Did Judas go to heaven?

[dhgray]

I’m playing off another thread entitled: Was Judas predestend to go to hell?

Here is my question: Did Judas go to heaven?

Was he not repentant and return the money (or at least try)?
The CCC says:

[2282](javascriptpenWindow(‘cr/2282.htm’) If suicide is committed with the intention of setting an example, especially to the young, it also takes on the gravity of scandal. Voluntary co-operation in suicide is contrary to the moral law.
Grave psychological disturbances, anguish, or grave fear of hardship, suffering, or torture can diminish the responsibility of the one committing suicide

[2283](javascriptpenWindow(‘cr/2283.htm’) We should not despair of the eternal salvation of persons who have taken their own lives. By ways known to him alone, God can provide the opportunity for salutary repentance. The Church prays for persons who have taken their own lives.

 

[doomhammer]

dhgray:

I’m playing off another thread entitled: Was Judas predestend to go to hell?

Here is my question: Did Judas go to heaven?

Was he not repentant and return the money (or at least try)?
The CCC says:

[2282](javascriptpenWindow(‘cr/2282.htm’) If suicide is committed with the intention of setting an example, especially to the young, it also takes on the gravity of scandal. Voluntary co-operation in suicide is contrary to the moral law.
Grave psychological disturbances, anguish, or grave fear of hardship, suffering, or torture can diminish the responsibility of the one committing suicide

[2283](javascriptpenWindow(‘cr/2283.htm’) We should not despair of the eternal salvation of persons who have taken their own lives. By ways known to him alone, God can provide the opportunity for salutary repentance. The Church prays for persons who have taken their own lives.

judas’ worst sin was not suicide, was apostasy. he is in hell. he is the son of perdition.

 

[Pax]

Only God knows for sure, but things do not look good for Judas. In Matthew 27:3-5 Scripture says, “When Judas, his betrayer, saw that he was condemned, he repented and brought back the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and the elders, saying, “I have sinned in betraying innocent blood.” They said, “What is that to us? See to it yourself.” And throwing down the pieces of silver in the temple, he departed; and he went and hanged himself.”

It would appear that Judas had what the apostle Paul calls a earthly/ worldly repentance. Paul says the following in this regard: “For godly grief produces a repentance that leads to salvation and brings no regret, but worldly grief produces death.”[2 Cor 7:10] Jesus also makes a comment about Judas that is not favorable. In Matthew 26:24, Jesus says “The Son of man goes as it is written of him, but woe to that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! It would have been better for that man if he had not been born.”

All of this tends to paint a rather negative picture of Judas’ ultimate destination. It can be useful to compare and contrast the betrayal by Judas with the denial by Peter. Judas apparently had a worldly grief that led to death while Peter had a godly grief that leads to salvation.

I hope this helps.

 

[JSmitty2005]

doomhammer:

judas’ worst sin was not suicide, was apostasy. he is in hell. he is the son of perdition.

:yup:

 

[masterjedi747]

doomhammer:

he is in hell. he is the son of perdition.

sigh Here we go again… http://forums.catholic-questions.org/images/icons/icon4.gif PLEASE READ THIS POST http://forums.catholic-questions.org/images/icons/icon4.gif

Regardless of how much evidence there might be to suggest/support it, and however convincing such evidence might be, the fact remains that we don’t yet know for certain that Judas is in Hell. It’s still remotely possible that he did repent at the last minute, and is simply spending thousands and thousands of years in Purgatory. Heck, if you pray for him now, it’s possible that God might even be able to apply those graces backwards in time in order to do the unthinkable. Is it probable? No…but it’s possible, and that’s all that matters.

That being said…if I had to bet, I would expect that he’s in Hell. But that doesn’t mean I’m right, or that I’ll stop praying for him…because as confident as I am, I’d still like to be wrong.

 

[alterserver_07]

sigh Here we go again… http://forums.catholic-questions.org/images/icons/icon4.gif PLEASE READ THIS POST http://forums.catholic-questions.org/images/icons/icon4.gif

Regardless of how much evidence there might be to suggest/support it, and however convincing such evidence might be, the fact remains that we don’t yet know for certain that Judas is in Hell. It’s still remotely possible that he did repent at the last minute, and is simply spending thousands and thousands of years in Purgatory. Heck, if you pray for him now, it’s possible that God might even be able to apply those graces backwards in time in order to do the unthinkable. Is it probable? No…but it’s possible, and that’s all that matters.

That being said…if I had to bet, I would expect that he’s in Hell. But that doesn’t mean I’m right, or that I’ll stop praying for him…because as confident as I am, I’d still like to be wrong.

This is right, there is really no way we can know if he is in heaven or hell. We could not possibly say, only God knows. Ther is no question that Jesus forgave him, ofcourse, the question would be if he forgave himself, which seems like he didn’t because he hung himself, but we don’t know. You never know, he could have had no free will because the devil took over it.

 

[alterserver_07]

Which, I will add, would not make him responsible for his suicide and therefor maybe in heaven.

 

[Fuerza]

Pax:

Only God knows for sure

I’m sure that Judas has a pretty good idea too

 

[imroc]

I do not feel it is proper for us to determine things like this. I’m just being honest. We talk about something that happened nearly 2000 years ago, but let’s step back in time. Say you were Judas’ mother, spiritual or biological. Would you want people discussing the fate of your son publicly as if he were some piece of dung? I don’t speak highly of Judas by any means (go figure), but he is human and his judgement, whether it be happiness or torment, is really personal. I do not wish for NOBODY to be in hell. From the explanations described by those who had visions, it’s a most serious torment that seems rather indescribable.

I guess I should ask this question though. Have any of you ever prayed for Judas? I haven’t. Should we?

 

[YADA]

It is up to our Lord to decide the fate of Judas. It is my responsibility to live the life Jesus asks of me and “work out my (own) salvation with fear and trembling.”

Personally, I would not judge Judas nor speculate upon the unforgivable nature of his sins. I have my own to sins for which I will stand in account for at judgement day.

My understanding is that the Church speaks with great certainty about those who are in heaven (our Mother Mary and others) but has never pronounced condemnation and certainty who is in Hell, I defer to Holy Mother Church. We pray that all who have left this life be brought to the glory of God. God is generous, forgiving and all that is good.

We should hope and pray that Judas sought repentence and recieved forgiveness. I hope that 2000 years after my death there are not any people condeming me to hell, no matter how sinful I may be or might have been. Glad that I have my hope and faith in Jesus and not mankind.

 

[doomhammer]

sigh Here we go again… http://forums.catholic-questions.org/images/icons/icon4.gif PLEASE READ THIS POST http://forums.catholic-questions.org/images/icons/icon4.gif
Regardless of how much evidence there might be to suggest/support it, and however convincing such evidence might be, the fact remains that we don’t yet know for certain that Judas is in Hell. It’s still remotely possible that he did repent at the last minute, and is simply spending thousands and thousands of years in Purgatory. Heck, if you pray for him now, it’s possible that God might even be able to apply those graces backwards in time in order to do the unthinkable. Is it probable? No…but it’s possible, and that’s all that matters.
That being said…if I had to bet, I would expect that he’s in Hell. But that doesn’t mean I’m right, or that I’ll stop praying for him…because as confident as I am, I’d still like to be wrong.

… and here goes again….
Is it not necessary a dogma to realize that Judas is in hell. (As Catholics we have a lot of believes that are not dogmas).
What do we have? Scripture, the teaching of the most important theologians, and common sense. Scripture: “It would have been better for him if he would never have been born” (Mt. 26:24); “son of perdition” (Jn. 17:12); Psalm 109; “For it is written in the Book of Psalms: ‘Let his encampment become desolate, and may no one dwell in it.’ And: ‘May another take his office.’” Acts 1:20.
Someone explain HOW if Judas is in heaven (or purgatory (just a temporary state)) “It would have been better for him if he would never have been born”.
Theologians St. Augustine, St. Ambrose, St. Thomas Aquinas, etc. etc. etc. I do not see any good reason to contradict their teachings. The good feelings about Judas seem to be complete baseless sentiments.
And common sense: imagine how a great sight in heaven: Christ reigning with St. Peter and St. Paul and Judas! Nero and the martyrs! The heretics and the Saints! The Good Thief and the Bad Thief! Abortionists and their innocent victims! Herod and the Innocent Saints!
Last minute convertion? The Good Thief was only one. You need more than a minute to accept the Truth rejected, despised, hated, during a whole life.

 

[JSmitty2005]

Here’s a saint for you all:

Alphonsus Ligouri said of Judas, “Poor Judas! Above seventeen hundred years have elapsed since he has been in Hell, and his Hell is still only beginning” (Preparation for Death, p. 127)

 

[dhgray]

doomhammer:

judas’ worst sin was not suicide, was apostasy. he is in hell. he is the son of perdition.

CCC
[1037](javascriptpenWindow(‘cr/1037.htm’) God predestines no one to go to hell

 

[JSmitty2005]

dhgray:

CCC
[1037](javascriptpenWindow(‘cr/1037.htm’) God predestines no one to go to hell

Okay? What doomhammer said in no way implies that God predestined Judas to Hell. All they said was that he apostacized (sp?). That’s an act of the will.

 

[doomhammer]

Quote:
Originally Posted by dhgray
CCC
1037 God predestines no one to go to hell

JSmitty2005:

Okay? What doomhammer said in no way implies that God predestined Judas to Hell. All they said was that he apostacized (sp?). That’s an act of the will.

Thank you my friend, you perfectly understood me.
I do not want to mix topics, and about Judas’ damnation we have many aspects to consider.
Without mixing them.
Regarding predestination the Church’s position is quite clear: The council of Valence taught: “…[the council] holds, in regard to divine predestination … that in election, the mercy of God precedes good merits [on the part of men]: but that in the damnation of those who are lost, evil merits precede the just judgment of God.”
There are many threads on this matter and the position is clear.
Regarding the mortal sin (those evil merits that preceded the just judgment of God) that sent Judas to hell, I just wanted to point out that it was APOSTASY and not SUICIDE the cause of Judas’ damnation.
I did that because many posters wrongly believe that Judas is (or must be) in hell because he committed suicide.

 

[dhgray]

But didn’t Judice repent?
Matthew 27:3-4:

Then Judas, his betrayer, seeing that Jesus had been condemned, deeply regretted what he had done. He returned the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders, saying, “I have sinned in betraying innocent blood.” They said, “What is that to us? Look to it yourself.”

 

[JSmitty2005]

dhgray:

But didn’t Judice repent?

See post #3.

 

[dhgray]

jewish scene:

Vatican moves to clear Judas’ name

**Proposed ‘rehabilitation’ of the man who was paid 30 pieces of silver to identify Jesus to Roman soldiers in the Garden of Gethsemane, comes on the ground that he was not deliberately evil, but was just ‘fulfilling his part in God’s plan, the London Times reports **
Ynetnews

ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3199362,00.html

 

[VociMike]

One thing that I think is worth noting is that when Jesus made the comment about it being better if he were never born, Judas was in a state of mortal sin, having already agreed to betray Christ. So at that moment, it would indeed have been better if he were never born. However, that does not say that Judas did not repent and seek forgiveness after Christ spoke those words. What I am saying is that the phrase “better that he had never been born” could apply to any person in mortal sin, but that does not mean that such sin cannot be forgiven.

 

[dhgray]

“better that he had never been born” could apply to any person in mortal sin, but that does not mean that such sin cannot be forgiven.

AMEN