Did Mary (The Mother of our Savior) Need a Savior?

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It was planned out by God that Jesus would come through her. So yes, she is/was obviously important. I do not deny that.
 
PumpkinSeed said:
It was planned out by God that Jesus would come through her. So yes, she is/was obviously important. I do not deny that.
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In the beginning, God created two perfect, sinless human natures. They were sinless until… Yet, neither was designed or destined to bring God to mankind. Neither was intended for mankind’s redemption. Neither was conceived of and designed within the Divine intellect for the sole purpose of giving flesh to God’s human nature.
 
po18guy said:
In the beginning, God created two perfect, sinless human natures. They were sinless until… Yet, neither was designed or destined to bring God to mankind. Neither was intended for mankind’s redemption. Neither was conceived of and designed within the Divine intellect for the sole purpose of giving flesh to God’s human nature.
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Through God anything is possible. I think he has it worked out. No need to worry.
 
po18guy said:
How else do we inherit a sinful nature

? Nature is the flesh.]interesting thought. Not sure if you are right though . Part of it is that we have a sinful nature because we have no spiritual nature or life .Again, I am not sure flesh by itself is “sinful”. It is like does God resist us at birth because we have original sin, or did He just withdraw from our birth ,leaving us spiritually dead, as part of the curse ? yes we inherit a sinful nature but not because we are flesh,for we are flesh, saved or unsaved, glorified or unglorified (in the future)…If there were no sin we would still be born in the flesh, but with a balanced Godly spirit.
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david_ruiz said:
interesting thought. Not sure if you are right though . Part of it is that we have a sinful nature because we have no spiritual nature or life .Again, I am not sure flesh by itself is “sinful”. It is like does God resist us at birth because we have original sin, or did He just withdraw from our birth ,leaving us spiritually dead, as part of the curse ? yes we inherit a sinful nature but not because we are flesh,for we are flesh, saved or unsaved, glorified or unglorified (in the future)…If there were no sin we would still be born in the flesh, but with a balanced Godly spirit.
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I do hope that you agree that Jesus, to fulfill prophecy, had to have a blood connection to His “David His father” (Luke 1:32).
 
Tietjen said:
Yes, Mary needed and had a Savior. It’s like this… if a child playing near a pool falls in but is then rescued by her father, she has been saved. However, if her father places a wall around the pool so that the child cannot fall in, she has also been saved. God is outside of time and He saved Mary before she fell into the pool.
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Tietjen:

Thanks for one of the better explanations of the Immaculate Conception.
 
The Mary was important, was like pulling teeth. Foward progress.👍
 
PumpkinSeed said:
It was planned out by God that Jesus would come through her. So yes, she is/was obviously important. I do not deny that.
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Mary is a queen.

All of the Kings in the Old Testament appointed their mother to the position of Queen. Solomon sat his mother Bathsheba on a throne. Only kings and queens sit on thrones. Bathsheba, the mother of Solomon, was a queen. 1 & 2 Kings and 1 & 2 Chronicles documents twenty seven “Queen-Mothers.” The Queen was the second most important person in the kingdom. The queen had more power than anyone else in the kingdom, second only to the King. All bow when the queen walks into the room.

Jesus is the King of kings, and like the kings of the Old Testament, his Mother is a Queen. But unlike the earthly kings and queens of the Old Testament, Jesus is a King in Heaven and so his Mother is Queen of Heaven and Earth.

As a queen, Mary is second in God’s kingdom only to her Son the King. Only Jesus the King has more glory, honor and power than Mary his Queen. Think about that for a moment. Mary is above all the saints, and above all the angels. The angels and saints in heaven bow before Jesus their King and Jesus’ Mother, their Queen.

Do you want to know how glorius Mary is? The Seraphim who minister to God in Heaven veil their face for fear of looking at him, but Mary stands in God’s presence and intercedes on behalf of the whole human race. Mary stands in the presence of God where angels fear to go.

-Tim-
 
po18guy said:
I do hope that you agree that Jesus, to fulfill prophecy, had to have a blood connection to His “David His father” (Luke 1:32).
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Yes.but what does that mean,medically ,scientifically ,or is it a general term to mean lineage as" coming from"
 
po18guy said:
In the beginning, God created two perfect, sinless human natures. They were sinless until… Yet, neither was designed or destined to bring God to mankind. Neither was intended for mankind’s redemption. Neither was conceived of and designed within the Divine intellect for the sole purpose of giving flesh to God’s human nature.
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Of course they were designed to have union with God. Even after the fall this is possible. Don’t understand then your “bring God to mankind”. We are designed to bring man to God,as in, “for God so chose by the foolishness of preaching should men be saved”. Redemption was promised thru Eve ,but not after the" ways of a man" as David suggested (one of the first prophecies of a “divine” birth for the Messiah). I do believe Eve was designed to give flesh (Cain and Abel), and down the road, to a Redeemer . From her seed would come the Messiah. Gen. 3;15 does suggest “Eve” was designed, even after the fall, to “give flesh to God”. Perhaps I misunderstand you .Fascinating though ,thank-you.
 
stewstew03 said:
“Mary was important.”
Nice understatement PumpkinSeed…👍
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Oh come on now, Mr. Thesaurus 😃

I know how blessed and great Mary is. She is actually the queen of heaven mentioned in revelations, not only that, but she is the Mother of God. No need to tell me.

Can’t get much better than that, can you?
 
david_ruiz said:
Yes.but what does that mean,medically ,scientifically ,or is it a general term to mean lineage as" coming from"
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It is safe to believe that it means all aspects of the Davidic Kingship. We are speaking of the actions of almighty God here!
 
david_ruiz said:
Of course they were designed to have union with God. Even after the fall this is possible. Don’t understand then your “bring God to mankind”. We are designed to bring man to God,as in, “for God so chose by the foolishness of preaching should men be saved”. Redemption was promised thru Eve ,but not after the" ways of a man" as David suggested (one of the first prophecies of a “divine” birth for the Messiah). I do believe Eve was designed to give flesh (Cain and Abel), and down the road, to a Redeemer . From her seed would come the Messiah. Gen. 3;15 does suggest “Eve” was designed, even after the fall, to “give flesh to God”. Perhaps I misunderstand you .Fascinating though ,thank-you.
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History will record that the use of “mobile devices” was the initiator of the end of comprehensible human language.
 
PumpkinSeed said:
Oh come on now, Mr. Thesaurus 😃

I know how blessed and great Mary is. She is actually the queen of heaven mentioned in revelations, not only that, but she is the Mother of God. No need to tell me.

Can’t get much better than that, can you?
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I approve. I mean, I…[hmm, looking for synonym in thesaurus…]
 
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