Did JP2 teach there ar other paths to salvation?

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I vaguel remeber he came dangerously close to this. But I don’t know.

On David Gold’s radio program today a metaphysical catholic called in arguing all religions are paths to God.

Gold is an evangelical Chritian and has mis-stated catholic positions recently. He is not anti-Catholic however. He admires conservative catholics.

But he believes Catholics teach one gets to heaven by works. He honestly beleive that and unfortunately some catholics who call in sort of affirm it.

Anyway, the metaphysical Catholic agree with david that JP2 taught many paths to salvation.

David said he preferred benedict because benedict does not teach that. Another catholic called in and said they preferred JP2 because he taught many paths.

I don’t think JP2 formally taught that. Though i think some of his writings/comments are vague on this.

Can anyone shed light on this? What did JP2 believe/teach on this.
 
It is a dogma of the Church that there is no salvation ouside of Her. If the late Pope contradicted this, we should be praying fervently for his soul.
 
Dauphin said:
It is a dogma of the Church that there is no salvation ouside of Her. If the late Pope contradicted this, we should be praying fervently for his soul.
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If he believed that our prayers will not help him. Maybe we should pray for those who were led into that error by the words and actions of the late Pope.
 
The many paths notion is nonsense. John Paul II clearly taught that anyone who is saved is saved by the merits earned by Jesus Christ and poured out on mankind through the Church founded by Christ and no other. There are no other paths.
 
Somehow I’m not surprised at such a response. Explain this line then:

saying that Heaven is open to all as long as they are good.

I don’t see anything about knowing Christ mentioned there, do you?
 
ajk19 said:
Just posted this in another area, but would fit here as well:

cephas-library.com/catholic/catholic_heaven_for_all_says_pope.html
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Even though I’m not the biggest fan of Pope John Paul II, this article completely misconstrues the thoughts of the Pope. Citing a blatant anti-Catholic website that uses absolutely no sources will not prove your argument. Pope John Paul II signed the document Dominus Iesus, which would seem contrary to your above “source.”
 
Once again I am not surprised. Everytime someone cites a legitimate news link (this one coming out of London if you were paying attention) that says something contrary to the church, instead of trying to defend it, you play the “anti-catholic” card. It never fails.
 
ajk19 said:
Once again I am not surprised.
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Clearly you do not know the teaching of the Church, and this hardly suprises me.
Everytime someone cites a legitimate news link
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This link is hardly legitimate.
that says something contrary to the church, instead of trying to defend it,
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I doubt they know the teaching of the Church on this subject either.
you play the “anti-catholic” card. It never fails.
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Hard to deny the anti-Catholicism of that site. It makes all of your claims illegimate.
 
From what I understand on what JP2 said is there si no salvation outside of the Roman Catholic Church…but…any other denomination has a ‘chance’ of salvation; where we have the direct path with all of our sacraments, etc.
 
SemperFidelis said:
Hard to deny the anti-Catholicism of that site. It makes all of your claims illegimate.
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But again, the source for said link came out of a London Newspaper to begin with. It’s not like it came from this site and nowhere else.
 
SemperFidelis said:
Clearly you do not know the teaching of the Church, and this hardly suprises me.
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Actually I do know what the Church teaches, and it is because of what it teaches that I left it. I began to realize I simply couldn’t agree with it anymore in the face of what I was learning and that was that.
 
ajk19 said:
Actually I do know what the Church teaches, and it is because of what it teaches that I left it.
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Well then, may the Lord have mercy on your soul.
I began to realize I simply couldn’t agree with it anymore in the face of what I was learning and that was that.
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What are your objections to the Church teaching?
 
Various things, papal infallibility, the eucharist, mary being a virgin, purgatory, traditions, that there way is the ONLY way to salvation, etc.

Then there’s the whole thing about Church’s history involving Hitler and the Crusades, their role in the New World Order and that sort of thing as well.
 
ajk19 said:
Various things, papal infallibility, the eucharist, mary being a virgin, purgatory, traditions, that there way is the ONLY way to salvation, etc.

Then there’s the whole thing about Church’s history involving Hitler and the Crusades, their role in the New World Order and that sort of thing as well.
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Maybe some of us can clear your misconceptions…
 
You could try, but I’d rather not have my “misconceptions” “cleared” up. I stand by what I believe and that’s all there is to it.
 
ajk19 said:
Somehow I’m not surprised at such a response. Explain this line then:

saying that Heaven is open to all as long as they are good.

I don’t see anything about knowing Christ mentioned there, do you?
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Obviously, that’s false. I find it highly likely that the reporter got it wrong, not the Pope. If this was indeed the Pope’s sentiment, he was expressing a heresy and I sincerely hope that he confessed it.
 
ajk19 said:
Various things, papal infallibility, the eucharist, mary being a virgin, purgatory, traditions, that there way is the ONLY way to salvation, etc.
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Too many topics to cover on this thread without getting off topic. You should start some new threads regarding your issues.
Then there’s the whole thing about Church’s history involving Hitler and the Crusades, their role in the New World Order and that sort of thing as well.
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The Church was completely against Hitler. Nazism and Catholicism do not mingle. The Crusades on the other hand should not be apologized for. The Muslims attacked first, and the Church felt it necessary to keep the Catholics that were traveling to the Holy Land safe.
 
ajk19 said:
You could try, but I’d rather not have my “misconceptions” “cleared” up. I stand by what I believe and that’s all there is to it.
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Truth cannot be obtained by private interpretation.
 
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