Did Judas betray Jesus?

[Timidity]

Antonio B:
But there is quite a difference between the two. One DID NOT repent from his sin Yes, he did repent. Go read your Gospels.

 

[jako]

Timidity:

Yes, he did repent. Go read your Gospels.

Timidity
In Matthew 27: 3 - 5 “Then Judas who had betrayed Him, saw that He had been condemned he felt remorse and returned the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders, saying, “I have sinned by betraying innocent blood.” But they said’ “What is that to us? See to that yourself.” And he threw the pieces of silver into the temple sanctuary and departed; and he went away to hang himself.”
By this Judas only realized what he had done. He more than likely did not foresee that the high priests would try to have Him killed. Repentance is realizing what one has done wrong and turning away from this course of action. Also Judas by this time was possessed.
Jesus had just given Judas the bread dipped in wine and then John 13: 27 says, "After the morsel, Satan then entered into him. Therefore Jesus said to him, “What you do. do quickly.”
Judas at the least felt guilty about what he had done but chose suicide rather than true repentance.
James

 

[Tantum_ergo]

There is a fine difference between “repent” and “regret”. I can’t recall where I read this recently, but the main thrust of the argument about “regret” was that “regret” was an egotistical kind of sorrow; more based on how the person’s sense of him/herself as a “good” person is compromised by a particular wrong thought or action, which the person then “regrets”. . .

As opposed to “repent”, which is a humble acknowledgement of error, has nothing to do with the person’s self but everything to do with the person feeling sorrow and contrition over the wrong he or she has done to God. Finally, a person who feels repentence always tries (so far as he or she is able) to ATONE for the sin. A person who “regrets” something quite often never does more than “moan” about HIS regrets, but never does much of anything to make up for them, often feeling that the actions can’t be forgiven, and sinking into depression and even committing suicide from the “regret”. . .

So Judas may have regretted his sin, but he doesn’t appear to have repented for it.

Peter, OTOH, repented his sin. He knew himself (“Depart from me, Lord, for I am a sinful man” was one of his speeches to Jesus), he knew what he had done and he did his best to atone for it, do the right thing, and help others.

Just my :twocents:

 

[Timidity]

jako:

In Matthew 27: 3 - 5 “Then Judas who had betrayed Him, saw that He had been condemned he felt remorse and returned the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders, saying, “I have sinned by betraying innocent blood.” But they said’ “What is that to us? See to that yourself.” And he threw the pieces of silver into the temple sanctuary and departed; and he went away to hang himself.”

I hate it when they rewrite the Bible:
Then Judas, who betrayed him, seeing that he was condemned, repenting himself, brought back the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and ancients…

Matthew 27:3 (Rheims)
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[jako]

Timidity:

I hate it when they rewrite the Bible:
Then Judas, who betrayed him, seeing that he was condemned, repenting himself, brought back the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and ancients…

Matthew 27:3 (Rheims)
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Then why did he kill himself? If he truly repented then he would have been forgiven and he would have moved on. Judas may have regretted what he had done but he did not repent, ie; turn away and move on. Peter repented and moved on. He turned away from his course of action.

 

[deb1]

I had always been taught that Judas was a Zealot. Zealots at the time did not simply mean someone on fire for God, but were a group of people who would use violent means if neccesary to free Israel from Rome. Zealots wanted Israel to be ruled by a member of the line of David. It is possible that Judas thought that turning over Jesus to the authorities would force Jesus’ hand and that our Savior would take a physical throne on earth. When I get time I will post links, but I need to do some research first and that might take me a couple of days.

 

[deb1]

Timidity:

I hate it when they rewrite the Bible:

Then Judas, who betrayed him, seeing that he was condemned, repenting himself, brought back the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and ancients…

Matthew 27:3 (Rheims)

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Just my guess, but words can have more then one meaning. Repent in this context does not seem to mean that he asked GOd for forgiveness, just that he was sorrowful for the betrayal.

 

[Ghosty]

People repent all the time but still fall into despair. It’s called scrupulosity. Judas may have repented, but was horrified by the consequences of his actions and broke under the strain. It’s really impossible to read his heart by his actions, because they can so easily reflect the despair of a repentant but deeply troubled individual, and he was definately deeply troubled.

Judas is just one of many examples of why I take the Bible accounts, Old and New Testament, so seriously. The writers could have turned Judas into a typical “black hat”, a malicious, purely evil character, but instead they show hesitation, regret, and turmoil even after his betrayal. Even the most scathing denounciations of Judas must stand side by side with the accounts of his obvious despair at his actions, a testament to his real humanity I think. Judas is not some cartoon villain, but rather a tragic lost soul like so many we might meet on any given day. He just had the unfortunate opportunity to make his fall that much bigger.

 

[wOoKiE]

what i can’t get my head around is that, without Judas’ betrayal of Jesus, we wouldn’t be saved! :whacky:

 

[Imconfused]

jako:

Then why did he kill himself? If he truly repented then he would have been forgiven and he would have moved on. Judas may have regretted what he had done but he did not repent, ie; turn away and move on. Peter repented and moved on. He turned away from his course of action.

Good point. One in repentance tries hard to redeem themselves. Suicide is hard to reconcile with that.

 

[Imconfused]

Tantum ergo:

There is a fine difference between “repent” and “regret”. I can’t recall where I read this recently, but the main thrust of the argument about “regret” was that “regret” was an egotistical kind of sorrow; more based on how the person’s sense of him/herself as a “good” person is compromised by a particular wrong thought or action, which the person then “regrets”. . .

As opposed to “repent”, which is a humble acknowledgement of error, has nothing to do with the person’s self but everything to do with the person feeling sorrow and contrition over the wrong he or she has done to God. Finally, a person who feels repentence always tries (so far as he or she is able) to ATONE for the sin. A person who “regrets” something quite often never does more than “moan” about HIS regrets, but never does much of anything to make up for them, often feeling that the actions can’t be forgiven, and sinking into depression and even committing suicide from the “regret”. . .

So Judas may have regretted his sin, but he doesn’t appear to have repented for it.

Peter, OTOH, repented his sin. He knew himself (“Depart from me, Lord, for I am a sinful man” was one of his speeches to Jesus), he knew what he had done and he did his best to atone for it, do the right thing, and help others.

Just my :twocents:

Yes, excellent explanation.

 

[Sir_Knight]

Imagine … just imagine … if Judas went to the foot of the cross with John & Mary and asked Jesus for forgiveness … we would have churches & parishes named after St.Judas the Repentant.

But he didn’t.

Instead, he betrayed the Son of God and his final act was a mortal sin – taking his own life!

 

[puzzleannie]

BayCityRickL:

The TV script about this says the word translated “betray” also means to “hand over” which does not have such a negative connotation for Judas.

so a TV script that says “their neighbors and coworkers handed the Jews over to the SS” would not have a negative connotation?
“the Hutus in the congregation handed over the Tutsis to the soldiers to be murdered” does not have negative connotation?

 

[Donna_P]

Judas betrayed Jesus when he despaired of hope in Jesus and killed himself.