Different Deaths Of Judas?

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There seems to be different deaths of Judas.
The Gospel of Matthew says that, after Jesus’ arrest by the Roman authorities (but before his execution), the guilt-ridden Judas returned the bribe to the priests and committed suicide by hanging himself. The priests were forbidden by Jewish law from returning the money to the treasury so they used it to buy the potter’s field (ton agron tou kerameōs, τὸν αγρὸν τοῦ κεραμέως) in order to bury strangers. The Gospel (Matthew 27:9-10) presents this as fulfilment of a prophecy “which was spoken through Jeremiah the prophet”.(see Jeremiah 32:6-15 also 18:1–2 and 19:1–13; cf. Zechariah 11:12-13).[18]
The Acts of the Apostles (1:18) says that Judas used the bribe to buy a field, but fell down, and burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out. This field is called Akeldama or Field Of Blood. Acts 1 goes on to describe how his place among the apostles was subsequently filled by Matthias.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judas_Iscariot

How can there be two different deaths of Judas in the bible? Shouldn’t there be only one?
 
There seems to be different deaths of Judas.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judas_Iscariot

How can there be two different deaths of Judas in the bible? Shouldn’t there be only one?
If Judas hung himself and either the rope broke or he was decapitated and then he fell so that his insides spilled out would not either account be accurate? Nowhere does scripture indicate that this could not be the case.
 
Oh and one more thing. Scripture scholars have debated this for years so there will be no definitive answer here, only speculation. We must adhere that Scripture is inspired and that the message is inerrant truth even while some text may seem to contradict an historical account. I personally go with those scholars who recognize two portions of the same account…teachccd
 
One should note that some of the early readers of both accounts were witnesses to his death. It would seem that if there were a glaring discontinuity they would have pointed it out at the time.
Since both accounts were preserved I tend to believe they were compatible.
 
Maybe he “fell” from grace and hung himself.

Or maybe he fell and died having “hung” himself with sin.

Or maybe he really hung himself and was thrown dead into the field headfirst.

No tellin’.
 
There seems to be different deaths of Judas.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judas_Iscariot

How can there be two different deaths of Judas in the bible? Shouldn’t there be only one?
There MUST be two different accounts of Judas Iscariot’s death in the New Testament since two different people (Matthew and Luke) wrote the same event from different perspectives and with different purposes in mind.

Matthew’s account apparently focuses on Judas’ last-minute regret, which is foreshadowed by Judas’ question to Jesus about the betrayer at the last supper (Matthew 26:25). Since the prophecy presented by Matthew in chapter 27 is not directly associated with Judas’ personality or evil deed of betrayal, the only thing emphasised in Matthew’s account is the answer to the question how come Judas’ money was handed over back to the scribes and why it was used in the purchase of a burial place. Thus, Matthew wants to emphasise that it was religious authorities who were directly involved in the fulfillment of a prophecy related to the Temple and the Law.

Luke, on the other hand, gets closer to Iscariot’s recurrent portrayal as a thief and evil character in John’s Gospel and narrates the same incident of death primarily to answer the question how Judas was punished because of his iniquities and why his end was such a disastrous story known and related by so many people. The reason why Luke gave priority to the notion of punishment and disaster in the narrative of Judas’ death is absolutely associated with the prophecy quoted from one of David’s Psalms, which overtly focuses on a person’ character and the results of his iniquities. That person is no one else than Judas Iscariot, whose replacement with Matthias Luke narrates in details.

The textual coherence within a single NT text overrides the coherence among different texts of the NT. 😉
 
Please note that to acknowledge that scripture is free of errors is not the same as saying that EVERYTHING the bible says is true.

To Wit: The sky is not a beaten metal bowl with windows in it to let the rain in - which is what scripture “teaches”.

We are not necessarily being told the exact means of Judas’ death. Rather we are being taught that the wages of sin are death and he killed himself in his despair and his death was horrible.

The problem we have today is we don’t read for the same understanding that scripture was written. Today, we tend to read for modern “scientific-like” accuracy and expect things to be written that way. They weren’t written for literal “scientific” accuracy - they were written to convey deeper meaning and emotion. The significant amount of literal historical accuracy is a bonus.
 
If Judas hung himself and either the rope broke or he was decapitated and then he fell so that his insides spilled out would not either account be accurate? Nowhere does scripture indicate that this could not be the case.
Yep- that’s what I teach also!!😃
 
Just thinking about raccoon road kill in the hot summer months.

So Judas hanged himself breaking his neck, he bakes for who knows how long in the desert sun. Once he swollen up (just like our roadkill friend) the weight of his body separates from the head because his neck has been broken and bursts as he hits the ground.

I don’t mean to make light of this but it actually makes sense.
 
If Judas hung himself and either the rope broke or he was decapitated and then he fell so that his insides spilled out would not either account be accurate? Nowhere does scripture indicate that this could not be the case.
The discrepancy is not in the death itself, which can be easily reconciled, but in what happened to the money.

In one account, he used the money to buy the field and fell to his death while inspecting it. Musta been an awfully hilly field.

In the other, he returned the money to the ‘potter’ (i.e. the temple treasurer) and then hanged himself in remorse.

He could not have done both.
 
Just thinking about raccoon road kill in the hot summer months.

So Judas hanged himself breaking his neck, he bakes for who knows how long in the desert sun. Once he swollen up (just like our roadkill friend) the weight of his body separates from the head because his neck has been broken and bursts as he hits the ground.

I don’t mean to make light of this but it actually makes sense.
Well, it sounds gory just visioning it

yeah it actually does make sense.
 
The discrepancy is not in the death itself, which can be easily reconciled, but in what happened to the money.

In one account, he used the money to buy the field and fell to his death while inspecting it. Musta been an awfully hilly field.

In the other, he returned the money to the ‘potter’ (i.e. the temple treasurer) and then hanged himself in remorse.

He could not have done both.
In both accounts Judas’ death was associated with his love for money and the purchase of a field. We should keep in mind that Matthew also says the field of blood was purchased by Judas’ money.

The only major difference between these two narratives is related to the function of the field and the reason for its designation as the field of blood. In Matthew religious authorities buy a burial place for the strangers since they want to keep the money out of the Temple. Those religious authorities have a different reason to name the field with blood as a result of their previous plots with Judas Iscariot.

In the Acts the field purchased by Judas’ money is presented as Judas’ personal property and the origin of its name is attributed to Judas’ disastrous death. Thus, this account is mostly based on how the apostles interpret Judas’ death in accordance with his iniquity.

More, the way Luke depicts Judas’ death is very similar to prophet Jeremiah’s prediction about Judah’s destruction because of her iniquities:

Jeremiah 19:4
Because they have forsaken me, and have profaned this place: and have sacrificed therein to strange gods, whom neither they nor their fathers knew, nor the kings of Juda: and they have filled this place with the blood of innocents.

Jeremiah 19:6

Therefore behold the days come, saith the Lord, that this place shall no more be called Topheth, nor the valley of the son of Ennom, but the valley of slaughter.

Jeremiah 19:8
And I will make this city an astonishment, and a hissing: **every one that shall pass by it, shall be astonished, and shall hiss because of all the plagues thereof. **

Jeremiah 19:10-11
Thou shalt break the bottle in the sight of the men that shall go with thee. And thou shalt say to them: Thus saith the Lord of hosts: Even so will I break this people, and this city, as the potter’s vessel is broken, which cannot be made whole again: and they shall be buried in Topheth, because there is no other place to bury in.

Judas Iscariot, like the inhabitants of Judah, shed innocent blood and committed evil deeds. This is why God broke him like a vessel beyond repair as He had broken Judah in the past. Everyone saw how Judas Iscariot was punished and associated his land with his disastrous end in the same way as people had witnessed Judah’s punishment and called their land “the valley of slaughter”.

Judas was one of the 12 apostles as Judah was one of the 12 tribes.
 
In both accounts Judas’ death was associated with his love for money and the purchase of a field. We should keep in mind that Matthew also says the field of blood was purchased by Judas’ money.

The only major difference between these two narratives is related to the function of the field and the reason for its designation as the field of blood. In Matthew religious authorities buy a burial place for the strangers since they want to keep the money out of the Temple. Those religious authorities have a different reason to name the field with blood as a result of their previous plots with Judas Iscariot.

In the Acts the field purchased by Judas’ money is presented as Judas’ personal property and the origin of its name is attributed to Judas’ disastrous death. Thus, this account is mostly based on how the apostles interpret Judas’ death in accordance with his iniquity.

More, the way Luke depicts Judas’ death is very similar to prophet Jeremiah’s prediction about Judah’s destruction because of her iniquities:

Jeremiah 19:4
Because they have forsaken me, and have profaned this place: and have sacrificed therein to strange gods, whom neither they nor their fathers knew, nor the kings of Juda: and they have filled this place with the blood of innocents.

Jeremiah 19:6

Therefore behold the days come, saith the Lord, that this place shall no more be called Topheth, nor the valley of the son of Ennom, but the valley of slaughter.

Jeremiah 19:8
And I will make this city an astonishment, and a hissing: **every one that shall pass by it, shall be astonished, and shall hiss because of all the plagues thereof. **

Jeremiah 19:10-11
Thou shalt break the bottle in the sight of the men that shall go with thee. And thou shalt say to them: Thus saith the Lord of hosts: Even so will I break this people, and this city, as the potter’s vessel is broken, which cannot be made whole again: and they shall be buried in Topheth, because there is no other place to bury in.

Judas Iscariot, like the inhabitants of Judah, shed innocent blood and committed evil deeds. This is why God broke him like a vessel beyond repair as He had broken Judah in the past. Everyone saw how Judas Iscariot was punished and associated his land with his disastrous end in the same way as people had witnessed Judah’s punishment and called their land “the valley of slaughter”.

Judas was one of the 12 apostles as Judah was one of the 12 tribes.
…and the egg I just ate was one of 12 in the carton. A lot of things come in dozens; that doesn’t make them prophetic!

Nor do any of your quotes from Jeremiah seem particularly relevant to Judas’ demise.

The words that Matthew attributes to Jeremiah, and mangles rather badly, are actually from Zechariah:
“The Lord said to me, ‘put them in the temple treasury’. So I took the thirty pieces of silver, the magnificent sum they thought I was worth, and gave them to the potter in the temple.” (Zech 11:13)
Apart from that, everything you say is correct, there are two different versions of Judas’ death, with some similarities, and some differences, but they are conflicting accounts just the same.
 
There are three ways of interpreting these passages:

1.) Judas hung himself, then either the noose or the gibbet (like a tree-branch, for example) broke, plummeting Judas down and ‘bursting’ him open
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2.) The account in Matthew is not so an actual description of Judas’ death but a description of his emotional state. The Greek word “apanchomai” (usually translated as ‘to hang’) can also be mean choking or squeezing one’s self as with great emotion or grief. Note however, while such a meaning is possible in Greek, most instances of the word in literature were used in a physical sense, i.e. hanging.

3.) Matthew was using an Old Testament type in here. The unique combination of “departed” and “hanged himself” in the Greek text of Matthew also occurs in another place in the Septuagint, namely 2 Samuel 17:23:
And Achitophel saw that his counsel was not followed, and he saddled his ***, and rose and departed to his house into his city; and he gave orders to his household, and hanged himself, and died, and was buried in the sepulchre of his father.
Another is Psalm 41:9, which is applied by Jesus to Judas (John 13:18), which in rabbinic tradition is applied to Ahitophel. Thus, this interpretation holds that Matthew does not so much describe Judas’ manner of death here but tries to make the point that Judas fulfilled the ‘type’ of Ahitophel by being a traitor (Ahitophel to King David, and Judas to Jesus, the Son and Root of David) who responded with grief and then died. In this case, Luke’s description of Judas falling and bursting open stands alone as a specific description of what happened to him.

As for who bought the plot of land:

The word used by Matthew for ‘bought’ is agorazo (literally meaning ‘to go to market’), a verb referring to the transaction of business. It means ‘to purchase’, but can also mean ‘to redeem.’

Meanwhile, the word used by Luke is ktaomai, meaning “to get, to acquire, to obtain, to possess, to provide, to purchase.” This word has connotations of ownership that agorazo does not.

Matthew says that the priests ‘transacted’ to obtain the plot of land, but they did not thereby have possession of it as the money they used to buy the field was technically Judas’; therefore the field was bought in Judas’ name and is legally his (post-humuous?) property.

Some may question the above, saying that Judas threw the money away. However, the money cannot be put back into the Temple treasury (i.e. it cannot belong to the Temple again) as it is blood money (Matt. 27:7-8).

Ancient Eastern peoples regarded the guilt of innocent blood very seriously, and like Pilate the priests wanted nothing to do with the situation. By ancient standards, the money was ‘tainted’, that is, it was rendered ritually unclean. Because the priests wanted to avoid association with ritual uncleanness, they would have bought the field under Judas’ name, whose blood money it was, thus shifting the responsibility to him.

Interesting how the two powers that be who had Jesus killed wanted nothing to do with the responsibility of His blood and tried to shift the blame to the other (Pilate to the crowd, and the priests to Judas)!
 
The words that Matthew attributes to Jeremiah, and mangles rather badly, are actually from Zechariah:
That doesn’t make Matthew wrong for saying that he got the quote from Jeremiah. The reason why Matthew took a loose quote from Zechariah and attributed it to Jeremiah is perhaps because he followed here the Jewish exegetical practice of quoting different persons under one name when there are parallels in their lives or words; i.e. when they both say practically the same thing.

The rabbis of the Talmud, for example, once said that Malachi and Ezra are said to be the “same person” (Meg. 15a) because they both say similar things (Mal. 2:2, Ez. 10:2). A good biblical example of this would be in the Gospel of Mark 1:2-4, where Mark quotes from Malachi and Isaiah with some traces of the book of Exodus, yet just attributes the whole quote to Isaiah.

Matthew perhaps had a loose version of the quotes from Zechariah and Jeremiah running in his head, then attributed all of it to ‘Jeremiah’ as he perceived a similarity between the prophecies of these two.
 
  1. There are three ways of interpreting these passages:
  2. Some may question the above, saying that Judas threw the money away.
  3. However, the money cannot be put back into the Temple treasury (i.e. it cannot belong to the Temple again) as it is blood money (Matt. 27:7-8).
  1. There are more than three. Your three start with the premise that both accounts must be accurate, which of course they are not, and then bend, fold and mutilate the passages in order to attempt to make them conform.
2 & 3. I am one of the ‘some’. He either used the money to buy a field or he returned it to the temple. That the ‘potter’ (treasurer) may have then used it to buy the field, even if it was purchased in Judas’ name, is not the same thing. Luke says clearly that he bought the field himself and died there. Matthew says that the money was returned and Judas hanged himself, which he could hardly have done in a field about which he knew nothing.

The length to which Bible literalists will go to make obviously contradictory accounts appear to conform is quite an interesting phenomenon.
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Matthew perhaps had a loose version of the quotes from Zechariah and Jeremiah running in his head, then attributed all of it to ‘Jeremiah’ as he perceived a similarity between the prophecies of these two.
Here you are very likely correct. Jeremiah at one point tells of buying a field, and elsewhere tells an unrelated story about a potter. That was probably the source of Matthew’s confusion.
 
…and the egg I just ate was one of 12 in the carton. A lot of things come in dozens; that doesn’t make them prophetic!

Nor do any of your quotes from Jeremiah seem particularly relevant to Judas’ demise.
Your response is logically fallacious! False analogies do not prove your point. It is also strange that you do not know the symbolic association between the 12 tribes of Israel and Jesus’ 12 apostles.

Besides, your comments about my quotation from Jeremiah is totally subjective. I am positive that nothing in the Bible would be “particularly” relevant in your sight.

If you study apologetics, you are free to suggest your interpretation, but the only fact that you do not consider my quotations relevant will not help you refute my theories.
The words that Matthew attributes to Jeremiah, and mangles rather badly, are actually from Zechariah:

Apart from that, everything you say is correct, there are two different versions of Judas’ death, with some similarities, and some differences, but they are conflicting accounts just the same.
LOL. Now I can clearly see what you are trying to get at. In order to be evasive, you suddenly jump to the discussion of another related prophecy in Matthew.

I agree that the way Matthew refers to some prophecies in the OT is rather baffling and complicated, but this does not prove your argument that Matthew confused Zecchariah with Jeremiah and made a mistaken reference.

Matthew actually cites Jeremiah because he wants to underline the similarity between Jeremiah and the religious authorities in Jesus’ time with regard to buying a burial place by the money of someone dead.
 
Well, both versions could be factually accurate. Since the dead were “unclean” under Mosaic law, those who touched or handled them were also declared unclean by the priests. The penalty was the cleansing that Moses prescribed. Judas was likely left hanging. In the warmth of the Middle East, it would not take long for his body to decompose, and/or predators to do their work.

Say that Judas bought the field with the blood money. Where would he have felt most guilty and culpable for his deal with the evil one? While brooding over his treachery and contemplating his evil at the same field. Christ’s blood bought salvation for us, but only dirt for Judas. Suicides are often committed at specific locations that have some emotion connected with them.

Remember that, in biblical times, the curse upon many was that their bones would be scattered by dogs and wild animals. Most were buried, but not all. It was quite possible that Judas, whose reputation preceded him, would have been considered cursed and left where he was for his bones to be bleached and dried by the sun.

Just a thought.
 
  1. Well, both versions could be factually accurate.
  2. Say that Judas bought the field with the blood money. Where would he have felt most guilty and culpable for his deal with the evil one? While brooding over his treachery and contemplating his evil at the same field. Christ’s blood bought salvation for us, but only dirt for Judas. Suicides are often committed at specific locations that have some emotion connected with them. .
  1. No, they couldn’t, at least not by any realistic stretch of the imagination.
  2. OK, let’s say that. Then he could not have returned the money to the temple officers. The two accounts are mutually exclusive.
Since Acts was written 10-15 years after Matthew, and since Luke claims that everyone in the area knew the story he related, and since Luke was not on the scene at the time and Matthew was (though probably not a witness to the actual hanging), it seems a reasonable POSSIBILITY that Luke heard the tale through gossip, which may have confused some of the facts as the story spread through the intervening years.

But there are other logical explanations as well. That both accounts are literally true as stated is simply not possible. As ‘Deep Throat’ told Woodward and Bernstein, ‘Follow the money!’.
 
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