Different kinds of Catholic?

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The only Churches the Catholic Church recognizes as having valid Holy Orders and thus valid Eucharist are our 23 Catholic Churches sui uris and the churches of Holy Orthodoxy.
polish national catholic church as well(from the catholic standpoint at least)
 
I think there are two different rites of the Catholic Church

Latin Rite
  • Roman Catholic Church
Eastern Rite
  • Armenian Catholic Church
  • Belarusian Greek Catholic Church
  • Bulgarian Catholic Church
  • Chaldean Catholic Church
  • Coptic Catholic Church
  • Croatian Greek Catholic Church
  • Ethiopian Catholic Church
  • Georgian Catholic Church
  • Greek Catholic Church
  • Hungarian Greek Catholic Church
  • Italo-Albanian Catholic Church
  • Macedonian Catholic Church
  • Maronite Catholic Church
  • Melkite Catholic Church
  • Romanian Catholic Church
  • Russian Catholic Church
  • Ruthenian Catholic Church (usually called the “Byzantine Catholic Church” in the United States)
  • Slovak Greek Catholic Church
  • Syrian Catholic Church
  • Syro-Malabar Church
  • Syro-Malankara Catholic Church
  • Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church
And then are the breakaways
  • Apostolic Catholic Church
  • American Catholic Church in the United States
  • Bosnian Church (no longer in existence)
  • Brazilian Catholic Apostolic Church
  • Catholic Charismatic Church of Canada
  • Celtic Catholic Church
  • Chinese Patriotic Catholic Association
  • Communion of Christ the Redeemer
  • Free Catholic Church
  • Liberal Catholic Church
  • Mariavite Church
  • Old Catholic Church
  • Old Catholic Church of America
  • Old Catholic Church in Europe
  • Palmarian Catholic Church
  • Philippine Independent Church
  • Polish National Catholic Church
  • Sedevacantism
  • Spiritus Christi
  • True Catholic Church
God bless :byzsoc:

David
What are the breakaways?
 
Breakaways are schismatic groups. They believe that the Church erred and have went into heresy and they are the ones who has preserved the true faith. Of course that is only in the beginning.
 
The Catholic Church recognizes the PNCC, the Eastern Orthodox Communion, the Oriental Orthodox Communion, the Assyrian Church of the East, the Ancient Church of the East, the Ukrainian Orthodox Church - Kyiv Patriarchate, and a couple other groups as having valid ordinations, orders and sacraments.

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There are many groups which have valid orders and ordinations, but have wandered into various heresies. This doesn’t invalidate their sacraments, nor their orders, but does make them spiritually dangerous. They remain valid unless those heresies involve (1) changing the allowed matter to what is invalid, (2) changing the nature of the sacrament (3) denial of the Nature of Christ, God, the Eucharist, or the Trinity.

Many vagante (wandering) bishops arose following the schism of Utrecht. Some predate that. They have, due to the Catholic system of understanding validity, valid orders.

Some vagante are former Orthodox bishops, either excommunicated for heresy, or for heteropraxis… especially for consecrating vagante bishops in the 1800’s!

ANd there are several more of those vagante groups than listed…

Such as the Byzantine Catholic Church, Inc., the Roman Orthodox Catholic Church of North America, the Orthodox Catholic Church of North America…
 
To me the one true catholic church is the one formed by a latin rite and an eastern rite. Breakaways to me are NOT part of the true church which is the catholic church. Thats just my opinion.
 
This is getting funny!

Breakaways are churches, or rather, “ecclesial communities” which reject the one, holy, catholic, and apostolic Church and the Primacy of the Pope. They are not “Catholic” in a sense, but “protestant” because they have “protested” against the Church (God’s) teaching. Though, they are not Protestants at the same time having remained some elements of truth.

Another paradox for ya.
Wow, Protestant, but Catholic. That’s hard to wrap one’s mind around.
 
I think there are two different rites of the Catholic Church

Latin Rite
  • Roman Catholic Church
Eastern Rite
  • Armenian Catholic Church
  • Belarusian Greek Catholic Church
  • Bulgarian Catholic Church
  • Chaldean Catholic Church
  • Coptic Catholic Church
  • Croatian Greek Catholic Church
  • Ethiopian Catholic Church
  • Georgian Catholic Church
  • Greek Catholic Church
  • Hungarian Greek Catholic Church
  • Italo-Albanian Catholic Church
  • Macedonian Catholic Church
  • Maronite Catholic Church
  • Melkite Catholic Church
  • Romanian Catholic Church
  • Russian Catholic Church
  • Ruthenian Catholic Church (usually called the “Byzantine Catholic Church” in the United States)
  • Slovak Greek Catholic Church
  • Syrian Catholic Church
  • Syro-Malabar Church
  • Syro-Malankara Catholic Church
  • Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church
And then are the breakaways
  • Apostolic Catholic Church
  • American Catholic Church in the United States
  • Bosnian Church (no longer in existence)
  • Brazilian Catholic Apostolic Church
  • Catholic Charismatic Church of Canada
  • Celtic Catholic Church
  • Chinese Patriotic Catholic Association
  • Communion of Christ the Redeemer
  • Free Catholic Church
  • Liberal Catholic Church
  • Mariavite Church
  • Old Catholic Church
  • Old Catholic Church of America
  • Old Catholic Church in Europe
  • Palmarian Catholic Church
  • Philippine Independent Church
  • Polish National Catholic Church
  • Sedevacantism
  • Spiritus Christi
  • True Catholic Church
God bless :byzsoc:

David
Is it really the ONE Eastern rite with all those churches in it or are each of those a different rite (melkite, maronite, ukrainian, etc). I’ve been calling them individual rites all along.
 
Within the Latin/Roman rite aren’t there different categories for the Church in different countries like the “American Catholic Church” or the “German Catholic Church” - both within the Roman Catholic Church?
 
Within the Latin/Roman rite aren’t there different categories for the Church in different countries like the “American Catholic Church” or the “German Catholic Church” - both within the Roman Catholic Church?
No, those aren’t actually different churches, although some people might off-handedly phrase it that way. A more appropriate way to phrase it might be “the Catholic Church in America” and so on. No actual different Churches.
 
The terms “rite” and “Church” are being thrown around a bit carelessly. The Catholic Church is a communion of 23 Sui Juris Churches that are all in communion with Rome. “Rites” refer to the how the Particular Churches Liturgy, spirituality, etc. is lived. There are several Eastern Rites (Byzantine, East and West Syrian, etc.)
God Bless,
Pakesh
 
No, those aren’t actually different churches, although some people might off-handedly phrase it that way. A more appropriate way to phrase it might be “the Catholic Church in America” and so on. No actual different Churches.
I know that, but what I meant is couldn’t the Catholic Church in America be considered something like a rite within the Latin rite of the Catholic Church? Or maybe I’m just wierd 🤷😃
 
I know that, but what I meant is couldn’t the Catholic Church in America be considered something like a rite within the Latin rite of the Catholic Church? Or maybe I’m just wierd 🤷😃
If I understand what you are saying, then no. The Roman Catholic Church in America uses the Latin Rite, so it wouldn’t be a rite within a rite.

God Bless,
Pakesh
 
If I understand what you are saying, then no. The Roman Catholic Church in America uses the Latin Rite, so it wouldn’t be a rite within a rite.

God Bless,
Pakesh
There is no Latin Rite of the Catholic Church. The Latin Church AKA Roman Catholic Church in America uses the Roman Rite, Ordinary Form and Extraordinary Form both of with make use of the language Latin to greater or lesser degrees. There also are religious communities such as the Domicans who celebrate their Dominican Rite from time to time in America. 🙂
 
There is no Latin Rite of the Catholic Church. The Latin Church AKA Roman Catholic Church in America uses the Roman Rite, Ordinary Form and Extraordinary Form both of with make use of the language Latin to greater or lesser degrees. There also are religious communities such as the Domicans who celebrate their Dominican Rite from time to time in America. The Anglican Usage also is celebrated in America. 🙂
 
There is no Latin Rite of the Catholic Church. The Latin Church AKA Roman Catholic Church in America uses the Roman Rite, Ordinary Form and Extraordinary Form both of with make use of the language Latin to greater or lesser degrees. There also are religious communities such as the Domicans who celebrate their Dominican Rite from time to time in America. 🙂
The terminology has expanded over the years. Roman Church, Roman Rite, Latin Church, and Latin Rite are all used in the documents of the Holy See
 
The terminology has expanded over the years. Roman Church, Roman Rite, Latin Church, and Latin Rite are all used in the documents of the Holy See
I understood the post to be referring the the liturgical rite celebrated by the Church in America. If the Church is now calling the Roman Rite Ordinary Form and the Roman Rite Extraordinary Form the “Latin Rite” that is news to me. I’ve not seen it referred to as such in the many current materials about the new translation of the Roman Missal for use with the Ordinary Form of the Rite coming in Advent.
… The Roman Catholic Church in America uses the Latin Rite…

God Bless,
Pakesh
 
I understood the post to be referring the the liturgical rite celebrated by the Church in America. If the Church is now calling the Roman Rite Ordinary Form and the Roman Rite Extraordinary Form the “Latin Rite” that is news to me. I’ve not seen it referred to as such in the many current materials about the new translation of the Roman Missal for use with the Ordinary Form of the Rite coming in Advent.
What do you make of this? “Rite” seems to mean liturgical tradition: Latin (including Roman and Ambrosian, etc.), Byzantine, Alexandrian, Coptic, Syriac, Armenian, Maronite, Chaldean.

CCC 1203 The liturgical traditions or rites presently in use in the Church are the Latin (principally the Roman rite, but also the rites of certain local churches, such as the Ambrosian rite, or those of certain religious orders) and the Byzantine, Alexandrian or Coptic, Syriac, Armenian, Maronite and Chaldean rites. In "faithful obedience to tradition, the sacred Council declares that Holy Mother Church holds all lawfully recognized rites to be of equal right and dignity, and that she wishes to preserve them in the future and to foster them in every way."69
 
Is it really the ONE Eastern rite with all those churches in it or are each of those a different rite (melkite, maronite, ukrainian, etc). I’ve been calling them individual rites all along.
It is best to speak of the Catholic Church as a whole under the title of the Catholic Communion; it introduces a level of clarity by not using “church” which is also used for Church Sui Iuris…

6 different rites exist:
Roman, Antiochene/W.Syrian, Byzantine, Chaldean/E.Syrian, Alexandrian, Armenian.
The Roman is the Western Rite; the others are called collectively the Eastern Rites (note the plural).
1 rite has mostly ceased to exist, except in hybrids: Gallican.
1 rite has ceased and been resurrected outside the Catholic Communion: Celtic

Several subrites exist; the Roman Rite’s “western rites” are really subrites of the Roman and/or Gallican rites, and the Roman and Gallican were pretty close. It’s often argued that the Gallican is just a subrite of Roman itself, and the same for the Celtic. If the Gallican and Celtic are in fact subrites of the Roman, then the various “Western Rites” are more properly recensions, rather than subrites… it’s a big grey area mired with changing historical uses of the term Rite.

The Roman Church encompasses the Roman, Ambrosian, Mozarabic, Bragan, Dominican, Carmelite, Carthusian, Anglican, Gallican and Celtic Rites.
The other 21 churches in the Catholic Communion are grouped together into the other 5 rites.

The Armenian Church is Armenian Rite; the Armenian Catholic Church is in the Catholic Communion, the Armenian Apostolic Orthodox are not, but the two are visually near identical.

The Copts and Ethiopians are the major subrites of the Alexandrian; the Eritrean Catholics are part of the Ethiopian Catholic Church, and a recension within the Ethiopian subrite… but the Eritrean Orthodox are no longer under the Ethiopian Orthodox…

The Antiochene Rite is the Maronites and Syrians (both Syrian Catholic and Syrian Orthodox), and one of the indian churches

The Chaldean Rite is the Chaldeans and the other indian church, as well as the non-catholic Assyrian Church of the East and Ancient Church of the East.

The Byzantines come in 3 subrites, and cover 14 of the Churches Sui Iuris in the Catholic Communion: Syro-Byzantine (Antiochian Orthodox and Melkite Catholic), Greco-Byzantine (Greeks, Turks, and several other more southern churches), and Slavo-byzantine (Including Russians, Ukrainians, Ruthenians, Hungarians…)
The Greco-Byzantines and Slavo-byzantines each have several recensions; some have little to no Catholic presence, and one (the Italo-Albanian) has no Orthodox presence.

The Ruthenian Recension includes the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church, Ruthenian Catholic Church, and a couple smaller Catholic Churches, as well as the Ukrainian Orthodox Kyiv Patriarchate. The Nikonian Recension includes the Russians (except Old Ritualists and Old Believers), and the Ukrainian Orthodox under the Muscovite Patriarchate. The pre-nikonian Russian Old Ritualists are their own recension, present in both Catholic and Russian Orthodox; the Old Believers have some who use it, and others who use another recension. Some argument is surfacing now that the Ruthenians in the US may have developed into a recension all their own with the recent changes…
 
Aramis, it’s a nice summary.

What is odd is that the Catechism uses terms that are slightly different than the CCEO.

There are a few of other extinct churches variants also:

Carthagenan (parent to Ancient Ambrosian, also extinct)
Benevenio

Cappadocian (from Antioch)

Ancient Roman
Sarum
Trondheim
Glagolithic

Is Lyons still extant?
 
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