Did Pope Benedict XVI condemn "rock music" as satanic?

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It wasn’t intended to be “an accurate representation of Pope Benedict’s view.”
That’s the question in the original topic. That’s the point. If you don’t have the Pope to appeal to, calling it “dog doo” isn’t enough.
First of all, rock is not music. It is chaotic noise. The Judeo-Christian God is the God of order: "God has ordered all things in measure, number and weight.” [Wisdom 11:21]. Chaos is the opposite of Godliness, therefore is of Satan.
I have a host of problems with that. Are we really gonna go, “according to Biblical passage X, God can be Y, therefore, ~Y is Satan”?

Even granting the idea that Satan is the “opposite” of God, does that mean it is Satanic to not be jealous (in the context of the passage, ‘possessive’ might work better)? (The Lord Thy God is a jealous god: Deut 6:15).

But let’s move on. You say that it is “Chaotic noise.” Ok, what is the evidence for this? I’m not saying there isn’t any, but it’s a statement that needs to be supported.
 
It takes a lot of complex chemistry for a dog to produce doo-doo.
 
First of all, rock is not music. It is chaotic noise. The Judeo-Christian God is the God of order: "God has ordered all things in measure, number and weight.” [Wisdom 11:21]. Chaos is the opposite of Godliness, therefore is of Satan.
Yet this was the same God who created volcanoes, tornadoes, earthquakes, and tsunamis… all forces of chaos and destruction.
 
It takes a lot of complex chemistry for a dog to produce doo-doo.
Look, at this point, you’re just trolling. You’ve made a rather severe statement, “Rock music is ‘Satanic’.”

The phrase “doggy poo!” is not evidence and quite frankly sounds like the argument of a whining child.
 
Yet this was the same God who created volcanoes, tornadoes, earthquakes, and tsunamis… all forces of chaos and destruction.
God created Satan too, but that does not mean He wills that people go to hell. No one ever got hurt listening to Pachelbel’s Canon. I have a friend who is almost deaf from listening to rock junk.
 
Look, at this point, you’re just trolling. You’ve made a rather severe statement, “Rock music is ‘Satanic’.”
I didn’t make it; the OP simply asked if the Pope condemned it as Satanic.
The phrase “doggy poo!” is not evidence and quite frankly sounds like the argument of a whining child.
You need to re-read how the doggie doo phrase was used. Besides, there is no accounting for taste, and some people have all theirs in their mouths.
 
I’m not sure what you mean by “listen”. I do not make an effort to tune in to it nor play it on my hi-fi, no more than I make an effort to smell doggie doo. But you can’t escape it because it is used extensively in commercials. I have worn out several remote mute buttons because of that racket.
 
This thread has generated some absurd posts.

Those who are attempting to make objective or blanket statements about rock music are stating nothing more than their own opinions and biases.

In reality, “art” and “music” are subjective by their very nature.
 
There is no doubt that their are very Satanic themes in rock music. Heavy metal bands like Slayer and other Death and Black Metal groups are quite explicit about it. There is also a lot of emphasis on rebellion and sexual freedom. Lady Gaga is quite open about this. However God is everywhere and especially in the artistic process. I would consider Bruce Springsteen, Leonard Cohen, U2 and Bob Dylan to have many religious dare I even say Catholic themes in their music. Even the Beatles said “Mother Mary comes to you” so I am pretty sure even they are religious and I have often wondered what they meant by “the long and winding road that leads to your door”
 
I didn’t make it; the OP simply asked if the Pope condemned it as Satanic.
I apologize. The exact words you used to describe rock music was that it was “of Satan.”

How are “Of Satan” and “Satanic” different?
 
God created Satan too, but that does not mean He wills that people go to hell. No one ever got hurt listening to Pachelbel’s Canon. I have a friend who is almost deaf from listening to rock junk.
Another false comparison. For one thing, natural disasters have no free will. Satan did. Yeah well listening to classical or ‘peaceful’ music made me lose consciousness at some point. Boredom does that to me.
 
I used to listen to the secular bands/musicians like Rob Zombie, Metallica,AC/DC, Ozzy Osbourne, Black Sabbath to name a few. However, as of recent, I listen to Christian groups like Antestor, With Blood Comes Cleansing, War of Ages, Demon Hunter, Becoming the Archetype, Theocracy, and Slechtvalk.(A partial list, I assure you) I’d sure hate to think that I could no longer listen them.
 
I’m a huge Rush fan. . .but I do not want “Spirit of the Radio”, “2112” or “La Villa Stangiato” playing during the Liturgy. lol.
 
I’m a huge Rush fan. . .but I do not want “Spirit of the Radio”, “2112” or “La Villa Stangiato” playing during the Liturgy. lol.
I think 2112 could be very liturgical (with a few minor lyrical changes).

“We are the priests of the Temple of Jesus”.

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I think 2112 could be very liturgical (with a few minor lyrical changes).

“We are the priests of the Temple of Jesus”.

😃
OMGosh! I sing it like that sometimes. Crazy you mentioned that! The 2112 Overture is pretty cool though (Temple of Syrinx).

“This bread and wine that I touch. . .is the body and the blood!” 😃
 
Rock music really is Satanic. It promotes a view of mankind as merely beasts.
Dear joshrp,

Cordial greetings and a very good day. Jolly good posts of yours in this thread and I concur wholeheartedly with the above.

It is incontrovertible that the Holy Father has denounced that debased sensory material known as rock and pop music, albeit when he was Cardinal Ratzinger. Whilst his remarks were not an official ecclesial pronouncement they are, notwithstanding, indicative of the spiritual stature of the man who would become Pope Benedict XVI. Moreover, the Holy Father’s comments are not context dependent, even though they occur within the context of “rock festivals”, and so can be extrapolated into a general condemnation of all rock and pop music. As with that other hotly debated topic, Ha**rry Potter, many contemporary Catholics just wish that the Holy Father had not made, what they deem to be, embarrassingly reactionary and dismissive remarks. Here is what he said:

**On the one hand there is pop music, which is certainly no longer supported by the people in the ancient sense (populous). It is aimed at the phenomenom of the masses, it is industrially produced and ultimately has to be described as the cult of the banal. Rock, on the other hand, is the expression of the elemental passions. At rock festivals it assumes a cultic character, a form of worship, in fact, in opposition to Christian worship. People are so to speak, released from themselves by the experience of being part of a crowd and by the emotional shock of rhythm, noise and special lighting effects. However, in the ecstasy of having all their defences torn down, the participants sink, as it were, beneath the elemental source of the universe. The music of the Holy Spirit’s inebriation seems to have little chance when self has become the prison, the mind is a shackle, and breaking out of both appears as a true promise of redemption that can be tasted at least for a few moments" (Spirit of the Liturgy, Ignatius Press, 2000, p. 148).

Whatever else may be said, it is undeniable that the Holy Father does not speak approvingly of either rock or pop music. On the contrary, his remarks are wholly negative, especially when he describes pop music as “the cult of the banal” and rock music as “the expression of the elemental passions”. On any detached reading it is manifestly obvious that he considers rock and pop music debased sensory material that emerges from man’s base and primitive instincts. Now if words mean anything that is clearly what the Holy Father is saying and whilst we can disagree with him, let us have the integrity, at least, not to rationlize or neutralize what he actually said.

Granted, men are at perfect liberty to dismiss these insightful and wise words of Pope Benedict, for they are only his private opinion as a Cardinal and not official dogma. Nevertheless, those contemporary Catholics who never tire of loudly singing rock and pop’s praises, ought surely to carefully and prayerfully ponder his words and consider the possibility of revising their thinking regarding this debased art form. At any rate, those who feel compelled to denounce rock and pop music, can rest assured that they are in very good and eminent company and need not worry about any derogatory appellations being hurled at them. The very same appellations could also be directed against the present Holy Father.

In point of fact rock and pop music was specifically created to express a godless and immoral outlook and it admits of no doubt that its role has been pivitol in prompting youth to shamefully discard cultural and sexual restraints. Thus it is hardly surprising that this dreadful and unwholesome music makes its appeal to the elemental passions and chimes with something very basic and primitive within man’s fallen nature.

As Catholics who are pursuing holiness and who are striving daily to purify themselves “from every defilement of body and spirit, and make holiness perfect in the fear of God” (II Cor. 7: 1), what have we to do with “the cult of the banal” or with music that makes its appeal to the “elemental passions”? I rest my case.

God bless.

Warmest good wishes,

Portrait

Pax
 
Dear joshrp,

Cordial greetings and a very good day. Jolly good posts of yours in this thread and I concur wholeheartedly with the above.

It is incontrovertible that the Holy Father has denounced that debased sensory material known as rock and pop music, albeit when he was Cardinal Ratzinger. Whilst his remarks were not an official ecclesial pronouncement they are, notwithstanding, indicative of the spiritual stature of the man who would become Pope Benedict XVI. Moreover, the Holy Father’s comments are not context dependent, even though they occur within the context of “rock festivals”, and so can be extrapolated into a general condemnation of all rock and pop music. As with that other hotly debated topic, Ha**rry Potter, many contemporary Catholics just wish that the Holy Father had not made, what they deem to be, embarrassingly reactionary and dismissive remarks. Here is what he said:

**On the one hand there is pop music, which is certainly no longer supported by the people in the ancient sense (populous). It is aimed at the phenomenom of the masses, it is industrially produced and ultimately has to be described as the cult of the banal. Rock, on the other hand, is the expression of the elemental passions. At rock festivals it assumes a cultic character, a form of worship, in fact, in opposition to Christian worship. People are so to speak, released from themselves by the experience of being part of a crowd and by the emotional shock of rhythm, noise and special lighting effects. However, in the ecstasy of having all their defences torn down, the participants sink, as it were, beneath the elemental source of the universe. The music of the Holy Spirit’s inebriation seems to have little chance when self has become the prison, the mind is a shackle, and breaking out of both appears as a true promise of redemption that can be tasted at least for a few moments" (*Spirit of the ***Liturgy, Ignatius Press, 2000, p. 148).

Whatever else may be said, it is undeniable that the Holy Father does not speak approvingly of either rock or pop music. On the contrary, his remarks are wholly negative, especially when he describes pop music as “the cult of the banal” and rock music as “the expression of the elemental passions”. On any detached reading it is manifestly obvious that he considers rock and pop music debased sensory material that emerges from man’s base and primitive instincts. Now if words mean anything that is clearly what the Holy Father is saying and whilst we can disagree with him, let us have the integrity, at least, not to rationlize or neutralize what he actually said.

Granted, men are at perfect liberty to dismiss these insightful and wise words of Pope Benedict, for they are only his private opinion as a Cardinal and not official dogma. Nevertheless, those contemporary Catholics who never tire of loudly singing rock and pop’s praises, ought surely to carefully and prayerfully ponder his words and consider the possibility of revising their thinking regarding this debased art form. At any rate, those who feel compelled to denounce rock and pop music, can rest assured that they are in very good and eminent company and need not worry about any derogatory appellations being hurled at them. The very same appellations could also be directed against the present Holy Father.

In point of fact rock and pop music was specifically created to express a godless and immoral outlook and it admits of no doubt that its role has been pivitol in prompting youth to shamefully discard cultural and sexual restraints. Thus it is hardly surprising that this dreadful and unwholesome music makes its appeal to the elemental passions and chimes with something very basic and primitive within man’s fallen nature.

As Catholics who are pursuing holiness and who are striving daily to purify themselves “from every defilement of body and spirit, and make holiness perfect in the fear of God” (II Cor. 7: 1), what have we to do with “the cult of the banal” or with music that makes its appeal to the “elemental passions”? I rest my case.

God bless.

Warmest good wishes,

Portrait

Pax
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