Differences between Reformed and Roman Catholicism

[Peter_J]

Do you agree with these statements?

Ten Differences between the Reformation and Rome

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Hi Reformed,

Hope you don’t mind my coming late to the thread. (Very late, I would say judging by some of the recent posts.)

By and large, I would say it’s not too bad. It does often leave out some important facts about Catholic teaching, giving an incomplete and sometimes mislead picture of Catholicism – I’m thinking particularly of #6 and #9 (see Ralphinal’s comments).

One glaring problem is when it equates “the magisterium” and “Rome”, which is blatantly wrong:

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The Roman Catholic Church believes that the Bible cannot be properly understood apart from the official interpretation of Rome (the Magisterium).

Rome has always been the head of the magisterium, but the magisterium has never been reducible to just Rome.

Of course, the other side of the question is whether it properly presents Protestantism. But perhaps I should leave it to Protestants to answer that.

Blessings,

 

[Peter_J]

The Bible teaches that no Scripture can be received and understood with effectual change to the inner man apart from the work of God the Holy Spirit through illiumination. The Bible is a closed book for those without the Spirit of God (1 Cor 2). Why did Jesus speak in parables according to the Scriptures. What is concealed has to be revealed by the Spirt who is God. The Bible is a book of spiritual revelation to our dark spiritual state. However, only those who have the Spirit can understand the things of God (1 Cor 2, Rom 8).

You probably don’t realize that what you said actually supports the Catholic position.

 

[Peter_J]

Some Reformed Churches actually partake in communion every Sunday.

How shocking!

 

[Contarini]

LOL…LDS history books are quite different than yours. They actually have history written on gold plates. That is why I reject history exegesis.

That’s just crazy. Because one group of people makes completely unsubstantiated historical claims, therefore all historical claims are worthless? What you are saying is no different than the atheists who say “there are lots of religions so they must all be false.” You are better than this. I know you are.

Church history is very important to study, but Scripture is more trustworthy than catholic history books. I prefer Protestant history books myself.

Why? Generally it’s preferable to read history books that challenge your biases.

But why confine yourself to “history books” of only one tradition? Why not read historical works from different traditions and compare them?

And you do know that history isn’t just based on “history books,” right? Historians use all kinds of sources–inscriptions, coinage, letters, physical artifacts. . . .

Edwin

 

[valiermn]

Again, I have to ask the OP to please state where the teaching of Bible alone comes from? It’s not listed in scriptures…

Where in tradition is the word Tradition? when does a ritual become tradition.

 

[Peter_J]

LOL…LDS history books are quite different than yours. They actually have history written on gold plates. That is why I reject history exegesis.

If I might add to what Contarini has already said, I would point out that the very same “logic” can be used against you: there are lots of different Protestants denominations. They can’t all be right, so they’re all wrong. (Right? )

 

[Thing]

Where in tradition is the word Tradition? when does a ritual become tradition.

What the Apostles taught is tradition, written or spoken, even as they taught it; 6 And we charge you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you withdraw yourselves from every brother walking disorderly, and not according to the tradition which they have received of us.

 

[guanophore]

How about correcting all 10 points on the Catholic position above so I can understand what you actually believe as Roman Catholics? I can agree on the 10 points for the Reformed position.

How about we don’t? Do you have any idea how many threads you are running? do you realize that each of these topics deserves it’s own thread? do you realize that you are violating the forum rules?

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[Soutane]

I partook in communion last Sunday. Some Reformed Churches actually partake in communion every Sunday.

You may have had communion at your church as a symbol of the “covenant meal”,but I think you’d agree with me that you did not partake in the Eucharist.Certainly not in the literal Catholic sense?

 

[benedictus2]

How about we don’t? Do you have any idea how many threads you are running? do you realize that each of these topics deserves it’s own thread? do you realize that you are violating the forum rules?
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You always beat me to it. I was actually going to say the same thing.

The entire OP should be split into 10 separate threads.

So Reformed, pick which one you want to discuss on this thread and re-start the others.

 

[guanophore]

So Reformed, pick which one you want to discuss on this thread and re-start the others.

NO!!! Spare us!!! :bigyikes:

His disdain for Catholics and the forum rules will not allow him to be here long enough!

 

[benedictus2]

NO!!! Spare us!!! :bigyikes:

His disdain for Catholics and the forum rules will not allow him to be here long enough!

You are so right . But I am still optimistic that he will unplug his fingers from his ears at some point in time.

 

[GKC]

That’s just crazy. Because one group of people makes completely unsubstantiated historical claims, therefore all historical claims are worthless? What you are saying is no different than the atheists who say “there are lots of religions so they must all be false.” You are better than this. I know you are.

Why? Generally it’s preferable to read history books that challenge your biases.

But why confine yourself to “history books” of only one tradition? Why not read historical works from different traditions and compare them?

And you do know that history isn’t just based on “history books,” right? Historians use all kinds of sources–inscriptions, coinage, letters, physical artifacts. . . .

Edwin

Sage and wise advice.

GKC

 

[Peter_J]

NO!!! Spare us!!! :bigyikes:

His disdain for Catholics and the forum rules will not allow him to be here long enough!

What, may I ask, is your problem?

 

[RobGentner]

Reformed:

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The Roman Catholic Church regards herself as the one true Church through the apostolic succession of her bishops. Non-Roman Catholic Christians are regarded as ‘separated brethren’ who have schismatically divided the body of Christ. Reformed ministers are not truly ordained to the apostolic ministry. **

Hi Reformed,:tiphat:

Wow, You got all of that correct except the word “regards” it must be changed to “decrees” to make the post correct.
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The Reformed define the Church not institutionally, but as a company of believing, godly people where the gospel is truly preached, baptism and the Lord’s Supper rightly administered and Church discipline graciously applied.**

If you say so, it must be true! :yup: We don’t study what non Catholic’s teach about our Church actually. I didn’t realize you felt that way about our church! But you can also define us institutionally, we wouldn’t mind!:nope: . You said some very nice things. All true also! Thanks!

The true apostolic succession consists not in the physical laying on of hands as understood by Rome, but in believing and preaching the gospel proclaimed by the apostles and recorded in Scripture.

Reformed, Now where is that written in the scriptures? We understand it because it is in the Bible. But you knew and disregard that fact. You can put on a policeman’s unifrom that doesn’t allow you to in force the law. And like with religion, you could get in trouble with the Authorities! :tsktsk:

 

[RobGentner]

Where in tradition is the word Tradition? when does a ritual become tradition.

Hi valier, :tiphat:
Where in the Bible is the word Bible? Your point please?

A ritual becomes a tradition when you do it more than once? They, then become ritual traditions!

In the RCC we also have the “Rituals” (Rituale Romanum). It is one of the official books of the RCC. It contains all the services performed by a priest that are not in the Missal and Breviary and has also, for convenience, some that are in those other books. It is the latest and still the least uniform book of our rite. When Rritual functions were initially written down, our written traditions were expanded to include them.

is that helpful?

God Bless

 

[RobGentner]

You are so right . But I am still optimistic that he will unplug his fingers from his ears at some point in time.

Those aren’t his ears! :bigyikes:

 

[benedictus2]

These are all cut and paste from an anti-Catholic site. Nice trick. Also, when cutting and pasting in the future, please find anti-Catholic sites that do not use British spelling…

The difference between us is that you are using** decapitated scripture -** that which has been torn away from the Church that God alone designated as its protector.

Good phrase.

 

[benedictus2]

Why? You are singularly incapable of understanding not only the catholic position, but ANYTHING that does not conform, in its entirity, to your singular reformed view of the world.
You are also NOT interested in anything that catholics have to say. ALL you are interested in is trying to make yourself look and feel theologically cool.
Your arguments have been refuted time and time again. Over and over. In thread after thread. Post after post. And when you are cornered, you just run off and start another thread, with the same old cut and past of endless strips of scrpiture and repetative questions, Over and Over. And then you start all over again.

I apologise to you. I miss judged you. I thought you may have been interesting to read. I was wrong.

It’s all a veneer. Which is no surprise considering that they think that justification is God covering one’s sins with a sweet smelly blanket but inside one is still the same vile and putrid person as before.

 

[guanophore]

The Roman Catholic Church teaches that we are justified by baptism and that justification must be supplemented and improved by works.

I plead with you, Reformed, you seem like a person who is capable of intellectual engagement. Have the intellectual honesty to explore the things you have been taught, to see if they are really true. Instead of assuming, please explore what the catholic church really teaches about these things. If you are going to argue with us, at least have the temerity to argue about what we really believe, instead of the misinformation you havea been given.