was slain during the Passover, the blood was sprinkled along the door, and the whole of the lamb was eaten. The Passover lamb was the atonement for sin.
Jesus is our atonement for sin.
The Bible says…
There has to be a death payment made for sin.
Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Jesus made that death payment.
Romans 5:8
But God commendeth His love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
All we have to do is accept the payment Jesus made.
John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Matt. 5 has nothing to do with how to get to Heaven.
In Romans 2 Paul exposes the moralist. They see themselves as better and therefore uncondemned.
John 3:36
He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
If you accept the payment Jesus made, you will go to Heaven. If you don’t accept, you won’t go to Heaven.
In Philippians 2:12 Paul calls the readers “my beloved,” an expression he reserves for believers. See also 1:1 where Paul indicates that he is writing, “to the saints in Christ Jesus who are in Philippi.” Believers are already eternally saved and cannot lose that salvation.
Paul Is Calling Believers to Ongoing Obedience
Paul begins this verse with the words “as you have always obeyed.” We expect him to go on to say something like, “keep on obeying.” While he does not use exactly those words, that is implicit in what he does say. Working out one’s salvation is another way of talking about ongoing obedience. The following context bears out this conclusion.
Fear And Trembling? While believers are not to fear hell-Jesus has guaranteed that no will go there (John 3:16-18; 5:24), we are to fear the Lord. This fear reflects both reverence for His awesome grandeur (e.g., Isa 6) and respect for His discipline (e.g., Heb 12:3-11). Believers are thus to exercise ongoing obedience with an attitude of reverential fear.
1 Corinthians 6:9 , You are correct. Have you ever told a lie?
Romans 3:23
For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God.
James 2:10
For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
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Revelation 21:27
And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb’s book of life.
The good news is, Jesus paid for our sin. All we have to do is accept that payment.
I could go on with the verses you sent. The point is, don’t take verses out of context and look to see who the author is talking to.
If it is not by faith, please explain why the verses I posted say it is by faith alone.
Jesus is our atonement for sin.
The Bible says…
There has to be a death payment made for sin.
Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Jesus made that death payment.
Romans 5:8
But God commendeth His love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
All we have to do is accept the payment Jesus made.
John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Matt. 5 has nothing to do with how to get to Heaven.
In Romans 2 Paul exposes the moralist. They see themselves as better and therefore uncondemned.
John 3:36
He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
If you accept the payment Jesus made, you will go to Heaven. If you don’t accept, you won’t go to Heaven.
In Philippians 2:12 Paul calls the readers “my beloved,” an expression he reserves for believers. See also 1:1 where Paul indicates that he is writing, “to the saints in Christ Jesus who are in Philippi.” Believers are already eternally saved and cannot lose that salvation.
Paul Is Calling Believers to Ongoing Obedience
Paul begins this verse with the words “as you have always obeyed.” We expect him to go on to say something like, “keep on obeying.” While he does not use exactly those words, that is implicit in what he does say. Working out one’s salvation is another way of talking about ongoing obedience. The following context bears out this conclusion.
Fear And Trembling? While believers are not to fear hell-Jesus has guaranteed that no will go there (John 3:16-18; 5:24), we are to fear the Lord. This fear reflects both reverence for His awesome grandeur (e.g., Isa 6) and respect for His discipline (e.g., Heb 12:3-11). Believers are thus to exercise ongoing obedience with an attitude of reverential fear.
1 Corinthians 6:9 , You are correct. Have you ever told a lie?
Romans 3:23
For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God.
James 2:10
For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
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Revelation 21:27
And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb’s book of life.
The good news is, Jesus paid for our sin. All we have to do is accept that payment.
I could go on with the verses you sent. The point is, don’t take verses out of context and look to see who the author is talking to.
If it is not by faith, please explain why the verses I posted say it is by faith alone.
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BCven86
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To be completely honest I don’t have time to go through and refute each one of your verses. I am a student and finals are coming up; I’m barely going to sleep tonight anyways. I will comment, however, on how I feel about the discussion based on my offhand knowledge.
Yes we do need to accept Jesus’ death as payment, but that is a constant decision, not one that is a one time deal and you are saved. It is possible to lose the Holy Spirit once given it, see Hebrew 6 on that. We constantly need to make the choice to accept it.
As for requiring works? Faith without works is dead. Is it really possible to love God with all your heart and still not show it with your actions? They go hand in hand, I don’t see it possible to separate them; think of your life experiences…
Martin Luther had a quote, “If adultery could be committed in faith, it would not be a sin”? (Cf. Möhler, “Symbolik”, sec. 16). This is something that I can simply not agree with and nor does the Church, and I honestly I don’t think that it correlates well with everyday experience.
Lastly, this argument in large part can be parallels the discussion of Authority. From how it sounds, you derive your authority from the Bible, I derive mine from the Church. Finding objective truth through the Bible isn’t possible as the Bible is book, the truth only comes from your interpretation of it; therefore the truth you find is subjective. Interpretations can disagree, in which case one has to be right. I believe that the Church has been given the Authority to interpret Sacred Scripture and that their word goes.
As far as I’m concerned, the Church has been given the Authority to proclaim and discern objective truths. If they say ‘faith in works’, personally I will take it on faith in their authority and apply it to my life.
As for basing your authority on the Bible alone, I have a question for you: How have you come to believe that scripture is inspired? If you base all of your belief on the Bible alone, I think it is an appropriate question to ask why and how. Also, how can you say that your interpretation of it is one that is objective, not subjective?
Yes we do need to accept Jesus’ death as payment, but that is a constant decision, not one that is a one time deal and you are saved. It is possible to lose the Holy Spirit once given it, see Hebrew 6 on that. We constantly need to make the choice to accept it.
As for requiring works? Faith without works is dead. Is it really possible to love God with all your heart and still not show it with your actions? They go hand in hand, I don’t see it possible to separate them; think of your life experiences…
Martin Luther had a quote, “If adultery could be committed in faith, it would not be a sin”? (Cf. Möhler, “Symbolik”, sec. 16). This is something that I can simply not agree with and nor does the Church, and I honestly I don’t think that it correlates well with everyday experience.
Lastly, this argument in large part can be parallels the discussion of Authority. From how it sounds, you derive your authority from the Bible, I derive mine from the Church. Finding objective truth through the Bible isn’t possible as the Bible is book, the truth only comes from your interpretation of it; therefore the truth you find is subjective. Interpretations can disagree, in which case one has to be right. I believe that the Church has been given the Authority to interpret Sacred Scripture and that their word goes.
As far as I’m concerned, the Church has been given the Authority to proclaim and discern objective truths. If they say ‘faith in works’, personally I will take it on faith in their authority and apply it to my life.
As for basing your authority on the Bible alone, I have a question for you: How have you come to believe that scripture is inspired? If you base all of your belief on the Bible alone, I think it is an appropriate question to ask why and how. Also, how can you say that your interpretation of it is one that is objective, not subjective?
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dolphinlove
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Ivan, i was ACTUALLY being sincere in my request in that prayer, i would NEVER use Gods name and mock someone at the same time.
As for yourself my lad, i know your still young and have a lot of growing up to do and need to grasp the meaning of maturity.
As for my dislike of them, well its not the fact i dislike them, but i dont like the fact of how they reduce Jesus to a prophet. That and my best friend of 20 years, who is of Lebanese decent by the way, had family members shot by Muslims during the war… Oh did i mention they actually shot them in front of her family?
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IvanKaramozov
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I’m sure you were sincere, that dosen’t mean you didn’t use prayer as a tool. Your have no need to type out a prayer, you certianly didn’t need to include in that prayer charges about the individual, like that they hate the truth.
I’m mature enough to dismiss bigotry and reject broad generalizations.
The Jews don’t even acknoledge he was a prophet, neither do Bhuddists, Confuscians, Hindus etc. Yet you don’t go after them with the same fury.
So Bosnians Muslims are justafied in hateing, spreading bigotry about, and generally slandering Christians?
I’ve had friends who were humiliated by Americans at Airports, seperate and picked out to be searched simply because they are Muslims. They don’t break any laws, they are wonderful people, yet they get humiliated, should they be justafied in hateing Americans?
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dolphinlove
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I’m sure you were sincere, that dosen’t mean you didn’t use prayer as a tool. Your have no need to type out a prayer, you certianly didn’t need to include in that prayer charges about the individual, like that they hate the truth.
I never use prayer as a tool to mock or belittle people. Did you actually read Rayaan’s post? Did you not see the context in which they are written? I know when my temper gets the better of me, i fly off a bit myself, and the way his post was written, was pretty much full of hate towards our religion, telling us how wrong we are! My reply to that, say a prayer for this person that Jesus will open his heart, nothing wrong with that is there?
I’m mature enough to dismiss bigotry and reject broad generalizations.
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jkatpc
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Getting back to the OP’s question . . .
Jesus didn’t have to die on the cross. God could have provided salvation for all mankind with just a thought, but He didn’t. C. S. Lewis discusses this in Mere Christianity. Sin creates an impassable breach in the bridge to God, who is perfectly good. Only a perfect offering to Him could repair that breach, and as finite, imperfect beings, we can’t do that by ourselves. If it were otherwise, we would believe that good works alone could gain us heaven. Only God could provide the perfect bridge repair, and he chose to do that by becoming one of us while losing nothing of Himself. Only an infinitely perfect offering could repair that infinitely large breach. How much could we have learned about His love for us and how we should love each other if He thought salvation without providing a footprint on humanity? We learn to love each other, and in that love God, by following the example he provided to us.
Jesus didn’t have to die on the cross. God could have provided salvation for all mankind with just a thought, but He didn’t. C. S. Lewis discusses this in Mere Christianity. Sin creates an impassable breach in the bridge to God, who is perfectly good. Only a perfect offering to Him could repair that breach, and as finite, imperfect beings, we can’t do that by ourselves. If it were otherwise, we would believe that good works alone could gain us heaven. Only God could provide the perfect bridge repair, and he chose to do that by becoming one of us while losing nothing of Himself. Only an infinitely perfect offering could repair that infinitely large breach. How much could we have learned about His love for us and how we should love each other if He thought salvation without providing a footprint on humanity? We learn to love each other, and in that love God, by following the example he provided to us.
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dolphinlove
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Off topic again, sorry folks.
CS Lewis’s book, is this good for a Catholic to read? Only asking cause i thought he wasnt Catholic, thats all…
CS Lewis’s book, is this good for a Catholic to read? Only asking cause i thought he wasnt Catholic, thats all…
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BCven86
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Yes, ‘Mere Christianity’ makes no distinction between Catholic and Non-Catholic and accepted in both schools of thought. His arguments are more directed towards the type of argument you’d be having with an atheist/non-Christian.
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dolphinlove
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Thanks for your answer
God Bless
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RealEstateCarol
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As for Hebrews 6, The Letter to the Hebrews is God’s bridge from the Old Covenant to the New. It was written to Jews who had converted to Christianity and were under intense pressure to go back under the Law. Everything in the letter has to be read from that perspective.
John 6:39
And this is the Father’s will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
John 10:29
My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father’s hand.
Romans 8:38,39
38For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
1Cor 1:21-22
21Now he which stablisheth us with you in Christ, and hath anointed us, is God;
22Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.
You say that you don’t see it possible to separate works and faith, but the Bible says we are not saved by works but by faith alone. (see the verses I posted).
Yes, I do derive my authority from the Bible. The Bible is THE WORD OF GOD. I interpret what is says by comparing it to itself. The Bible cannot contradict itself. If I read something that was written by a man and it contradicts what the Bible says, I ignore it.
“How have you come to believe that scripture is inspired?” By all of the prophecy that has come true. It is 100% accurate. Prophecy is even coming true today.
John 6:39
And this is the Father’s will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
John 10:29
My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father’s hand.
Romans 8:38,39
38For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
1Cor 1:21-22
21Now he which stablisheth us with you in Christ, and hath anointed us, is God;
22Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.
You say that you don’t see it possible to separate works and faith, but the Bible says we are not saved by works but by faith alone. (see the verses I posted).
Yes, I do derive my authority from the Bible. The Bible is THE WORD OF GOD. I interpret what is says by comparing it to itself. The Bible cannot contradict itself. If I read something that was written by a man and it contradicts what the Bible says, I ignore it.
“How have you come to believe that scripture is inspired?” By all of the prophecy that has come true. It is 100% accurate. Prophecy is even coming true today.
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