Did the Buddha talk about God?

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The Buddha invites us to check for ourselves that his methods work. Many Buddhists have checked for themselves over the years and have confirmed that his methods do indeed work. Enlightenment can be observed in this world, before death, so confirmation is possible.

So what your saying is that we ourselves are the final authority? Just as I thought. Atheism.
Read the Theologica Germanica. This is Catholicism. I don’t agree with the definition of atheism here. Everything is created by God. God wants more than anything for us to be like him No? So we will. In time. And become the first mover and ourselves be unmoved as the Germanica says. It’s the point of all. I don’t call that atheism at all. This entire response is from Catholicism nothing else.
 
bill

No! the Holy Spirit leads and guides into all the truth.

Yes! The Holy Spirit guides the magisterium. Do you disagree?

** I wonder why you ask about buddhism and I know you have a specific question as the OP, but are constantly trying to compare?**

I ask about Buddhism to understand. Comparing Christ to Buddha helps me to understand the difference. Is that a problem for you? :confused:

If you have all you need why seek?

There is no end of knowledge and wisdom.

**To learn one must step humbly from the podium and sit in the audience. **

Exactly. That is why you should step humbly from your podium and listen to the magisterium. No?
No I didn’t mean to offend you at all if I did. There really is no difference in them. But you can’t mix the magisterium with buddhism. Understanding buddhism shouldn’t be done through the eyes of the magisterium. You seem to be having difficulty. Ultimately there is no difference in them and to see one you wouldn’t want to compare. Not at this point in your understanding. All knowledge will pass away. We can’t compare to God now. But after a long hard road he will help us. He wants so much for us to be like him. All knowing and the unmover.

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So what your saying is that we ourselves are the final authority? Just as I thought. Atheism.
Please read what I posted. You are making a common error that people who do not read the Kalama sutta carefully often fall into.

Here is part of the Kalama sutta again, with added emphasis: “Kalamas, when you yourselves know: ‘These things are good; these things are not blameable;** these things are praised by the wise**; undertaken and observed, these things lead to benefit and happiness,’ enter on and abide in them.” The individual is not the only authority.

Your “atheism” accusation is irrelevant. If a god is enlightened then Buddhists will follow that god. If a god is not enlightened then Buddhists will prefer to follow a Buddha. The divine or not status is not important. Buddhahood is the important discriminator.

People differ; we are not all the same. Buddhism offers a menu of techniques. Not all techniques work for everyone. The “praised by the wise” is the full menu. From that menu we select the dishes we want to eat. I have tried various meditation techniques. Some, like Vipassana and Zazen work for me. Others, like Tibetan visualisation meditations don’t work for me. Other Buddhists find that the Tibetan techniques suit them.

rossum
 
Ultimately there is no difference in them and to see one you wouldn’t want to compare. Not at this point in your understanding. All knowledge will pass away. We can’t compare to God now. But after a long hard road he will help us. He wants so much for us to be like him. All knowing and the unmover.
All paths lead up the mountain. From where we stand the map of the path up the east face looks very different to the map of the path up the west face. That is only to be expected. However both paths lead to the same summit: “Nada, nada nada, y en el monte nada.”

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rossum

Generally my impression is that Buddhism is a self generated philosophy of life. As such it has much in common with atheism, which also seeks no external authority for its justification. The truth is whatever works. That is also a brand of pragmatism.

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Magisterium: Yes I believe the Magisterium is led by the holy ghost. I also see an element of being human there. Look back at Church history. We are dealing with men. Constantine presided over one of the councils and though he didn’t have any (name removed by moderator)ut without him there would be no destroyed other churches. As to wether or not the church went along with his ideas we may not know. But with Innocent VIII and Alexander VI for example something must’ve been wrong. I don’t believe in “witches” myself as they taught back then and that the cats were of the devil. I don’t believe the holy spirit inspired that. That’s man’s fear. Yes we are dealing with men.

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rossum

Generally my impression is that Buddhism is a self generated philosophy of life. As such it has much in common with atheism, which also seeks no external authority for its justification. The truth is whatever works. That is also a brand of pragmatism.

Thanks for your valuable (name removed by moderator)ut. 👍
My impression is that Buddhists are theists. They believe in God, or gods.
 
Tomarin

**My impression is that Buddhists are theists. They believe in God, or gods. **

There are doubtless some Buddhists who believe in God(s). However, their gods are not gods in our sense of the word. They are more like good or bad angels who can be “safely ignored,” as rossum put it.

Do you have a particular source on Buddhism that says the Buddhist gods have a status in that religion comparable to the importance of God in ours?
 
Tomarin

**My impression is that Buddhists are theists. They believe in God, or gods. **

There are doubtless some Buddhists who believe in God(s). However, their gods are not gods in our sense of the word. They are more like good or bad angels who can be “safely ignored,” as rossum put it.

Do you have a particular source on Buddhism that says the Buddhist gods have a status in that religion comparable to the importance of God in ours?
I didn’t speculate on the nature of the gods they believe in or how they compare to God with a capital “G”, I merely observed that based on my own interactions with Buddhists I would say they are theists, that is, they have no problem acknowledging the existence of gods or even worshiping them. The cultures they come from are theistic cultures. Based on my experiences with Buddhists I have known, I would say Buddhists and atheists are fish and fowl.
 
Tomarin
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I have known, I would say Buddhists and atheists are fish and fowl. **

Well then, where’s the beef? Christianity? 😃
 
Charlemagne, one thing you have to recognize about Buddhism is that it exists on two planes: a philosophical one which I think Rossum represents well and a more popular or folk one which is more relatable to our own concepts and practices of religion.
 
You can verify the sayings of Jesus too. If you seek with all your heart He will show you who He is. He is the light of the world that enlightens men. Drink of his water and you’ll never thirst for truth again.
 
Charlemagne, one thing you have to recognize about Buddhism is that it exists on two planes: a philosophical one which I think Rossum represents well and a more popular or folk one which is more relatable to our own concepts and practices of religion.
As taught in Catholicism God wants more than anything for us to be like him. The buddhas are “older brothers” they’ve acheived that and they love us like God and want us to be just like them. So in buddhism you could call upon God like we do or a buddha that is also all knowing and can create a “pure land” and save us by making us like them (like God). I think it is a mistake in reasoning to try to see differences in them and Jesus. They’re really trying to accomplish the same thing. Remember Jesus never came for the non-Jews. He came to save the lost and turned to those who didn’t reject him. God has given him so many.
 
What is this garbage about?? Buddha claimed to talk to God?? So did Joseph Smith who started the Mormon temple, So did Ellen G White, and many other nut cases! I saw another post on here where someone asked if Catholicism was compatible with any other “religion”…The answer is NO!! It is not taught in sacred scripture or in church tradition. Galatians 1:8-9, “But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be ACCURSED!!!”

2 Corinthians 11:13-15,“For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. So it is no surprise if his servants, also, disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds.” And precisely 100 Scriptures that say the same. The church of Galatia tried to introduce something new to them, and Paul went off calling them stupid…And they were. 2 Corinthians 11:14,“And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light.” If you are a Catholic and practice Buddhism or any other FALSE religion, there is room in hell for you. There is NO OTHER legitimate religion than the Christian faith, any other road leads to Satan period!!
 
Buddha NEVER claimed to talk to God. Your post has nothing to do with Buddhism.
 
tomarin

**Charlemagne, one thing you have to recognize about Buddhism is that it exists on two planes: a philosophical one which I think Rossum represents well and a more popular or folk one which is more relatable to our own concepts and practices of religion. **

Christianity also exists on two planes: the plane of Thomas Aquinas and the plane of St. Francis. These two plane are compatible. The two planes of Buddhism are not.
 
My wife decades ago was in the Peace Corps. She was stationed in Thailand and learned how to speak Thai. Through her I was able to talk to many Thai monks. They all told me that each region added its culture to Buddhism. For example, icons, indigenous gods reinterpreted as Buddhist saints. They emphasized the difference between Buddhism and its various surface appearances. Similarily,there is a difference between a Unitarian and an Ozark snake handler. However both are Christian.
There is also a difference between sophisticated Christianity (Aquinas etc) and popular Christianity.
 
tomarin

**Charlemagne, one thing you have to recognize about Buddhism is that it exists on two planes: a philosophical one which I think Rossum represents well and a more popular or folk one which is more relatable to our own concepts and practices of religion. **

Christianity also exists on two planes: the plane of Thomas Aquinas and the plane of St. Francis. These two plane are compatible. The two planes of Buddhism are not.
The many planes of Buddhism are compatible. There is a path. Each person has to start from where they are on the path and use whatever techniques they find useful to progress along the path.

There is a Buddhist virtue called “upaya”, translated as “skilful means”. Each person is given teachings appropriate to where they are on the path. Yes, that does mean teaching different aspects of Buddhism to different people. Some techniques require hours of meditation daily. There is no point on teaching those methods to someone who has to work those same hours to earn enough money to live.

rossum
 
wittgenstein

**There is also a difference between sophisticated Christianity (Aquinas etc) and popular Christianity. **

There are differences, but the differences are very compatible. There are no differences in the belief system.
 
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