Did Mary ever sin?

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HI,
A couple thoughts on Mary’s status of being sinless.
The Magnificat in Luke 1:46-55. These are prophetic verses.

1.vs. 48 All generations will call me blessed.​

The church has been calling her blessed from ancient times.

Prophecy fullfilled.

2. Why is the magnificat even mentioned if the Holy Spirit​

Did’nt think it important.

3. In light of : 1 Samuel 8, He raises the poor from the dust, he lifts the needy from the dunghill to give them a place with princes, to assign them a seat of honour ; for to YAHEWH​

belong the pillars of the earth, on these he has poised the world. Psalm 103: 17, But YAHEW’S faithful love for those who fear him is from eternity and forever;] and his saving justice to their children’s children; as long as they keep his covenant, and carefully obey his precepts. There are many more verses . Enjoy some scripture.

Job 5 : 11; 12: 19; Psalm 98: 2; Psalm 107: 9 Isaiah 41; 8-9

Peace
Onenow1
 
ALLFORHIM said:
Of course I was also shocked when I found out the CC teaches Mary was sinless and a virgin her whole life But Im glad to hear the other is not true. PHEW. Thanks for clearing that up for me.😃
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But we’re not the only ones who believe that.

My thanks to San Juan Catholic Seminars for publishing this in their Beginning Apologetics # 5 booklet.

The Perpetual Virginity of Mary:

Martin Luther: “ It is an article of faith that Mary is Mother of the Lord and still a virgin… Christ, we believe, came forth from a womb left perfectly intact.” ( Works of Luther, Vol. 11, pages 319-320; Vol. 6, page 510.)

John Calvin: “ There have been certain folk who have wished to suggest from this passage [Matthew 1:25] that the Virgin Mary had other children than the Son of God, and that Joseph had then dwelt with her later; but what folly this is! For the gospel writer did not wish to record what happened afterwards; he simply wished to make clear Joseph’s obedience and to show that Joseph had been well and truly assured that it was God who had sent His angel to Mary. He had therefore never dwelt with her nor had he shared her company… And beside this Our Lord Jesus Christ is called the first-born. This is not because there was a second or a third, but because the gospel writer is paying regard to the precedence. Scripture speaks thus of naming the first-born whether or no there was any question of the second.” (Sermon on Matthew 1:22-25. Published in 1562.)

Ulrich Zwingli: “I firmly believe that Mary, according to the words of the gospel, as a pure Virgin brought forth for us the Son of God and in childbirth and after childbirth forever remained a pure, intact Virgin.” ( Zwingli Opera, Vol. 1, page 424.)
 
VociMike said:
Fine, but note that your clear understanding of the verse means that baptized babies who die will not go to heaven.
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LOL…please go back and read my posts and perhaps you will uncover the point I was making. My argument was NOT in favor of the absolute literalist approach, nor was it in favor of personal interpretations…quite the opposite on both points.

It amuses me to read how people on these threads tend to jump at the chance to correct their follow Catholics, even though their fellow Catholics are making a much different point then they think and they do NOT need correcting.

Thanks, sincerely, for caring. 🙂
 
Tom317 said:
LOL…please go back and read my posts and perhaps you will uncover the point I was making. My argument was NOT in favor of the absolute literalist approach, nor was it in favor of personal interpretations…quite the opposite on both points.

It amuses me to read how people on these threads tend to jump at the chance to correct their follow Catholics, even though their fellow Catholics are making a much different point then they think and they do NOT need correcting.

Thanks, sincerely, for caring. 🙂
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I apologize for my lack of perception. I had no idea you were a fellow Catholic since it’s not in your profile.
 
ALLFORHIM said:
Me neither until I heard it on this forum. It was probably before the crash. I kid you not. Put out a thread and see. Imagine my shock.:eek: Of course I was also shocked when I found out the CC teaches Mary was sinless and a virgin her whole life.😛 But Im glad to hear the other is not true. PHEW. Thanks for clearing that up for me.😃
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AFH, could you be interpreting “Mary was Immaculately conceived” (which Catholics do teach) to mean “Mary was born of a Virgin” (which Catholics don’t teach)? Though are two totally different statements. I would correct any Catholic that made the latter claim, as well as expect any person on these forums to correct me if I’m wrong (as has been demonstrated numerous times in the past;)).
 
YES!
100% human, of course she did, if not… you guys are not praying through her you must be praying to her!
 
myfavoritmartin said:
Hi NW! didn’t want to read but felt compelled to respond.
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How ya’ doin’ Martin? I’m still confused with the “100% human” arguement. You know we Catholics think Mary is 100% human, so why are you arguing that point?

That’s something are recently suspended friend, Squeekster, would claim - not you.
 
Let’s see how reliable myfavoritmartin’s line of reasoning is here…

Premise: A being is “100% human”.
Conclusion: That being has sinned!

Test premise: Jesus WAS 100% human.
Followed to its logical conclusion: Jesus must have sinned.

Sorry, but it doesn’t hold up. Back to the ol’ drawing board.
 
squeekster said:
If Mary was a human being, then it is completely ludicrous to believe she never sinned. There is NO Scriptural evidence to show otherwise. The idea that Mary was sinless is nothing more than a fairy tale. Period.
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You are obviously not a Catholic because if you were then you would be aware of the Dogma The Immaculate conception, which means Mary was preserved by a special grace from Original Sin, because of the future work and merits of her son Jesus. Her cleansing from Original was pre empted because of her role as Mater Dei, or even Redemptoris Mater.
Without the inclination to sin, it is conceivable that Mary, whilst being tempted (because of her humanity) was able to reject the temptation. Her choice was always for God. In our humanity our choice is always divided.
 
Take it in baby steps:

Do you think Mary was capable of sinning for the 9 months that she was joined to Jesus in her womb?
 
On another note, I can’t believe this thread has gone for 114 posts and not once has the word Kecharitomone been used or explained. Interesting.
 
NotWorthy said:
AFH, could you be interpreting “Mary was Immaculately conceived” (which Catholics do teach) to mean “Mary was born of a Virgin” (which Catholics don’t teach)? Though are two totally different statements. I would correct any Catholic that made the latter claim, as well as expect any person on these forums to correct me if I’m wrong (as has been demonstrated numerous times in the past;)).
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Hi,
Probably, could you explain the difference please.😃
 
ALLFORHIM said:
Hi,
Probably, could you explain the difference please.😃
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“Immaculately conceived” means that she was conceived without the lack of grace that constitutes the state of original sin. You might think of it as though she was baptised the instant she was conceived. Not such a hard thing for God, wouldn’t you say?

“Virgin-born” is pretty clear.
 
VociMike said:
I apologize for my lack of perception. I had no idea you were a fellow Catholic since it’s not in your profile.
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No big deal…I think these threads tend to become waaay too heated at times…most of us have a fairly good grasp of the faith. 🙂
 
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