Difference between Catholic "speaking in tongues" as oppose to Pentecostal "speaking of tongues"

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I meditated on this “speaking in tongues” during Mass today. I believe the “tongues” referred to, from the text, were established languages that were recognizable to those who heard them, even thought the apostles ‘spoke’ in their own language.

I don’t buy into the idea of babbling gibberish noises.
1 Cor 12:6-11
7 To each is given the manifestation of the Spirit for the common good. 8 To one is given through the Spirit the utterance of wisdom, and to another the utterance of knowledge according to the same Spirit, 9 to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by the one Spirit, 10 to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another the ability to distinguish between spirits, to another various kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues. 11 All these are inspired by one and the same Spirit, who apportions to each one individually as he wills. "

The tongues spoken of in the reading yesterday are one particular type of tongues used for the purpose of conversion. there are other types, some that may seem like gibberish but are not.
 
He was involved with the charismatic movement for a few years but left by 1975 after it seemed to start working too much outside the Church rather than within it.
This is the reason I am very concerned about as it is happening at two churches I know of.
 
My understanding, taken from my days in the United Pentecostal Church, is that there actually are three specific types of “tongues.” The most common type is the personal “prayer language” that is not generally put on public display. There is nothing particularly miraculous about this type of tongues. It is simply a releasing of the vocal ability from the strictures of mental activity needed to speak an earthly language during prayer. While these tongues generally consist of an identifiable syllabic system, this is most likely because through practice a person arrives at what feels and seems best to him. I’ve heard many of these personal prayer languages. Some are very complex, some are very simple. It’s a personal thing. The user turns it on and off at will. He is in total control at all times. In my opinion it is similar to repetitious types of praying, such as the Rosary, except not structured. By relieving the mind of the need to form words connected with thoughts, the Spirit is free to enable the perfect prayer that He wants the person doing at that moment.

The other two types are much more miraculous. Both types need an interpretation, but one is NOT necessarily spoken in an earthly language. One person will, upon prompting by the Holy Spirit, utter a few phrases. Another person present will be given the gift of interpretation for that particular utterance, and will then speak out the interpretation to the group. I have witnessed this type of manifestation about a half-dozen times, and it was always rather electrifying when it happened.

The 3d type is what we read about in Acts 2 that happened at Pentecost, where people will speak in earthly languages for a specific purpose, languages that they might never have learned. They may or may not understand what they’re saying.
Thanks for the discription. Please forgive my doubts but I was wondering if you could describe if you ever recieved confirmations of the half dozen times you saw interpretations. How did you test the Spirits?
 
I received a prayer language while I was a Baptist - and Baptists do. not. speak. in. tongues. No way, no how! It was quite shocking the first time it happened, actually. I had several friends who were charismatic and I was largely skeptical of the whole thing, so I asked God for a prayer language if it was indeed the real deal, and if it was within His Wil for me to have one. 👍

It is not something I engage in at Mass. Privately, though, it still happens occasionally. I believe it is more like the “tongues of angels” Paul refers to, since I know it is not a known language and nobody but God is listening anyway.
 
Thanks for the discription. Please forgive my doubts but I was wondering if you could describe if you ever recieved confirmations of the half dozen times you saw interpretations. How did you test the Spirits?
The first time I witnessed this, I believe it was on a Wed nite praise service. I was fairly new to the UPC, and hadn’t yet received the “baptism of the Holy Ghost.” These meetings can get pretty raucous. We had a big choir, complete with all kinds of noisemakers… cymbals, drums, bells, etc. After a song, there would follow a few minutes (and I mean literally a few long minutes) shouting, crying, banging on noisemakers, etc, punctuated by the occasional sound of someone speaking in tongues, just barely audible through the cacophony. At some point, things just kind of quieted down until there was almost no noise at all. Understand that no one was orchestrating this… most people had their eyes closed, many were weeping. As it got just about dead silent, I heard a beautiful woman’s voice singing in a language I’d never heard. I am familiar with the sounds of most languages, as I’ve traveled a lot, but I could not identify this, except to say that it was lovely. The utterance was a type of singing, but there was no identifiable melody. It continued for maybe a half-minute, and then it was silent again. Another half-minute passed, and then another woman, on the other side of the room, uttered in English what was said to be the interpretation of the tongues. There was nothing earth shattering about it. Something along the lines of, know that I am God, I am with you, have no worries, be faithful, obey me… words like that.

After this, the praise service continued as before. No one took a heckuva lot of notice of this event, as if it was a natural thing to have happen, but I was really floored by it. The other times it happened that I witnessed, I can remember a lot less clearly, as I came to not consider these events all that significant. I never doubted that they were genuine. These people I got to know well enough to know that they were of deepheart integrity and would not lie or stage such a thing. But it is important to note that nothing prophetic was ever “interpreted” out of these. They were all along the lines of words of encouragement. Very general things.

As for “testing the spirits” I’m not sure I ever thought about that. I believe that tongues is a very Biblical idea, that it has happened throughout Christian history, and probably is a feature of other religious experiences as well. Obviously we know from Scripture that it is a controversial subject, and needs to be carefully handled. When people are of a same mind and are open to possibilities, then things are more likely to happen. To tell the truth, though, I never felt completely comfortable in this type of worship. Those people are completely given over to worship. They worship with their entire beings, body, soul, mind. It isn’t uncommon for them to just dance and dance to the Lord, or roll on the floor, which I guess is the source of the term Holy Roller, LOL. Me, I don’t even like to dance in public at all. I’m very self-conscious… typical white guy. This church was more than half african american, and a lot of hispanics also. I was way uptight. It took a long time for me to finally speak in tongues, and when it happened it wasn’t in public, but rather while I was reading the Bible one night when I was alone. It was a very wonderful moment of awareness of God, but I have to declare that we don’t need tongues to have this awareness of God, and so that is an area I disagree strongly with the UPC types who say that tongues is an essential requirement for salvation.
 
I received a prayer language while I was a Baptist - and Baptists do. not. speak. in. tongues. No way, no how! It was quite shocking the first time it happened, actually. I had several friends who were charismatic and I was largely skeptical of the whole thing, so I asked God for a prayer language if it was indeed the real deal, and if it was within His Wil for me to have one. 👍

It is not something I engage in at Mass. Privately, though, it still happens occasionally. I believe it is more like the “tongues of angels” Paul refers to, since I know it is not a known language and nobody but God is listening anyway.
Me, too. Usually it just wells up and flows out of me when something really cool about God dawns on me. I’ve had it happen a few times while reading posts in these forums. You probably know exactly what I’m talking about. Before this happened to me the first time, I kept expecting it to be like a bolt of lightning… something external. But in reality, for me, it feels like it comes from my heart, and it just bursts out, usually with some tears alongside.

BTW I used to be a hair twirler, too, until I got old and went bald… nice blog. I will work my way through it. You appear to be a major sweetheart!
 
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I meditated on this “speaking in tongues” during Mass today. I believe the “tongues” referred to, from the text, were established languages that were recognizable to those who heard them, even thought the apostles ‘spoke’ in their own language.

I don’t buy into the idea of babbling gibberish noises.
I agree 100%.
 
Talk to the priests. And pray! We need to stomp this nonsense out before it spreads.
One of the churches doesn’t even listen to the priest. The other has started to let the priest involved. Sounds weird, isn’t it?
 
What is the difference between the Catholic speaking in tongues vs. Pentecostal speaking in tongues?
WHEN I WAS PENTECOSTAL IT WAS A PRAYER LANGUAGE AND NOW REVERT TO CATHOLIC IT IS STILL A PRAYER LANGUAGE. THIS IS WHAT I THINK IT WAS MEANT FOR. MINE SOUNDS ARAMAIC AND MY DH’S SOUNDS RUSSIAN OR GERMAN. I HAVE THAT IN MY BACKGROUND AND MY DH IS THE CUTEST BLUEYED GUY! (MIX) HE DID LEARN GERMAN IN HIGH SCHOOL. DOES THAT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT?
I TOOK FRENCH AND LATIN AND SPANISH.
WHEN I FIRST LEARNED WHAT I SPEAK, HAVE BEEN FOR 30 YEARS, IS WHEN I WATCHED THE PASSION AND HEARD JESUS SAY THE OUR FATHER I SAID O MY GOODNESS THAT’S MY LANGUAGE!
BUT IT IS STILL A PRAYER LANGUAGE THAT HAS A LOT TO DO WITH EMOTION ALSO. IMHO
THIS MAY BE THE END TIMES WITH THE POURING OUT OF THE SPIRIT ON ALL AS MANY ARE TALKING ABOUT IT.
DESSERT**

‘BE JESUS… SHARE JESUS’
BLESSED MOTHER TERESA**
 
I don’t believe in speaking in tongues. I consider that Biblical superstition. I’ve never seen a Catholic do it, and I hope I never do.
😃 Isn’t it a fact that a Pope or 2 has prayed in their private language of tongues?😦 I don’t think it is superstition. I have not asked my Catholic friends if do you? It the speaking should not in itself be glorified, as you say but I consider it a private prayer.
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😃 Isn’t it a fact that a Pope or 2 has prayed in their private language of tongues?😦 I don’t think it is superstition. I have not asked my Catholic friends if do you? It the speaking should not in itself be glorified, as you say but I consider it a private prayer.
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The rest of the thread holds your answer.
 
WHEN I WAS PENTECOSTAL IT WAS A PRAYER LANGUAGE AND NOW REVERT TO CATHOLIC IT IS STILL A PRAYER LANGUAGE. THIS IS WHAT I THINK IT WAS MEANT FOR. MINE SOUNDS ARAMAIC AND MY DH’S SOUNDS RUSSIAN OR GERMAN. I HAVE THAT IN MY BACKGROUND AND MY DH IS THE CUTEST BLUEYED GUY! (MIX) HE DID LEARN GERMAN IN HIGH SCHOOL. DOES THAT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT?
I TOOK FRENCH AND LATIN AND SPANISH.
WHEN I FIRST LEARNED WHAT I SPEAK, HAVE BEEN FOR 30 YEARS, IS WHEN I WATCHED THE PASSION AND HEARD JESUS SAY THE OUR FATHER I SAID O MY GOODNESS THAT’S MY LANGUAGE!
BUT IT IS STILL A PRAYER LANGUAGE THAT HAS A LOT TO DO WITH EMOTION ALSO. IMHO
THIS MAY BE THE END TIMES WITH THE POURING OUT OF THE SPIRIT ON ALL AS MANY ARE TALKING ABOUT IT.
DESSERT**

‘BE JESUS… SHARE JESUS’
BLESSED MOTHER TERESA**
Why the caps, are you angry?
 
Speaking in tongues isn’t always a Holy gift. It can stem from Pride and I have seen it do just that. Its not a good thing when that happens.
Amen

In fact, “unintelligible ecstatic utterances” is exactly what was going on in they mystry religions of Paul’s day.
 
Tongues can still be edifying even if someone doesnt interpret if its sincerely not from Pride but I must admit I have never seen an interpretation.
I have never found tongues without an interpretor edifying at all.

Just a sign of silliness.
 
A Catholic Charasmatic associate told me that one of the reasons for praying in tongues is that satan [small ‘s’ intended] does not understand what is being said’. I have yet to meet anyone else who understands either 😛

My understanding is that there are three types of tongues:
  1. Tongues which you don’'t understand
  2. Tongues which the speaker does not understand
  3. Tongues which no one not even God understands 😛
 
Where tongues are spoken, the Holy Spirit will ALWAYS provide an interpretation. How many have followed Sacred Scriptures and tested the spirit speaking in tongues. Let the Holy Spirit run the prayer group.
But, is it the Correct interpretation? I have purposely read my shopping list out loud in charsimatic services to see what the interpretation was. Not once did anyone get the correct interpretation, nor did any pastor conftront me about this.

So, where is the discerning of spirits?
 
I see the Catholic response but no Pentecostal speaking out… about their types of “speaking of tongues”
Hi Mannyfit, I don’t see any differences because I see the same poor interpretation skills when it comes to the book of Acts and when it comes to I Cor 12-14. Basically, they are letting what I call “group think” experiences, that is speaking in gibberish to be part of the “in group” control their reading of scripture, rather than the Holy Spirit guiding them along with soild hermeneutics.
 
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But, is it the Correct interpretation? I have purposely read my shopping list out loud in charsimatic services to see what the interpretation was. Not once did anyone get the correct interpretation, nor did any pastor conftront me about this.
So, where is the discerning of spirits?
Daniel my man, oh Daniel, man of little faith. The discerning spirits are called: ‘Tesco’, ‘Asda’, ‘Morrisons’, 'Sainsbury’s

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But, is it the Correct interpretation? I have purposely read my shopping list out loud in charsimatic services to see what the interpretation was. Not once did anyone get the correct interpretation, nor did any pastor conftront me about this.

So, where is the discerning of spirits?
Dniel Marsh posted:
Daniel my man, oh Daniel, man of little faith. The discerning spirits are called: ‘Tesco’, ‘Asda’, ‘Morrisons’, 'Sainsbury’s
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Daniel, I don’t think it is a good way to test it.

What if it was a true gift from God, and because of how you tested, God did not want to reveil the truth to you?

What if it wasn’t a gift from God, but Satan can understand you, and he gives you the correct answer. Would you believe it is from God?

While others are discerning their gifts, remember that your testing must also be a discerning process - a true discerning - not throwing in “3 tacos, 2 bags of chips”. 😃
 
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