Did Jesus marry and had children?

[R_not]

** inJesus, the Jesus who is promised for the Muslims by the prophet Muhammad is not any Jewish Masiha. He is the Muslim Masiha, i.e. a follower of Muhammad. he will be a copy of the old Masiha of the Jews ( i.e. Jesus). but he will not be Jesus son of Mary. He must belong to the Ummah of Muhammad.

It is said in the Hadith that he will marry and have children. The Hadith (and Quran) did not say that old Jesus did not marry or did not have children. When it is said that the promised Masiha of the Muslims will marry and have children, it means the old Masiha also married and had children.

That is believable because the Catholics say that Jesus was 100% man. Then he must have married and must have had children. Otherwise he cannot be called 100% man. Please understand. The only thing is that the christians and the Muslims neglected this side of the story of Jesus who went in search of the lost sheep of Israel.**

You assume too much. Prove it by Bible passages - not the koran. You have never proved the Bible was corrupted which means your koran’s versions of the Bible stories are the ones that are corrupt - or made up to suit mohammed’s needs.

You assume because you are weak that everyone else must have the same weaknesses.

 

[OneTrueCathApos]

This thread is about whether Jesus was a married person and had children based on Catholic theology/view.

You are talking about totally different issues which calls for so many threads to clarify your misunderstandings.

Observer, please share to us what your religion is if any?

 

[Observer101]

To those who are degressing from the subject at hand:

James the Brother of Jesus: The Key to Unlocking the Secrets of Early Christianity and the Dead Sea Scrolls – Robert Eisenman

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[kellie]

Hi

I think there are person in the world who claim they are from Jesus lineage; and that is sufficient for me. If Jesus or Catholics said he was from the line of David; I won’t doubt that. Why should I?

It is a normal thing for a human being to get married, if one has the vigour, and children also. If Jesus was a normal person, as some Catholics have admitted here; then I think the onus of proving that Jesus got married and had children like a normal person is on the Catholics? Please

Kindly, therefore, submit your proofs that Jesus did marry and had children also.

Please don’t mind we are just understanding the truth in the things.

I love Jesus and Mary as I do love Buddha and Krishna.

Thanks

paarsurrey,

It is also quite normal for a human to drive a car, although a lot of humans don’t

By your logic, Jesus isn’t man as He never drove

Why do you seem to place so much importance on the marriage issue? Why do you think that “makes” someone human?

Your logic is hugely flawed, and Catholics don’t believe Jesus ever married, however you do, so you prove it.

 

[dolphinlove]

inJesus, the Jesus who is promised for the Muslims by the prophet Muhammad is not any Jewish Masiha. He is the Muslim Masiha, i.e. a follower of Muhammad. he will be a copy of the old Masiha of the Jews ( i.e. Jesus). but he will not be Jesus son of Mary. He must belong to the Ummah of Muhammad.

How can Jesus be a follower of muhammad when he was on earth approx 500 years before hand? How can he be a muslim when the religion only started 500ad approx?

That is believable because the Catholics say that Jesus was 100% man. Then he must have married and must have had children. Otherwise he cannot be called 100% man. Please understand. The only thing is that the christians and the Muslims neglected this side of the story of Jesus who went in search of the lost sheep of Israel.

So, if a man does not get married and have children, he is not a man?
Man, islam gets more and more flawed by the second!

 

[R_not]

How can Jesus be a follower of muhammad when he was on earth approx 500 years before hand? How can he be a muslim when the religion only started 500ad approx?

So, if a man does not get married and have children, he is not a man?
Man, islam gets more and more flawed by the second!

Look what they are comparing Him to - their guy, mohammed. And with all his women, he broke some of the 10 commandments - even taking his stepson’s wife after saying ‘allah told him it was ok’. He killed a lot of men and took their wives (and children) as slaves - and a couple of them he made them wives out of.

islam is only about the carnal self - lust, greed, deception, killing, enslaving, etc. Look at what their heaven is… an orgy of raping women and little boys, and eating.

 

[planten]

**Jesus too must have gone after women after he was relieved from the cross. He was a man and not any angel. The controlled desire for the opposite sex is not any sin. Jesus was a man and a prophet too. The prophets before him had married and led a good married life. There is no harm to Jesus if he also married and brought up a family.

While my prophet Muhammad is being abused constantly, illegally by a Catholic, i have the right to at least expose some wrong ideas of the Catholics. That is
0, the belief of the original sin,

1. that even one day born child is a sinner.
2. that it is a sin for the husband and wife to mate.
3. That it is bad for Mary to have any sex ever in her life. Why is that? Even after giving birth to Jesus, it is believed by the Catholics that Mary never entered into sex affair with Joseph the Carpentar. The names of her children are mentioned in the bible NT. Still Catholics do not like that Mary have any sex affair. Yet Catholics are ready to abuse our prophet Muhammad.
4. That God begat Jesus. But we know that Mary begat Jesus. So who begat Jesus?
5. Did Mary ever say that Jesus was the son of God? It was most essential that her testimony be taken about Jesus as to whose son he was. But we do not see any word from Mary on this subject. The Catholics have confused the matter of the birth of Jesus beyond understanding.

Catholics do not really know whose son is Jesus. Joseph the Carpentar is also very much in the field. But he is also being denied any duty as a husband of Mary. Why is that? The Catholics want that the world believe whatever they say (they wish). Also that the world believe all the abuse they throw on the best of all mankind i.e. Prophet Muhammad.

At least no Muslim will praise the Catholics attitude which is full of hatred. I admit that there are some good persons amongst the Catholics too. But one bad fish can spoil the whole pool.**

 

[R_not]

Jesus too must have gone after women after he was relieved from the cross. He was a man and not any angel. The controlled desire for the opposite sex is not any sin. Jesus was a man and a prophet too. The prophets before him had married and led a good married life. There is no harm to Jesus if he also married and brought up a family.

No one said He was an angel.

No one said it was a sin to have a desire for the opposite sex.

It is a sin though to desire another man’s wife, and here are a few other commandments he broke:

SIX: ‘You shall not murder.’

SEVEN: ‘You shall not commit adultery.’

EIGHT: ‘You shall not steal.’

NINE: ‘You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.’

TEN: ‘You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor’s.’

All of the above mohammed did and encouraged his followers to do against those who disagreed with them.

Christ summed up beautifully what we should do and while mohammed changed that message when he started his murdering rampages, and stole loot, property and people to enslave.

**“Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?” Jesus replied: " ‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments" (Matthew 22:36-40). **
planten;4623040:

While my prophet Muhammad is being abused constantly, illegally by a Catholic, i have the right to at least expose some wrong ideas of the Catholics.

It is not illegal to question mohammed and his sinful ways, his self-proclaimed prophethood, and his numerous false claims. It is illegal in muslim countries - but not in our countries.

It is not a sin to do so either. It is not a sin to question islam.

how can we bash mohammed? He does it so beautifully all by himself if you read the koran and hadiths. All we do is show you what is in those texts.

That is
0, the belief of the original sin,

1. that even one day born child is a sinner.
2. that it is a sin for the husband and wife to mate.
3. That it is bad for Mary to have any sex ever in her life. Why is that? Even after giving birth to Jesus, it is believed by the Catholics that Mary never entered into sex affair with Joseph the Carpentar. The names of her children are mentioned in the bible NT. Still Catholics do not like that Mary have any sex affair. Yet Catholics are ready to abuse our prophet Muhammad.
4. That God begat Jesus. But we know that Mary begat Jesus. So who begat Jesus?
5. Did Mary ever say that Jesus was the son of God? It was most essential that her testimony be taken about Jesus as to whose son he was. But we do not see any word from Mary on this subject. The Catholics have confused the matter of the birth of Jesus beyond understanding.

None of these are wrong - illegal or sinful to question either.

Why is it that you think it is ok to do such a thing to others, but not to think that we should have the right to do the same?

Take note the differences in the issues that you have and the differences we have.

• We question a thug who sets himself up as a prophet, and then kills, steals, enslaves, lusts, tortures, etc people and you worry about whether or not Jesus married and had a kid.
• mohammed redefined sin because he was so sinful and you worry about our belief in original sin. Instead of wondering why mohammed had to redefine sin and questioning how could murdering, or supporting such behavior, is holy.

Catholics do not really know whose son is Jesus. Joseph the Carpentar is also very much in the field. But he is also being denied any duty as a husband of Mary. Why is that? The Catholics want that the world believe whatever they say (they wish). Also that the world believe all the abuse they throw on the best of all mankind i.e. Prophet Muhammad.

At least no Muslim will praise the Catholics attitude which is full of hatred. I admit that there are some good persons amongst the Catholics too. But one bad fish can spoil the whole pool.

We know exactly whose ‘son is Jesus’. You are told by your clerics and mohammed other things and it is you who do not know Him.

You have yet to prove that the Bible was corrupted and until then the koran isn’t even a valid book since it is based on the corruption of the Bible. But you don’t even wonder about that - why can’t you find proof that the Bible was corrupted? (answer: because it isn’t corrupted)

You call some Catholics hateful because they know islam and your prophet. And you don’t like that, so instead of answering any questions you give us what someone termed ‘a comedy hour’. I have to agree and for a moment you have made two people who are usually at odds with each other agree.

I say that you need to ‘get over it’ because it is going to happen more and more that people are going to start realizing what the real islam is. kpeople: the word is getting out and muslims are really upset over that and trying to get the UN to shut us up.

Until later, keep posting - it is very entertaining.

 

[block]

First the same Holy Spirit “inspired” different and contradictory things to so the called writers of Mark, Matthew, Luke, and John.

Second, the bible in which you have “100% inspired belief”, tells you that there were many more things Jesus did, are not mentioned by one of the so called writers of it , therefore not known to you, let alone other people who do not have any belief in your book or never heard of it. Why cannot one of those ‘not known things to even you’ would be Jesus getting married prior to his ministry?

Third, your Bible is not like a book of Science or accurate/believeable history either, therefore, not taught in the schools nor acceptable for secular school curriculam, like how we all learn physics, mathematics, Algebra etc. without any objections.

Jesus was married, his church was his wife. And would it matter if it was respected as a credible book of historical events? I thinks not.

 

[dolphinlove]

**Jesus too must have gone after women after he was relieved from the cross. He was a man and not any angel. The controlled desire for the opposite sex is not any sin. Jesus was a man and a prophet too. The prophets before him had married and led a good married life. There is no harm to Jesus if he also married and brought up a family.

While my prophet Muhammad is being abused constantly, illegally by a Catholic, i have the right to at least expose some wrong ideas of the Catholics. That is
0, the belief of the original sin,

1. that even one day born child is a sinner.
2. that it is a sin for the husband and wife to mate.
3. That it is bad for Mary to have any sex ever in her life. Why is that? Even after giving birth to Jesus, it is believed by the Catholics that Mary never entered into sex affair with Joseph the Carpentar. The names of her children are mentioned in the bible NT. Still Catholics do not like that Mary have any sex affair. Yet Catholics are ready to abuse our prophet Muhammad.
4. That God begat Jesus. But we know that Mary begat Jesus. So who begat Jesus?
5. Did Mary ever say that Jesus was the son of God? It was most essential that her testimony be taken about Jesus as to whose son he was. But we do not see any word from Mary on this subject. The Catholics have confused the matter of the birth of Jesus beyond understanding.

Catholics do not really know whose son is Jesus. Joseph the Carpentar is also very much in the field. But he is also being denied any duty as a husband of Mary. Why is that? The Catholics want that the world believe whatever they say (they wish). Also that the world believe all the abuse they throw on the best of all mankind i.e. Prophet Muhammad.

At least no Muslim will praise the Catholics attitude which is full of hatred. I admit that there are some good persons amongst the Catholics too. But one bad fish can spoil the whole pool.**

Thank you for presenting us with these facts planten, this is a great demonstration of how flawed your beliefs are and how wrong they are.
Your continued efforts to amuse us however, is doing great, you have provided not only me, but others with your outlandish beliefs. Ive sometimes had a belly ache from the laughter…
Keep it up, your very funny…

 

[Jay53]

Sorry, this is probably politically incorrect, but:

 

[dolphinlove]

Yes, he is good at clutching at straws.
The problem is, muslims find it hard to find flaws in Catholicism, so they have to make up things to attack us. While we dont have to make up things about islam, as they are already there waiting to be found as flaws.
I find it funny they way they defend these flaws…

 

[block]

I think we should try to be a little bit more respectful here. He is misguided, but he is still our brother through Christ. And I pray that before his death he will find truth. Peace.

 

[jastor]

I will not say 100% no because I was not there; but considering all the evidence we have I would say 9.9999999 no.

 

[dianaiad]

I will not say 100% no because I was not there; but considering all the evidence we have I would say 9.9999999 no.

Interesting question…and I, a Mormon in the mix, say…I dunno, does it matter?

The thing is, there is some evidence to support the idea that He was married; for one thing, he was a Jew, and He did actually SPEAK in the synagogue and read from the scriptures there, and according to the Jewish laws and traditions of the time, He had to have been married in order to do so.

As well, there is the bit about the women who took care of His body…or tried to take care of it. That also is a task for a wife.

However, neither of the above things are proof, especially in light of the fact that none of the gospels that made it to canonization mention a wife.

Of course, they don’t actually mention that Peter was married, either, but we know HE was. Hmmmnnn.

I guess the question is, why is it so important? How would his having been married alter Who He Was, or is? I know that the very idea that He may have been married causes some consternation–as does the idea that Mary, His mother, may have actually had sex with her husband Joseph and produced other children.

If that turned out to be true, how would it change anything?

Just asking…

 

[Rbt_Southwell]

Interesting question…and I, a Mormon in the mix, say…I dunno, does it matter?

The thing is, there is some evidence to support the idea that He was married; for one thing, he was a Jew, and He did actually SPEAK in the synagogue and read from the scriptures there, and according to the Jewish laws and traditions of the time, He had to have been married in order to do so.

 

[swariffin]

First the same Holy Spirit “inspired” different and contradictory things to so the called writers of Mark, Matthew, Luke, and John.

Second, the bible in which you have “100% inspired belief”, tells you that there were many more things Jesus did, are not mentioned by one of the so called writers of it , therefore not known to you, let alone other people who do not have any belief in your book or never heard of it. Why cannot one of those ‘not known things to even you’ would be Jesus getting married prior to his ministry?

Third, your Bible is not like a book of Science or accurate/believeable history either, therefore, not taught in the schools nor acceptable for secular school curriculam, like how we all learn physics, mathematics, Algebra etc. without any objections.

Is Quran a book of Science or accurate/believable history?

 

[swariffin]

** inJesus, the Jesus who is promised for the Muslims by the prophet Muhammad is not any Jewish Masiha. He is the Muslim Masiha, i.e. a follower of Muhammad. he will be a copy of the old Masiha of the Jews ( i.e. Jesus). but he will not be Jesus son of Mary. He must belong to the Ummah of Muhammad.

It is said in the Hadith that he will marry and have children. The Hadith (and Quran) did not say that old Jesus did not marry or did not have children. When it is said that the promised Masiha of the Muslims will marry and have children, it means the old Masiha also married and had children.

That is believable because the Catholics say that Jesus was 100% man. Then he must have married and must have had children. Otherwise he cannot be called 100% man. Please understand. The only thing is that the christians and the Muslims neglected this side of the story of Jesus who went in search of the lost sheep of Israel.**

Geez, Planten. Why don’t you post this long time ago. In this case, my Jesus is not equal to your “Jesus”. So, my word of God, My Spirit of God and My God is not the same as your God. If you say so long time ago, I would not spent too much time arguing you.

 

[swariffin]

The thing is, there is some evidence to support the idea that He was married; for one thing, he was a Jew, and He did actually SPEAK in the synagogue and read from the scriptures there, and according to the Jewish laws and traditions of the time, He had to have been married in order to do so.

Please kindly quote from the bible that the man who is allowed to read the scriptures in the synagogue must be a married man.

 

[dianaiad]

Not true, Dianaiad.