Did Mary (The Mother of our Savior) Need a Savior?

[david_ruiz]

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CopticChristian;9191797:

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D.R,

Seriously. I rarely like invoking the fact that I am a Physician. The fact that maternal and fetal cells mix is common knowledge. The NIH website is where you find scientific articles on the topic.

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22163064

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21912719

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21547031

You do not believe that the fetus and maternal blood are not mixed. What is the purpose of the placenta? Maternal blood crosses from the placenta to the fetus and vice versa. Maternal and fetal cells transfer as well.

You did not look in the right place and you are wrong that the maternal and fetal blood do not mix. You may want to look up Rh factor and things like that.

It is no myth. You are wrong.. I totally succumb to your (name removed by moderator)ut on Chimerism or at least microchimerism. Indeed cells can transfer to and fro. As far as blood ,well maybe it’s our terminology but generally speaking they do not mix ,though they come very close in order to exchange "the goods and bads -air components ,nutrients ,waste, " but beyond that, it t is too dangerous ( blood types, anti - immune rejecting etc) But again, thank-you for your patience, and I withdraw my premise that there is no flesh mixing ,hence no need for a perfect Mary ,under CC thinking .My premise was weak anyways cause the original egg and dna are directly from the mother anyways, as I pointed out .So I rest on my final escape clause, for my science is weak, which questioned the whole need for fleshly perfection in Mary due to her spiritual perfection, via faith in the blood of the Lamb …As a side note appreciating your background, I was fascinated to ponder for the first time ever from the Catholic perspective, the perfect dna of both Jesus and Mary . Did they both look as perfect as one might imagine the first Adam and Eve, whatever perfect might be (Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie ? - not). Did they age like fallen dna/man,under the curse ? Would Jesus have lived forever had it not been for Calvary ? Just pondering (can’t be worse than watching an evening of tv or video games)…thanks again and apologies as noted

 

[david_ruiz]

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Life Inside the Womb: Implications for Newborn and Infant Nurses **

Kim LaMar, ND, RNC, CNNP; Cheryl Hamernik, MSN, RNC, CNNP****

Neonatal Experts Organization (NEO), University of Michigan Hospitals, Ann Arbor, MI

The notion of the mixing is accurate however red blood cell antigens and fetal cells do pass through the Placenta.

Now remmember that this is based on technology we have today 2012. What will be discovered in 100 years will add to that information as what and how things transfer through the Placenta will be different and better understood. This was not known at the time of the Reformation.

Thank-you. I could register as a consumer to the site . Did not at this point for iron sharpens iron, and I respectfully place my blunted sword in it’s sheath regarding mother/unborn child “mixing”. You were very patient with me, and you the doctor !

 

[CopticChristian]

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. I totally succumb to your (name removed by moderator)ut on Chimerism or at least microchimerism. Indeed cells can transfer to and fro. As far as blood ,well maybe it’s our terminology but generally speaking they do not mix ,though they come very close in order to exchange "the goods and bads -air components ,nutrients ,waste, " but beyond that, it t is too dangerous ( blood types, anti - immune rejecting etc) But again, thank-you for your patience, and I withdraw my premise that there is no flesh mixing ,hence no need for a perfect Mary ,under CC thinking .My premise was weak anyways cause the original egg and dna are directly from the mother anyways, as I pointed out .So I rest on my final escape clause, for my science is weak, which questioned the whole need for fleshly perfection in Mary due to her spiritual perfection, via faith in the blood of the Lamb …As a side note appreciating your background, I was fascinated to ponder for the first time ever from the Catholic perspective, the perfect dna of both Jesus and Mary . Did they both look as perfect as one might imagine the first Adam and Eve, whatever perfect might be (Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie ? - not). Did they age like fallen dna/man,under the curse ? Would Jesus have lived forever had it not been for Calvary ? Just pondering (can’t be worse than watching an evening of tv or video games)…thanks again and apologies as noted

D.R.,

The only one that can change your mind is you.

 

[LittleSoldier]

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babyzone.com/pregnancy/fetal-development/anatomy-fetus-placenta_70439

"does fetal blood mix with mothers " and you get a bunch of the sAME ANSWERS.sORRY ,YOU WERE VERY GOOD WITH YOUR SOURCES, I DO NOT KNOW HOW TO ADD THE LINK, JUST PASTED IT…JUST TRIED IT AND IT WORKS! THANKS FOR YOUR PATIENCE

David, or CopticChristian, or whoever - will you please fix the QUOTE function? I can’t follow this discussion at all. I don’t know who said what. There are four QUOTES at the beginning of this post! It’s getting worse with each post! (PLEASE NOTE ALL THE QUOTES ABOVE IN THIS POST which was really written by me - LittleSoldier.

If you write a post and preview it then you’ll be able to see if there is a problem. Then you can just go back into your post (before posting it) and remove the extra QUOTE(s) from the beginning of your post, preview it again to make sure it is correct, and then post it.

This is a problem that I’m seeing everywhere. Maybe there’s a glitch in the software but it’s easy to fix on a post-by-post basis. And then we will all know the correct poster to whom we should attribute the words presented in a post. (Nice last sentence, huh? I didn’t leave anything dangling and I even used the word “whom”. )

 

[LittleSoldier]

David,

I pointed this out before. Chimerism is the fact that fetal cells mix with maternal cells and maternal cells mix with fetal cells. In other words every mother that bears a child has living within her flesh of her children incorporated into her body. The same is true of every child. Every child has maternal cells inocroporated into their cells that incorporate and become part of their flesh. You believe that Mary with sin in the flesh, imparted maternal cells to her son, and that Jesus was with sin.

Dispute the scientific evidence of this. This more than anything causes me to believe that Mary was without sin or Jesus was walking the earth with Mary’s sinful nature.

This is a wonderful example of how truth cannot contradict truth and it also shows just how perfect Mary was. Nobody but the Theotokos could have God inside her body to the extent that Mary did. It wasn’t just that Jesus was carried in her womb. It was far more than that.

God, being omnipotent, surely has the power to become incarnate via a sinning woman. He also has the power to come to earth as an adult king, wearing a jeweled crown, carrying a scepter, bound to earth in a golden chariot with a billion angels praising and glorifying Him.

But that’s not what God did. It is fitting that Jesus’ mother be sinless as she is the Ark of the Covenant. And Jesus had to be sinless because He is God and God cannot go against His very nature. God is perfect. He cannot sin.

It fits together via theology and science. They both mesh together perfectly.

(And although I was injured and so could not go to medical school or obtain my Ph.D., as planned, I do have degrees in biology (B.S.) and research psychology (B.A., M.A.). I can’t claim that I’m a doctor - only that I would have been if circumstances had not taken away my chance.)

 

[david_ruiz]

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D.R.,

The only one that can change your mind is you.

Amen . thanks again

 

[david_ruiz]

This is a wonderful example of how truth cannot contradict truth and it also shows just how perfect Mary was. Nobody but the Theotokos could have God inside her body to the extent that Mary did. It wasn’t just that Jesus was carried in her womb. It was far more than that.

God, being omnipotent, surely has the power to become incarnate via a sinning woman. He also has the power to come to earth as an adult king, wearing a jeweled crown, carrying a scepter, bound to earth in a golden chariot with a billion angels praising and glorifying Him.

But that’s not what God did. It is fitting that Jesus’ mother be sinless as she is the Ark of the Covenant. And Jesus had to be sinless because He is God and God cannot go against His very nature. God is perfect. He cannot sin.

It fits together via theology and science. They both mesh together perfectly.

(And although I was injured and so could not go to medical school or obtain my Ph.D., as planned, I do have degrees in biology (B.S.) and research psychology (B.A., M.A.). I can’t claim that I’m a doctor - only that I would have been if circumstances had not taken away my chance.)

Appreciate your calm sharing of your faith .You said it beautifully .Hopefully I said it nicely too, that it fits that Mary be cleansed by faith, in the blood of the future Lamb as all righteous OT saints were. Indeed, full of undeserved merit. It fits the theology and science perfectly also. Thank-you again.

 

[Wanttobechaste]

Yes, Mary needed and had a Savior. It’s like this… if a child playing near a pool falls in but is then rescued by her father, she has been saved. However, if her father places a wall around the pool so that the child cannot fall in, she has also been saved. God is outside of time and He saved Mary before she fell into the pool.

 

[rinnie]

Here is something to think about. God knew that Mary was created to do what he asked of her.

Now granted she had Human free will to do what was asked, but God also knows everything. What we will do and not do with our free will.

Mary was created as we all are to do our part. Her part was to be the Mother of God, now why would God let the Mother of God be touched with sin?

What amazes me is no one has any trouble understanding how Eve was created without sin, but have a real hard time understanding God saved the Blessed Mother from being touched with sin.

God knew that Eve would sin, he is God, but he also knew Mary would not sin. While they were both created Good, only one stayed true to God, The other disobeyed God.