Did Luther claim for himself that infallibility, which he would not allow to the Church of Christ?

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Reuben_J said:
He did not have to claim infallibility because an infallible teaching does not state it is an infallible teaching.

More importantly was what he did with his teaching, which was enough for him to break off from the Church that he was a part of. That in itself speaks pretty much of its infallibly on his part.

For those who do not have the word infallibility in their usage, it is just the same as about being confidently right. Otherwise without that, which is pretty much in saying infaiblility anyway, then all that has been done in the last five hundred years is just based on gut feeling that might be wrong.

I think it is perfectly alright for ML to claim infallibility in his teaching or a close equivalent of it. I could not imagine one would give one’s life for something much less. But of course, there’s people that do just that.
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HUH?? You lost me a few infallibles back! God Bless, Memaw
 
Peter_J said:
But I think RCW’s point is that you don’t necessarily have to exercise infallibility in order to say something true.
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Right. And I think the OP is addressing a particular position that Evangelicals take when they assert something they believe. That is, when they claim and teach something to be true without acknowledging that they could be wrong.
 
rcwitness said:
Right. And I think the OP is addressing a particular position that Evangelicals take when they assert something they believe. That is, when they claim and teach something to be true without acknowledging that they could be wrong.
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When you assert something you believe to be true and in complete agreement with your Church or Scripture : do you acknowledge you could be wrong?

for ex
I believe that God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life to be true:

am I to acknowledge I could be wrong?

Do you also believe that God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life to be true:

would you acknowledge you could be wrong?
 
alwayswill said:
When you assert something you believe to be true and in complete agreement with your Church or Scripture : do you acknowledge you could be wrong?

for ex
I believe that God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life to be true:

am I to acknowledge I could be wrong?
would you acknowledge you could be wrong?
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we’ve already addressed this. You would be repeating Scripture, which has already been infallible declared Inerrant.
 
rcwitness said:
we’ve already addressed this. You would be repeating Scripture, which has already been infallible declared Inerrant.
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ok i’ll move from repeating / quoting Scripture , to summerizing the whole council of Scripture

Do you there is one God in three Divine Persons?
Do you acknowledge you could be wrong?
 
alwayswill said:
ok i’ll move from repeating / quoting Scripture , to summerizing the whole council of Scripture

Do you there is one God in three Divine Persons?
Do you acknowledge you could be wrong?
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The Trinity was defined at Nicea, I believe…
 
rcwitness said:
Yes I believe. No i can’t be wrong, because it has been Infallible declared by the Church.
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ok once last question in this line:

Do you believe that it is absolutely necessary for salvation that every human creature be subject to the Roman Pontiff?

Do you acknowledge you could be wrong?
 
alwayswill said:
ok once last question in this line:

Do you believe that it is absolutely necessary for salvation that every human creature be subject to the Roman Pontiff?

Do you acknowledge you could be wrong?
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Yes, it’s commanded in Scripture.

…be subject to every human institution."​
 
rcwitness said:
Yes, it’s commanded in Scripture.

…be subject to every human institution."
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“But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse!”

And i absolutely believe that no one’s salvation will ever be dependent upon their submission to Clinton or Trump:
And I know I am correct:
That doesn’t mean I am infallible.

Thank you for responses:​
 
rcwitness said:
I think the OP is addressing a particular position that Evangelicals take when they assert something they believe. That is, when they claim and teach something to be true without acknowledging that they could be wrong.
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FWIW, I did not interpret the OP in this sense.

I think the OP was making a simple point rather than the deeper issues you’re raising.

The OP used an obscure out-of-context quote from Luther in order to say the answer to the question asked was, YES:* Luther claimed for himself that infallibility, which he would not allow to the Church of Christ*.

The quote itself served as a typical snippet of propaganda, pieced together from multiple paragraphs (spanning at least three pages). The reference given was to a text most people could not locate and also written in a language probably most here cannot read.

As I stated earlier, I’ve not read any of Dpoc41’s other posts previous to this discussion, so this is only a guess as to the intention as to why this particular Luther quote was posted.

Thanks though for the interesting dialog on related issues.🙂
 
alwayswill said:
“But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse!”

And i absolutely believe that no one’s salvation will ever be dependent upon their submission to Clinton or Trump:
And I know I am correct:
That doesn’t mean I am infallible.

Thank you for responses:
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This question deserves a thread of its own, if you care to understand my perspective. I don’t think a Christian who commits a felony and does not seek reconciliation for serious crimes against the State are in a right standing with God.
 
Wannano said:
Hi rc, just checking to be sure…is the Catholic Church to be considered a human institution?
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Good question. Depends if that means who instituted it, or if it is governed by humans… but I think regardless, the Church of God contains higher laws.
 
rcwitness said:
Good question. Depends if that means who instituted it, or if it is governed by humans… but I think regardless, the Church of God contains higher laws.
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The question you were responding to was whether or not a persons salvation is dependent on his subjection to the Roman Pontiff. I took it to mean that I as a non-Catholic not in submission to the Pope would not have salvation from God because Jesus instructed us to be subject to all human institutions.
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Wannano said:
The question you were responding to was whether or not a persons salvation is dependent on his subjection to the Roman Pontiff. I took it to mean that I as a non-Catholic not in submission to the Pope would not have salvation from God because Jesus instructed us to be subject to all human institutions.
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But the Bishop of Rome has not required anything of you, as a separated brother, which you reject that puts you into serious danger, right? Mormons and Jehova Witness may be another story.
 
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