Did you hear Joel Osteen/Pentecostal pastor make fun of the Catholic Baptism?

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I just listened to this collection on youtube,
pretty funny and in no way targeted at Catholics.
Verbum_Caro said:
I didn’t find it very offensive, personally. It seemed like a well-intentioned stab at humor. If you listen to Joel’s jokes (here: youtube.com/watch?v=ttsnZ2HnCrw) with which he begins his broadcasts you find that he pokes fun at various denominations. I heard some Baptist jokes, etc.

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“I think we may accept it as a rule that whenever a person’s religious conversation dwells chiefly, or even frequently, on the faults of other people’s religions, he is in a bad condition.” -C.S. Lewis (Collected Letters Vol. 3 p. 209).
 
P.S. Nancy Pelosi self identifies as “an ardent practicing Catholic”.

She’s also self excommunicated.
 
Cat_Herder said:
“Me” means Jesus and His Word, not you and your fallible interpretation of His Word. This is what you must do:

[BIBLEDRB]Acts 2:38[/BIBLEDRB]/QUOTE

The Bible does not say that if a man is not baptized then he will not be saved. If that were true, Jesus would never have been able to assure the criminal crucified with Him that he would be with Him in paradise that very day (Luke 23:39-4).

Acts 2:38 does not teach that baptism is required for salvation. While baptism is important as the sign that one has been justified by faith and as the public declaration of one’s faith in Christ and membership in a local body of believers, it is not the means of remission or forgiveness of sins. The Bible is very clear that we are saved by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone (John 1:12; John 3:16; Acts 16:31; Romans 3:21-30; Romans 4:5; Romans 10:9-10; Ephesians 2:8-10; Philippians 3:9; Galatians 2:16).

Ok, I am done for today. Too much thinking for a Monday!
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Born_Warrior said:
The Bible does not say that if a man is not baptized then he will not be saved. If that were true, Jesus would never have been able to assure the criminal crucified with Him that he would be with Him in paradise that very day (Luke 23:39-4).
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Wrong Covenant. The Old Covenant was still in force. Jesus had not instituted baptism yet!
Acts 2:38 does not teach that baptism is required for salvation. While baptism is important as the sign that one has been justified by faith and as the public declaration of one’s faith in Christ and membership in a local body of believers, it is not the means of remission or forgiveness of sins.
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[BIBLEDRB]1 Peter 3:21[/BIBLEDRB]
The Bible is very clear that we are saved by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone (John 1:12; John 3:16; Acts 16:31; Romans 3:21-30; Romans 4:5; Romans 10:9-10; Ephesians 2:8-10; Philippians 3:9; Galatians 2:16).
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None of those verses say that salvation is by faith alone. And you know it. As the signature says…
 
Born_Warrior said:
Mark 16:16 does not say that baptism is a requirement for salvation. I could say that he who believes and goes to church will be saved. That is true. But it is belief that saves, not belief and going to church. Likewise, if you believe and read your Bible, you’ll be saved. But it isn’t reading your Bible that saves you. Rather, belief in Christ, in His sacrifice, is what saves. Belief in what God has done, not what man can do, is what results in salvation. Baptism is simply a public demonstration of the inner work of regeneration. This is why the rest of the verse says, “…but he who does not believe will be condemned (damned) NKJV,” Mark 16:16 focuses on the issue of belief, not baptism.
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Please show me where the Bible says that baptism is “a public demonstration of the inner work of regeneration”. I don’t remember having read that before. I am not saying that it may not be in there, but I just don’t remember reading it.
 
The Catholic Church is built on Apostolic succession and 2,000 years of honoring the original traditions of the Early Church.

The Apostles catechized and baptised their converts. They fed them Jesus through the Eucharist. They forgave repentant people of their sins.

Do you think that Catholics “thought the Sacraments” up?
 
Matthew 28:19-20

19 Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, to the close of the age."
 
Barbkw said:
The Catholic Church is built on Apostolic succession and 2,000 years of honoring the original traditions of the Early Church.

The Apostles catechized and baptised their converts. They fed them Jesus through the Eucharist. They forgave repentant people of their sins.

Do you think that Catholics “thought the Sacraments” up?
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It is not needed for Salvation.

Peter 3:18, “For Christ died for sins ONCE for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God…” Christ’s once for all death on the cross was sufficient to atone for all of our sins (1 John 2:2). Therefore, Christ’s sacrifice does not need to be re-offered.

Only belief will get you into Heaven. Works are nice, but they make no difference whether you get to Heaven.
 
What is not needed for salvation?

Baptism is a grace from God, why wouldn’t a person wish to receive that?
 
Born_Warrior said:
It is not needed for Salvation.

Peter 3:18, “For Christ died for sins ONCE for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God…” Christ’s once for all death on the cross was sufficient to atone for all of our sins (1 John 2:2).
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No one denies that. You are confusing the existence of the sacrifice (the Blood of Christ itself) with its application to the sinner (the washing of the sinner in the Blood of Christ).
Therefore, Christ’s sacrifice does not need to be re-offered.
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[BIBLEDRB]Hebrews 10:26-27[/BIBLEDRB]
Only belief will get you into Heaven. Works are nice, but they make no difference whether you get to Heaven.
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According to you, only those who believe are saved; thus, abortion victims, children below the age of reason, and the mentally retarded cannot enter heaven because they cannot believe.
 
Born_Warrior said:
It is not needed for Salvation.

Peter 3:18, “For Christ died for sins ONCE for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God…” Christ’s once for all death on the cross was sufficient to atone for all of our sins (1 John 2:2). Therefore, Christ’s sacrifice does not need to be re-offered.

Only belief will get you into Heaven. Works are nice, but they make no difference whether you get to Heaven.
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You are correct in asserting that we are not saved by works. We are saved by grace.

Interesting though, if you read Matthew 25:31-46 concerning the judgement of the sheep and the goats, Our Lord judges them on what they did or did not do. He does not reference their beliefs.:eek:
 
rainman10 said:
Please show me where the Bible says that baptism is “a public demonstration of the inner work of regeneration”. I don’t remember having read that before. I am not saying that it may not be in there, but I just don’t remember reading it.
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Born_Warrior, any chance of you answering my question above?
 
Ut-Oh!

He judges us on works too!

Faith and works.

We have to “talk the talk AND walk the walk”.
 
I remind the newbies to please read the above sticky on Proselytizing.
 
Is regeneration (for protestant denominations) what Catholics would call conversion?

Does regeneration connect with confession?

I’ve not heard the word “regeneration” used much.
 
Barbkw said:
Is regeneration (for protestant denominations) what Catholics would call conversion?

Does regeneration connect with confession?

I’ve not heard the word “regeneration” used much.
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Regeneration == born again of water and the Spirit == Baptismal grace.

From the Catholic Encyclopedia article, absolution in Penance is not viewed as a “re-regeneration” but rather a continuation of baptismal regeneration, since it does restore the baptismally regenerated grace.
 
Thanks Cat Header. Wow. I’ve heard various people from protestant denominations talk about “regeneration” and I never caught on. Why don’t they call baptism “baptism”?

Because many denominations don’t believe in infant baptism? Then the aspect of sin (original, venial and mortal) is intertwined into baptism.
 
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