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tafan2
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One could start very simply based on your tread title. The Catholic Church is not a denomination, it is a Church.
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Please, let’s get off the denomination hangup.
I’m a Catholic, strong admirer of the 2 prior popes, fully aware of the distinction made in Church teaching, and support it.
The fullness of Christian faith is found in the CC, in my view.
But sociologically, the CC can be and is referred to as a denomination for some purposes. So are the Mormons, even Reform Judaism, in some comparison. Even “non denominational” groups are, in some ways, denominations.
So let’s look at comparisons here, without apologetic encounters, though I also support apologetic encounters…elsewhere.
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Not a hangup. The OP asked for differences between us and Presbyterians. Our view of the Church is quite fundamental. We believe in a visible Church, made visible by 4 distinct markings. Presbyterians do not believe this. They believe those who are the elect are part of Christ’s Church. They do not equate the Presbyterian Church with the True Church. They would have much less problems referring to themselves as a denomination, than with us referring to ourselves as The Church.
How is this an apologetic encounter any more than post 3?
How is this an apologetic encounter any more than post 3?
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It’s fine!
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TULIPed
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I think we share this belief, no? From Patheos.com:
“The Catholic Church, following St. Augustine (e.g., Grace and Free Will , 1, 1; Sermon 169, 11, 13), accepts predestination of the elect to heaven, but also affirms the freedom of the human will, thus staking out a position distinct from Calvinism.”
(Presbyterians believe also in free will by the way. We just believe that without Christ, everything we freely do doesn’t matter as we don’t have the capability to do anything good without Him - at least as far as the way God sees it anyway.)
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Respectfully commenter, i must disagree. I see this as a classic slippery slope.tafan2:
Please, let’s get off the denomination hangup.
I’m a Catholic, strong admirer of the 2 prior popes, fully aware of the distinction made in Church teaching, and support it.
The fullness of Christian faith is found in the CC, in my view.
But sociologically, the CC can be and is referred to as a denomination for some purposes. So are the Mormons, even Reform Judaism, in some comparison. Even “non denominational” groups are, in some ways, denominations.
So let’s look at comparisons here, without apologetic encounters, though I also support apologetic encounters…elsewhere.
Peace!!!
po18guy
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- Catholicism: Founded by Jesus Christ on Simon bar Jonah. (in the bible)
- Presbyterianism founded by Jean Cauvin by and on himself in Europe, 1,500 years after Christ. (not in the bible)
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Ok think of this as you gathering intelligence about the other side. If you keep correcting them when they are halfway through an argument, you miss out on valuable information you might have learned in the second half of that argument. Why interrupt your own flow of useful data that you might not otherwise get?commenter:
Respectfully commenter, i must disagree. I see this as a classic slippery slope.tafan2:
Please, let’s get off the denomination hangup.
I’m a Catholic, strong admirer of the 2 prior popes, fully aware of the distinction made in Church teaching, and support it.
The fullness of Christian faith is found in the CC, in my view.
But sociologically, the CC can be and is referred to as a denomination for some purposes. So are the Mormons, even Reform Judaism, in some comparison. Even “non denominational” groups are, in some ways, denominations.
So let’s look at comparisons here, without apologetic encounters, though I also support apologetic encounters…elsewhere.
Peace!!!
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adf417
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I agree with this but you must agree that there is some subjectivity in this statement, no?
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I’m not seeing the slippery slope here. I suppose if you combined calling Catholics a denomination with saying all denominations are equal, there might be a problem. Without that second step, I don’t see a slip and fall hazard.
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Michael16
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A coworker of mine was a Presbyterian and he’s a really good guy. I relied on him for good advice at work when a priest wasn’t available.
About Church vs denomination; my Lutheran family calls each of them, including the Church; religions. Once in a talk with my sister, I corrected her when she called the Church a denomination and told her: We’re not a denomination; we’re the Church.
Usually, I just let them refer to us and everybody else as religions.
It’s just easier that way.
About Church vs denomination; my Lutheran family calls each of them, including the Church; religions. Once in a talk with my sister, I corrected her when she called the Church a denomination and told her: We’re not a denomination; we’re the Church.
Usually, I just let them refer to us and everybody else as religions.
It’s just easier that way.
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ltwin
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Well, to denominate something simply means to call or name something. So, linguistically speaking, the Catholic Church is how we denominate a particular religious group.
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