Did Pope Benedict XVI condemn "rock music" as satanic?

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As with that other hotly debated topic, Ha**rry Potter, many contemporary Catholics just wish that the Holy Father had not made, what they deem to be, embarrassingly reactionary and dismissive remarks. Here is what he said:

**On the one hand there is pop music, which is certainly no longer supported by the people in the ancient sense (populous). It is aimed at the phenomenom of the masses, it is industrially produced and ultimately has to be described as the cult of the banal. Rock, on the other hand, is the expression of the elemental passions. At rock festivals it assumes a cultic character, a form of worship, in fact, in opposition to Christian worship. People are so to speak, released from themselves by the experience of being part of a crowd and by the emotional shock of rhythm, noise and special lighting effects. However, in the ecstasy of having all their defences torn down, the participants sink, as it were, beneath the elemental source of the universe. The music of the Holy Spirit’s inebriation seems to have little chance when self has become the prison, the mind is a shackle, and breaking out of both appears as a true promise of redemption that can be tasted at least for a few moments" (*Spirit of the ***Liturgy, Ignatius Press, 2000, p. 148).
By this standard, I reason the Holy Father must also despise the works of Greek tragedy that Aristotle so loved. Needless to say, I disagree.
Granted, men are at perfect liberty to dismiss these insightful and wise words of Pope Benedict, for they are only his private opinion as a Cardinal and not official dogma. Nevertheless, those contemporary Catholics who never tire of loudly singing rock and pop’s praises, ought surely to carefully and prayerfully ponder his words and consider the possibility of revising their thinking regarding this debased art form. At any rate, those who feel compelled to denounce rock and pop music, can rest assured that they are in very good and eminent company and need not worry about any derogatory appellations being hurled at them. The very same appellations could also be directed against the present Holy Father.
Regardless, I see a real problem here: there are no doubt Popes who have had no shortage of disagreements with each other on matters of private opinion, and therefore, to give each equal weight would be highly problematic.

I also wonder what World Youth Day is like with this man at the helm. :confused:
 
I don’t limit myself to certain types of music. As long as the lyrics are clean and void of evil messages. I tend to enjoy music that is very stimulating and inspiring. I just like music that invokes strong emotions in me. A lot of different kinds of music can do that for me. It just makes me feel happier. Sometimes it can make me feel sad, but I still enjoy it. I guess regardless of happy, sad, exciting, It distracts me from the often devastating world we live in.

A lot of Classical pieces I think just need an amount of calmness to listen to. If your rushed or looking for instant gratification a lot of pieces could come off as boring. Maybe its part of the rushed culture we live in, I don’t know. I really cannot fathom how some people could dislike certain pieces of music, yet I guess some people truly don’t like them. I guess everyone is different and that is something I think we all have to remind ourselves of sometimes.

It seemed to me the Pope was just asking people to be careful with what they listen too. I don’t think its that hard to tell if a song has sinful lyrics. Those misdirected critics always turn the Pope’s words into something they are not.
 
Regardless, I see a real problem here: there are no doubt Popes who have had no shortage of disagreements with each other on matters of private opinion, and therefore, to give each equal weight would be highly problematic.

I also wonder what World Youth Day is like with this man at the helm. :confused:
Dear VeritasLuxMea,

Cordial greetings and a very good day. Thankyou for the above response.

Whilst the Popes will, inevitably, disagree with each other as regards non-infallible teachings, a devout Catholic will always weigh carefully and prayerfully what each has to say on any given issue. Having done so, if they come to the conclusion that what a Pope says is fully in accord with the whole spirit and tenor of their most holy religion, then they will humbly receive their assessment as sound edifying wisdom which commends itself to their, hopefully, tender consciences. This is precisely what we mean when we speak of exercising our prudential judgement, or good old fashioned sanctified common sense, on an issue about which the Church has provided no official pronouncement. It is only a fundamentalist mindset that desires to be always spoon-fed on every issue on which the Church has remained silent. Surely a man’s spiritual maturity is evidenced by the fact that he is able, by the use of sanctified common sense, to discriminate between what is good and what is harmful, without always having to have recourse to infallible utterances to tell him how to think or act.

The Catholic youth of today should highly esteem the current Holy Father, for he is a saintly man who has the spiritual discernment to perceive what are the real threats to the souls of the young, yet still in a state of formation. Thus his Spirit of the Liturgy shows that the “music of the Holy Spirit’s inebriation” ennobles a man, lifting him to a higher plain of thought and feeling, unlike rock and pop which debases and stirs up sensual thoughts, appealing as it does to those “elemental passions” that are present on account of the Fall. We must thank God that Pope Benedict is in the chair and guiding the faithful with his holy wisdom, amidst the unprecedented moral and cultural deterioration of the age in which our lot is cast.

There is certainly no valid reason to think that his remarks on rock/pop music or Harry Potter, are seriously tarnishing the credibility of the Catholic Church in the eyes of the world. On the contrary, I think the Church’s reputation would be gravely undermined had he spoken favourably of such things as rock/pop music, for that would have been to promote a fallacious and accommodating world view, only reinforcing people’s prejudice that the Church has gone all “cool and trendy” and that Catholics are now quite free to indulge themselves in any deleterious worldly pursuit, provided the magisterium has not officially condemned it. That would be totally contradictory to the whole spirit of Catholicism as well as being against the the sensus fidelium, or the beliefs of the faithful guided by the Holy Spirit within the framework of the magisterium.

God bless.

Warmest good wishes,

Portrait

Pax
 
I don’t limit myself to certain types of music. As long as the lyrics are clean and void of evil messages. I tend to enjoy music that is very stimulating and inspiring. I just like music that invokes strong emotions in me. A lot of different kinds of music can do that for me. It just makes me feel happier. Sometimes it can make me feel sad, but I still enjoy it. I guess regardless of happy, sad, exciting, It distracts me from the often devastating world we live in.

A lot of Classical pieces I think just need an amount of calmness to listen to. If your rushed or looking for instant gratification a lot of pieces could come off as boring. Maybe its part of the rushed culture we live in, I don’t know. I really cannot fathom how some people could dislike certain pieces of music, yet I guess some people truly don’t like them. I guess everyone is different and that is something I think we all have to remind ourselves of sometimes.

It seemed to me the Pope was just asking people to be careful with what they listen too. I don’t think its that hard to tell if a song has sinful lyrics. Those misdirected critics always turn the Pope’s words into something they are not.
Dear SGTTOM,

Cordial greetings and a very good day.

It very good to hear that you want to avoid any lyrics that glamorize and promote sin, however that is exactly what rock/pop music does, dear friend, because it emanates from an Augean stable of unimaginable filth and depravity. Indeed, this is why it makes its appeal to the “elemental passions” present within man’s fallen nature and why man so willingly responds to it and enjoys it.

When the Holy Father spoke of the “elemental passions” he was not simply asking people to be cautious as to what music they exposed themselves to, though they certainly should be cautious. Rather by the “elemental passions” he was referencing those carnal, sensual and base parts of our fallen nature which are stimulated by and resonate with the debased sensory material that comprises of the rock and pop package. They are, if you please, naturally attracted to one another like opposite poles of a magnet. This is hardly surprising for rock/pop by its beat and sound has always implicitly rejected restraints and celebrated freedom and sexuality. Needless to say, this has always chimed with the natural rebellion of youth and their eagerness to discard what they perceive as the prissy morality of their parents and elders.

Unfortunately, the unclean waters of rock and pop are just too polluted and impure for the Catholic to even paddle in without becoming morally tainted and, at lenght, utterly corrupted. Please do not be deceived, dear friend, “Bad company ruins good morals” (I Cor. 15: 33), and, by logical extension, that is applicable to bad music, bad films, bad video games and bad and cluturally unhealthy literature etc. We should be under no illusions, rock and pop music poison the mind and demoralize the life, thus to the extent that one values one’s soul there must be a parting of the ways, for the grubbiness of rock and pop only serves to demean the spirit of man and coursen his manners.

Invariably, when one evalutates rock/pop music in such negative terms they elicit a hostile response and one is accused of being ‘overscrupulous’ or of wanting to take the Church in Puritan direction (not that the Puritans could not teach us a thing or two about sanctity and separation from the godless world), sometimes both. Indeed, there are some Catholics that actually claim that to avoid rock and pop music for the purpose of keeping oneself pure is cowardice! However, such remarks are only indicative of the Laodicean lukewarmness that is all too common a feature in much contemporary Catholicism, where there has been a severe loss of spiritual discernment, coupled with a willingness to adopt a hand in hand with the world type of religious profession that recalcitrantly refuses to face up to the arduous demands of our most holy religion. Moreover, it is surely quite self-evident that, given our fallen nature, we all need a healthy scrupulosity or a godly vigilance against anything which may present a threat to our spiritual lives or hamper our pursuit of holiness. That is not cowardice, it is just plain common sense.

God bless.

Warmest good wishes,

Portrait

Pax
 
Dear SGTTOM,

Cordial greetings and a very good day.

It very good to hear that you want to avoid any lyrics that glamorize and promote sin, however that is exactly what rock/pop music does, dear friend, because it emanates from an Augean stable of unimaginable filth and depravity. Indeed, this is why it makes its appeal to the “elemental passions” present within man’s fallen nature and why man so willingly responds to it and enjoys it.

When the Holy Father spoke of the “elemental passions” he was not simply asking people to be cautious as to what music they exposed themselves to, though they certainly should be cautious. Rather by the “elemental passions” he was referencing those carnal, sensual and base parts of our fallen nature which are stimulated by and resonate with the debased sensory material that comprises of the rock and pop package. They are, if you please, naturally attracted to one another like opposite poles of a magnet. This is hardly surprising for rock/pop by its beat and sound has always implicitly rejected restraints and celebrated freedom and sexuality. Needless to say, this has always chimed with the natural rebellion of youth and their eagerness to discard what they perceive as the prissy morality of their parents and elders.

Unfortunately, the unclean waters of rock and pop are just too polluted and impure for the Catholic to even paddle in without becoming morally tainted and, at lenght, utterly corrupted. Please do not be deceived, dear friend, “Bad company ruins good morals” (I Cor. 15: 33), and, by logical extension, that is applicable to bad music, bad films, bad video games and bad and cluturally unhealthy literature etc. We should be under no illusions, rock and pop music poison the mind and demoralize the life, thus to the extent that one values one’s soul there must be a parting of the ways, for the grubbiness of rock and pop only serves to demean the spirit of man and coursen his manners.

Invariably, when one evalutates rock/pop music in such negative terms they elicit a hostile response and one is accused of being ‘overscrupulous’ or of wanting to take the Church in Puritan direction (not that the Puritans could not teach us a thing or two about sanctity and separation from the godless world), sometimes both. Indeed, there are some Catholics that actually claim that to avoid rock and pop music for the purpose of keeping oneself pure is cowardice! However, such remarks are only indicative of the Laodicean lukewarmness that is all too common a feature in much contemporary Catholicism, where there has been a severe loss of spiritual discernment, coupled with a willingness to adopt a hand in hand with the world type of religious profession that recalcitrantly refuses to face up to the arduous demands of our most holy religion. Moreover, it is surely quite self-evident that, given our fallen nature, we all need a healthy scrupulosity or a godly vigilance against anything which may present a threat to our spiritual lives or hamper our pursuit of holiness. That is not cowardice, it is just plain common sense.

God bless.

Warmest good wishes,

Portrait

Pax
Classical or Orchestral music can invoke strong emotions in me too. I don’t really see the difference. Pop/rock is usually much simpler then classical or Orchestral but I don’t see the problem with simple.

Are you saying we should avoid all music that evokes emotions in us?
 
Classical or Orchestral music can invoke strong emotions in me too. I don’t really see the difference. Pop/rock is usually much simpler then classical or Orchestral but I don’t see the problem with simple.

Are you saying we should avoid all music that evokes emotions in us?
Dear SGTTOM,

Cordial greetings and thankyou for the above response.

Music can imitate a reasonable, ordered, honourable an virtuous emotion, in the which case music is conducive in disposing a man to the virtuous and honourable ordering of his life. However, music can also imitate an unreasonable, disordered, dishonourable and vicious emotion. Thus, dear friend, the issue is not whether music evokes emotions in us, but, more precisely, what sort of emotions does it evoke. It is simply the moral power of music of which I speak. That old adage that music calms the savage beast is certainly true of classical, orchestral and sacred music, but it is decidedly not true of rock and pop music, the chief intent of which is to release the beast and elicit the base passions. Unlike rock/pop, which makes its appeal to that which is base and primitive in our fallen nature, classical and sacred music appeal to our more noble and refined instincts.

From the time that it was foisted upon us, rock and pop has conveyed the message of disorder, aggression and sexual promiscuity, what someone has aptly termed, “a fantasy of human nature, running wild to a savage beat”. As regards that abominable art form, rock music, it has spawned a large progeny of unimaginable filth, such as heavy metal, rap, punk, alternative and grunge etal. The common element in most, if not all, is the throbbing, heavy pulsating beat and sycopated rythym which is amplified by the electrification of the instruments. The music itself is obscene and disturbing aside from the lyrics. Moreover, the emotions evoked by such bilge water can hardly be considered virtuous and suitable for those who profess religion.

It is undeniable that the passions of sensuality, rebellion, pride, aggression, levity and irreverence are frequently elicited by the rhythms of rock/pop music. This is why it is argued that this music is innately evil and why it stirs up those “elemental passions” within, of which it is the purpose of our holy religion to subdue.

Good wholesome music, such as classical and orchestral, touch the soul delightfully and elevate it nobly, whilst bad and unsavoury music corrupt the soul as profoundly as doctrinal or moral error corrupt the mind. Give it a wide berth, my dear brother, and stay with the music that truly ennobles.

Warmest good wishes,

Portrait

Pax
 
As regards that abominable art form, rock music, it has spawned a large progeny of unimaginable filth, such as heavy metal, rap, punk, alternative and grunge etal. The common element in most, if not all, is the throbbing, heavy pulsating beat and sycopated rythym which is amplified by the electrification of the instruments.
I don’t listen to any of those genres. I wasn’t sure what type of music you were referring to exactly.
 
Good wholesome music, such as classical and orchestral, touch the soul delightfully and elevate it nobly, whilst bad and unsavoury music corrupt the soul as profoundly as doctrinal or moral error corrupt the mind. Give it a wide berth, my dear brother, and stay with the music that truly ennobles.
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It is undeniable that the passions of sensuality, rebellion, pride, aggression, levity and irreverence are frequently elicited by the rhythms of rock/pop music. This is why it is argued that this music is innately evil and why it stirs up those “elemental passions” within, of which it is the purpose of our holy religion to subdue.
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Observation: Due to the ecstasy and bliss that some saints and other spiritual gurus experience from religious-themed music and art, it can be argued that such forms of art also elicit elemental passions and people claiming that a religion is meant to subdue such passions are in fact presenting said religion as ironic and hypocritical.
 
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I have been trying to think of songs to post in rebuttal. You saved me the trouble. 👍
I’m tempted to as well but I can’t access YouTube in the office. TwT

Oh well, maybe I’ll compile something from my PSP playlist and then put up my own when I get home. >:3

I find it rather odd that people list rebellion and aggression as if they were mortal sins. Mind you, plenty of oppressive regimes and tyrants were deposed because the people they yoked finally rose in up anger.

Heck, remember the wall of Jericho? They didn’t bring it down playing Beethoven or Wagner. No, they shouted and blew their horns at high volume. Not exactly comparable to rock in terms of instruments but if critics are going to claim a certain ‘spirit’, I would say that not even the Bible can condemn it without contradicting itself. :cool:
 
From the time that it was foisted upon us, rock and pop has conveyed the message of disorder, aggression and sexual promiscuity, what someone has aptly termed, “a fantasy of human nature, running wild to a savage beat”. As regards that abominable art form, rock music, it has spawned a large progeny of unimaginable filth, such as heavy metal, rap, punk, alternative and grunge etal. The common element in most, if not all, is the throbbing, heavy pulsating beat and sycopated rythym which is amplified by the electrification of the instruments. The music itself is obscene and disturbing aside from the lyrics. Moreover, the emotions evoked by such bilge water can hardly be considered virtuous and suitable for those who profess religion.
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My MT:G nerd senses detect the strong stench of White mana from the rock critics. Apparently ‘order and restraint’ are actually virtues… despite the dictatorships and oppressive regimes that were born from the upholding of those same values.

Oh and of course, this isn’t considering that God Himself crafted the natural wonders which shape and maintain the order of our world through shockingly chaotic means.

Volcanoes. Storms. Maelstroms. Earthquakes.

Did not the primal elements of fire, water, wind, and earth collide to create this world?

All of these of course can occur to the awesome sound of rock. :cool:
 
Unfortunately, the unclean waters of rock and pop are just too polluted and impure for the Catholic to even paddle in without becoming morally tainted and, at lenght, utterly corrupted. Please do not be deceived, dear friend, “Bad company ruins good morals” (I Cor. 15: 33), and, by logical extension, that is applicable to bad music, bad films, bad video games and bad and cluturally unhealthy literature etc. We should be under no illusions, rock and pop music poison the mind and demoralize the life, thus to the extent that one values one’s soul there must be a parting of the ways, for the grubbiness of rock and pop only serves to demean the spirit of man and coursen his manners.
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I’ll list a few Bon Jovi:

Love’s the only rule
This is love, this is life
Keep the Faith
Living on a Prayer

Trust me, there are more. These are the only ones I could think of off the top of my head. 😉

Oh yeah, and calling all angels by Train. 😃
 
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