Did Judas betray Jesus?

[BayCityRickL]

The question arises whether Judas betrayed Jesus or whether he carried out a plan that Jesus had arranged with him to hand him over.

The TV script about this says the word translated “betray” also means to “hand over” which does not have such a negative connotation for Judas.

 

[Joe_Kelley]

Matthew 26:24 The Son of Man indeed goes, as it is written of him, but woe to that man by whom the Son of Man is betrayed. It would be better for that man if he had never been born." It would seem rather harsh of Jesus to say this of someone who was carrying out His orders.

 

[HagiaSophia]

BayCityRickL:

The question arises whether Judas betrayed Jesus or whether he carried out a plan that Jesus had arranged with him to hand him over.

The TV script about this says the word translated “betray” also means to “hand over” which does not have such a negative connotation for Judas.

Well he certainly appeared to take it pretty badly.

 

[MrS]

HagiaSophia:

Well he certainly appeared to take it pretty badly.

:clapping:

 

[Toni]

HagiaSophia:

Well he certainly appeared to take it pretty badly.

:clapping: I must also applaud that answer since he did go and hang himself over it. If it was a prearranged plan as you say Judas could have went on in life knowing that he did what was asked of him.

 

[Antonio_B]

BayCityRickL:

The question arises whether Judas betrayed Jesus or whether he carried out a plan that Jesus had arranged with him to hand him over.

The TV script about this says the word translated “betray” also means to “hand over” which does not have such a negative connotation for Judas.

We can try to clean his image all we want, but how is one to explain Jesus’ words to him? “It would have been better for you never to have been born than for you to have betrayed the Son of Man.”

Talk about strong words!

Antonio

 

[dhgray]

BayCityRickL:

The question arises whether Judas betrayed Jesus or whether he carried out a plan that Jesus had arranged with him to hand him over.

Judas had free will, as we all do.

BayCityRickL:

The TV script about this says

When has the TV ever been right about anything?

BayCityRickL:

the word translated “betray” also means to “hand over” which does not have such a negative connotation for Judas.

Who among us have not been a Judas? Who among has not denied/betrayed/ handed over Jesus in some fassion or another? The difference is that we (I hope) ask and receive for forgiveness.

 

[Exporter]

Yep, Matt26:24…strong words, “It is better that you were never born”.

Judas was a man; therefore he had a “free will”. Jesus Himself said Judas betrayed Him.

 

[mlchance]

dhgray:

Who among us have not been a Judas?

Excellent point.

There are two Judases in the Gospels. The first and most obvious is the Judas, meaning Judas Iscariot. The other “Judas” is Peter, who also betrayed Jesus by denying him three times.

– Mark L. Chance.

 

[Paul_W]

The liberal media has rewritten the Gospel to suit their own point of view? Wow! What was the date? I’ll bet it’s the first time this has ever happened.

 

[Antonio_B]

mlchance:

Excellent point.

There are two Judases in the Gospels. The first and most obvious is the Judas, meaning Judas Iscariot. The other “Judas” is Peter, who also betrayed Jesus by denying him three times.

– Mark L. Chance.

But there is quite a difference between the two. One DID NOT repent from his sin, the other did and became the head of the Apostolic College.

Antonio

 

[Fergal]

Jesus, as God, has already judged jJdas whilst on earth. It is all recorded in Sacred Scriptures that indeed Judas did betray the Son of God.

 

[jimmy]

BayCityRickL:

The question arises whether Judas betrayed Jesus or whether he carried out a plan that Jesus had arranged with him to hand him over.

The TV script about this says the word translated “betray” also means to “hand over” which does not have such a negative connotation for Judas.

Of course he betrayed Jesus. If you say otherwise you are basically saying that Jesus was very cruel because he would use a human to betray him, the Son of God. We were given free choice, Judas was no different than any of us.

 

[jimmy]

Jesus said that the one who would betray him would have been better off never being born.

I don’t think he would arrange it so that Judas would have done what he did and then judge him on it.

 

[larryo]

There is no evidence whatsoever of any plan between Jesus and Judas, except in the not so fertile imagination of those who would diminish Jesus’ sacrifice on the cross. When these types of idiots, like those on the Jesus Seminar, make unwarranted claims, the burden should be on them to prove their case. The same goes for the *DaVinci Code *and other similar fairy tales.

 

[mlchance]

Antonio B:

But there is quite a difference between the two. One DID NOT repent from his sin, the other did and became the head of the Apostolic College.

Quite right. And there is probably a really important lesson therein for all of us.



– Mark L. Chance.

 

[YinYangMom]

Matthew 26:24 The Son of Man indeed goes, as it is written of him, but woe to that man by whom the Son of Man is betrayed. It would be better for that man if he had never been born." It would seem rather harsh of Jesus to say this of someone who was carrying out His orders.

That really does seem to spell things out, doesn’t it?
But the free will thing then creeps in…what if Judas had chosen not to betray Jesus??? Was it really possible for him to do so?

It seemed in that passage that Jesus was warning Judas that He knew what he was pondering. Why warn him so harshly if it carried with it the possibility of changing Judas’ mind? I mean, for me, a phrase like that would have shook me to the core and chased away any thoughts of doing anything remotely like betraying Jesus.

Knowing Judas had to betray Him in order to fulfill God’s will I half expected Jesus to say something more forgiving - kind of along the lines of ‘what must be, must be, woe to those who are party to it, but do not be lost for God’s mercy is endless.’ In that way He would have encouraged Judas to seek forgiveness for his role in the overall design of things rather than push him to hang himself. I mean, heck, who could blame Judas for doing so after being given that curse earlier?

I still feel for the guy, but there’s no doubt he **did **betray Jesus.

 

[Fidelis]

Acts 1:16-19 (NAB)
16
[Peter said] "My brothers, the scripture had to be fulfilled which the holy Spirit spoke beforehand through the mouth of David, concerning Judas, who was the guide for those who arrested Jesus.
17
He was numbered among us and was allotted a share in this ministry.
18
He bought a parcel of land with the wages of his iniquity, and falling headlong, he burst open in the middle, and all his insides spilled out.
19
This became known to everyone who lived in Jerusalem, so that the parcel of land was called in their language ‘Akeldama,’ that is, Field of Blood.

The fact that he seen to have commited iniquity implies (a) he was not instructed by Jesus to hand him over and (b) that he had free will to do so. God tempts no one to sin and sin by definition involves free will (James 1:13-15), .

 

[Antonio_B]

Fergal:

Jesus, as God, has already judged jJdas whilst on earth. It is all recorded in Sacred Scriptures that indeed Judas did betray the Son of God.

If this be true, how do you explain man’s free will?

Antonio

 

[mlchance]

YinYangMom:

That really does seem to spell things out, doesn’t it?
But the free will thing then creeps in…what if Judas had chosen not to betray Jesus??? Was it really possible for him to do so?

Augustine wrote that his sins were like forging a slave’s chain shackled to himself. Each sin is a freely chosen act, but also entails a greater and greater erosion of freedom. The only way this chain of sin can be broken is by the grace of God. Otherwise, sin is inevitable. Fortunately, no matter how great the chain forged by sin, there is always enough freedom left to choose God’s grace.

In one respect, it is not unreasonable to say Judas had no choice. Scripture does say that the devil entered him prior to the betrayal of Jesus. OTOH, Judas did have a choice. He could have cried out for the grace of God and been delivered.

– Mark L. Chance.