Difference between SJW and Social Justice in CCC

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Why do you think Anarchists are not socialist, and what are they in your mind.

Still don’t follow your logic that I paint every non conservative as a SJW, when I linked it directly with socialism. I don’t think independents or Dems with traditional dem values qualify as SJW

I know the Dem party took a hard left towards socialism in the last election with Bernie, none of this is my conjecture, it’s well documented.
 
Anarchists by definition want no government at all. That is what anarchy is… the absence of government. So, if they want no government at all they would hardly be socialist. Socialism is opposite of them on the political spectrum.
 
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mrsdizzyd said:
Anarchists by definition want no government at all. That is what anarchy is… the absence of government. So, if they want no government at all they would hardly be socialist. Socialism is opposite of them on the political spectrum.
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So what do you call Antifa?

I don’t care if we call them anarchists or not, though that is how they’ve acted and they do seem to be avowed socialists/communists (see my WAPO link). Maybe your definition is incorrect, or no longer current?

edit - after looking up the definition, anarchists don’t want ‘no government’, they just want to overthrow the established order, they are revolutionaries. This seems to fit with ANTIFA.
 
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When I teach my government classes I usually show them a chart like this one:

It’s simplistic, but useful. You have to distinguish between the different forms of government and popular use of the terms. In political science when we say something is an anarchy we mean something very specific. We mean a society that is in a state of total freedom. There is no rule of law.

What is Antifa? Well, I don’t really know. I don’t think you can box them in. They certainly seem to tend toward rule by tyranny, so I’d say it would be fair to characterize most of them as socialist or communist. In part, their goals align with anarchists in that they are in favor of the revolutionary overthrow of government. So, you are likely to find that some of them are anarchists. Those anarchists would disagree with any socialist or communist goals within the group.
 
Fascism and anarchy don’t meet. What is missing is the vertical axis. And this is usually my next lesson.
 
Your image is only contrasting tendencies towards Monarchy vs Mob rule. I don’t think this is a valid focus of measurement for comparing diverse political parties.

I think anarchy is more about upsetting the status quo, not about mob rule. In our country these revolutionaries are communist/socialist, while in a socialist country their anarchists might ascribe to free markets.
 
See the above. Anarchy and mob rule are not the same. The vertical axis is missing. This would be the next lesson in my class.
 
I tried to say your chart is defective, that anarchy is about revolution not mob rule. It would be easy to argue both Dems and Repubs ascribe to mob rule, getting the most votes and implementing their agenda. They can also both appear very autocratic. I don’t think your chart offers a valid metric to compare parties.
 
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So what’s I’m saying to you is that you are right, but we disagree as to why you are right. If you think of the political spectrum as a graph it becomes more useful.

X axis is economics.

Y axis is politics.


Anarchist don’t care about economic. Anarchy is pure political libertarianism. They would be as far down the y axis as you could go and sitting directly on it.

Mob rule is also not concerned about economics. They are authoritarian. They sitting on the y axis as far up as you can go.

Now, we can complicate this more by plotting a diagonal line. This would be more force vs. less force. Things would change again.

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Notice where anarchy is now. Once you use revolution to overthrown government you are at a peaceful ideal. I think you see the problem here. 😂
 
I would place ANTIFA in the lower left quadrant of your “Political Spectrum” chart. Practically speaking, they are not much different than Fascists.
 
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I would place ANTIFA in the lower left quadrant of your “Political Spectrum” chart. Practically speaking, they are not much different than Fascists.
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Yep. Different sides of the same coin. But, don’t expect them to agree with you.😂

But, also, don’t forget about the anarchist who are there for the use of force, but would vanish if the group ever tried to set up a fascist government.
 
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Yep. Different sides of the same coin. But, don’t expect them to agree with you.😂

But, also, don’t forget about the anarchist who are there for the use of force, but would vanish if the group ever tried to set up a fascist government.
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If this is what you are saying, I think US anarchists are in it more for the adrenaline and conflict, not because they really understand/feel the politics.
 
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This sounds noble, it’s just that nobody really believes it. If what you say was really true then our concern should not stop with those who have physically reached our borders but extend to all those everywhere based on need.
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I was referring to subsidiarity and the bishops in the United States addressing concerns of the people in the United States, so, no.
 
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Then You need to go out and take care of them, quit demanding others do it.
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I demanded nothing. I referred to the teaching of Jesus in the parable of the Good Samaritan. It is God that makes demands of us.

I think your point though is that good works should not be the role of government. To that I can only say that the teaching of the Church is that social justice is part of the role of government. So to the extent that we have voters that reject what God demands of us, Catholic or note, then we still have our individual mandate.

As to making other people pay for this, that is part of society. I do not agree with how much we spend on the military, that we need not only the biggest, but the biggest by far force of arms, yet I pay my taxes to support that military as that is part of society as well. I don’t complain that I am being made to pay for the military across the globe.
 
@pnewton
Why do you think deporting illegal economic migrants doesn’t fit with the Samaritan parable.

I think if we treat them with respect, provide them with food and medical care while they are in custody, then we are are not conflicting with the parable.

We also need to filter in legitimate refugees as part of the process, and provide them with aid as they become legal residents.
 
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@pnewton
Why do you think deporting illegal economic migrants doesn’t fit with the Samaritan parable.

I think if we treat them with respect, provide them with food and medical care while they are in custody, then we are are not conflicting with the parable.

We also need to filter in legitimate refugees as part of the process, and provide them with aid as they become legal residents.
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I’m afraid I’ll have to agree with Theo. 😱

There are a lot of folks submitting to due process that take a few years to get over here. It’s not fair that our southern neighbors can just hop a fence and burdern our social systems.

I also think that citizenship shouldn’t be automatically granted to a newborn that lacks American parentage.

Shocking right?
 
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Who are you and what have you done with @vonsalza?! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

(I agree with him too.)
 
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@pnewton
Why do you think deporting illegal economic migrants doesn’t fit with the Samaritan parable.

I think if we treat them with respect, provide them with food and medical care while they are in custody, then we are are not conflicting with the parable.

We also need to filter in legitimate refugees as part of the process, and provide them with aid as they become legal residents.
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I can totally agree with this. If you are coming here because you want a better job, more money for family, better future, you need to come through the legal process.

If you are fleeing danger we might need to expedite and support the process. Again, we have to work within a legal framework.

So long as we are respecting human dignity, we are living up to the parable.
 
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