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Semper Fi:
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IMO, you’re better off in the RCC than ECUSA, at this point in time.
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a_cermak
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Nothing rash here, it’s been 2 years since I stopped practicing in any meaningful sense of the word. And I would really rather not live out the rest of my life as an Apostate. At least embracing another Church would give me the chance of not identifying myself by that with which I disagree.
And the “diciness” is all a matter of which parish one attends. There are several in my area and one in particular that appeals to me. And one doesn’t have to believe some of the more outre things that can be proposed at some of the edgier churches and bishops.
Pax,
Amy
And the “diciness” is all a matter of which parish one attends. There are several in my area and one in particular that appeals to me. And one doesn’t have to believe some of the more outre things that can be proposed at some of the edgier churches and bishops.
Pax,
Amy
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It’s true that there are a few islands of relative orthodoxy in the sea of ECUSA (it’s a vanishing archipelago, though). But if you find one, you are in communion, per force, with apostacy, or worse. Not something I’d care to do. And if you consider some of ECUSA’s enormaties to be outre, you’re identifying yourself with them, by doing so.
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And just why shouldn’t Protestants have royalty as head of their sects? The reformation was led by the nobels taking the wealth from the Church - not for reform as is the propaganda today. Every Protestant is already his own Pope anyway, right? The king wrote his Bible and told them what to believe didn’t he? The King James Version in, the Geneva Bible out. 72 out of 73 Catholic Bishops left the Church Jesus founded and followed King Henry VIII because the King is the rightfull Vicar Of Christ, not some Pope elected by clergy left on this earth by Jesus.one difference is that the Episcopal church doesn’t recognize the pope but rather the king of England as head of the church ( I think…)
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Oh yea, what happened to that single Bishop out of 73? He became a martyer of course for his Faith. The King put him to death for Christ.
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Pious
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Actually, England has no King at the present; they have a Queenone difference is that the Episcopal church doesn’t recognize the pope but rather the king of England as head of the church ( I think…)
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Who is the supreme governor of the Church in England, since Elizabeth I’s 1559 Act of Supremacy replaced Henry’s Supreme Head Act of 1534.Actually, England has no King at the present; they have a Queen
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Just for fun, here’s a comment by an episcopal friend.
“The difference between Catholics and Episcopals? Well, think of us as Diet Catholic.”
It made me chuckle.
“The difference between Catholics and Episcopals? Well, think of us as Diet Catholic.”
It made me chuckle.
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Semper_Fi_1
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Amy,
I respect your honesty and integrity but please post your objections to the Church here on Catholic Answers and we will try our best to answer your concerns.
God bless,
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Anglican77
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:yup: I can attest to that and have said it on occasion. “The Espicopal Church: Catholic Lite - half the guilt”
Besides some of things that have already been mentioned, we can also divorce and remarry without annulments. Also, we do not categorize sin as mortal or venial. I don’t know if there is doctrine that does not allow birth control, but if there is, I have never heard about it.
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Anglican77 said:
Nope, in fact the Anglican Communion was the first Christian church which allowed any form of contraception.
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St_Benedict
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The old joke is ‘Everything is up for debate in Anglicanism - up to and including the existence of God’
Basically you can go to one parish and find Anglo Catholicism, go to the next and find full immersion no vestments full on evangelicalism!
This broad Church approach is beginning to break with various bits of the Anglican Communion either breaking communion with other parts of the communion or threating to do so.
It’s a mess and not one I enjoy watching
The advice of an ex Anglican priest, now Catholic
This is my counsel: If you are not in an Anglican Communion Network diocese, or if your parish is not a member of the Network or Forward in Faith, then for the sake of your souls and future salvation, and for the salvation of your children and grandchildren, get out of the Episcopal Church now! Not tomorrow. Not next year. Now! For priests, this is not an easy thing to do. We are invested in the institution, we have families to support financially, and many of us are not trained to do anything else. And so we wrestle with God in prayer, seek his guidance and forgiveness, and negotiate our consciences. But lay people have a freedom here that we priests do not. And to you I say, leave the Episcopal Church.
catholica.pontifications.net/?p=481
Basically you can go to one parish and find Anglo Catholicism, go to the next and find full immersion no vestments full on evangelicalism!
This broad Church approach is beginning to break with various bits of the Anglican Communion either breaking communion with other parts of the communion or threating to do so.
It’s a mess and not one I enjoy watching
The advice of an ex Anglican priest, now Catholic
This is my counsel: If you are not in an Anglican Communion Network diocese, or if your parish is not a member of the Network or Forward in Faith, then for the sake of your souls and future salvation, and for the salvation of your children and grandchildren, get out of the Episcopal Church now! Not tomorrow. Not next year. Now! For priests, this is not an easy thing to do. We are invested in the institution, we have families to support financially, and many of us are not trained to do anything else. And so we wrestle with God in prayer, seek his guidance and forgiveness, and negotiate our consciences. But lay people have a freedom here that we priests do not. And to you I say, leave the Episcopal Church.
catholica.pontifications.net/?p=481
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Anglican77 said:
Times change. When C. S. Lewis was seeking a sacramental marriage to Joy Davidman in the mid 50s, it was not possible witin the CoE, since the CoE had an absolute prohibition on church marriages when one prospective partner was divorced and had a living former spouse. Curiously, it was pointed out that had Lewis been RC then, he would have had a fair case for obtaining a decree of nullity for Joy’s existing marriage, based on a canonical impediment. Joy’s former husband had a living wife at the time he married Joy, establishing an impediment that would have made for a probable decree of nullity. The CoE had no such procedures.
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And good advice it is, IMO. I would add the fact that there exist many orthodox Anglican parishes within the Anglican Continuum, not in ECUSA and not in communion with Canterbury: many, like mine, members of Forward in Faith. But good advice…The old joke is ‘Everything is up for debate in Anglicanism - up to and including the existence of God’
Basically you can go to one parish and find Anglo Catholicism, go to the next and find full immersion no vestments full on evangelicalism!
This broad Church approach is beginning to break with various bits of the Anglican Communion either breaking communion with other parts of the communion or threating to do so.
It’s a mess and not one I enjoy watching
The advice of an ex Anglican priest, now Catholic
This is my counsel: If you are not in an Anglican Communion Network diocese, or if your parish is not a member of the Network or Forward in Faith, then for the sake of your souls and future salvation, and for the salvation of your children and grandchildren, get out of the Episcopal Church now! Not tomorrow. Not next year. Now! For priests, this is not an easy thing to do. We are invested in the institution, we have families to support financially, and many of us are not trained to do anything else. And so we wrestle with God in prayer, seek his guidance and forgiveness, and negotiate our consciences. But lay people have a freedom here that we priests do not. And to you I say, leave the Episcopal Church.
catholica.pontifications.net/?p=481
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Anglican77
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Then why did they allow it for King Henry VIII?
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Times change. As Semper Fi noted, there as a time when the CoE did not permit artificial birth control, propr to Lambeth 28 (I think).
It was, I think, the bishop of Oxford who pointed the RC position out to Lewis. But I haven’t looked it up.
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David_Zampino
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(To the tune of “The Church’s One Foundation”)
The Church’s One Foundation
Is The Church Pension Fund
Without Their Fine Retirements
Some More Would Cut And Run
Some Would Submit to Benedict
And Some To Antioch
But Promise Of Retirement
Shall Keep Them In The Flock!
Sad . . . but often true.
Blessings,
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David_Zampino
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The birth control decision was in 1930. The bench of bishops overrulled the express opinion of the Archbishop of Canterbury at the time.
Blessings, my friend,
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GKC
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David Zampino:
Well, I was close. It was too close to supper time to dig out the reference.
GKC
Greetings, David,
Well, I was close. It was too close to supper time to dig out the reference.
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He might have cut their heads off?
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a_cermak
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Semper Fi:
Pax,
Amy
I’ve been hesitant to post an answer because I don’t want to come off sounding angry or contrarian. And you will see why I feel that ECUSA is a better arrangement for both me and Rome.
- I believe I have the right to vote for any party or person in a US election that I feel is the best candidate for that office. I was there in 2004 and it hurt deeply the rhetoric that was being flung around.
- I believe that if I were an office holder in government, that I have the right to carry out the wishes of the voters who put me in office even when those wishes are contrary to the Church. People have been objecting to Dick Durbin’s (my Senator) votes, but he reflects, fairly well, the voters who put him in office. I suppose I would say that the officeholder is more a servant of his constituents than an individual.
- I disagree with Humanae Vitae (though on intellectual grounds alone as it doesn’t apply in practice) because it argues from Natural Law. I don’t think we yet understand all of nature in the scientific community, so to say there is a complete and settled Natural law, that we understand in its totality is not something I could agree with. On the other hand, I have nothing against JPII’s Theology of the Body as it was argued from a different vantage point.
- I disagree with the argument put forth as the reason we have no women priests. To say that Jesus never named any so we can’t either, seems weak. And I see no point in worrying about a symbology that maybe 10% of the laity know about anyway (priest as bridegroom to the Church the bride of Christ).
- I believe that gay couples should be able to receive the civil benefits of marriage. I’m not saying the Church has to recognize their unions–after all, it doesn’t recognize civil marriages following divorce. I’m certainly not saying the Church has to perform commitment ceremonies or be involved in any way.
- A lot of little things. Sometimes I’ll see something, like the Church in Brazil refusing to marry a paraplegic man because he’s impotent, I just can’t see that. Jesus healed the lame on the Sabbath (an action considered sinful at the time) and this impediment can’t be dispensed?
Pax,
Amy
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