diffrence between a catholic and a christian

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The Crucifix that His Holiness carried is one that someone made for him and it always sort of reminded me of the song “That Old Rugged Cross” and I thought it really looked cool. In fact if I could find a small one like it to hang on my wall, I would go get it right away. I think that the suffering of Jesus in the crucifixion is brought out by the wracked way that the corpus on it looks. It reminds me of the price that He paid for my sins and makes me not want to do them any more.

Unlike what some non-Catholics will tell you, Jesus did not condemn all tradition, but only those 'traditions of men" that negated the laws of God. In fact Jesus himself followed and approved of tradition. Example: Baptism. This is nowhere prescribed in the OT as being part of Jewish law (though many ritual cleansings were) and yet Jesus went to St. John the Baptist and insisted on being baptised by him in order “to fulfill all righteousness”, didn’t He?

In fact, St Paul tells the Corinthians (1st Cor 11:2) that he should hold fast to tradition and he tells . He says basically the same thing to the Thessalonian church in two places (2nd Thess 2:15 & 3:6) There’s a lot more to it, but that is some very basic pointers on tradition.

Nowhere in the Bible does it say that it is the all sufficient authority for all things that Christians believe. In fact St. Paul tell us that the “pillar and ground of the truth” is the church. Where did the Bible come from? The church. The jews came into existence and then wrote and collected the OT as it was written and then the Church wrote the NT and then collected it and decided just what 27 books were inspired. It only makes sense that the church should interpret te Bible since that’s where it all came from. those who tell you they go by nothing but the Bible have no unity of opinion and much confusion as to what the Bible says about varying topics. (Case in point: Baptism. Is it necessary for salvation? What does it mean and is there only one way to baptise?)

I hope all this helps. Please feel free to PM me if I can help ith anything else that you wonder about. I’ll be glad to assist in any way that I can.
Pax vobiscum,
 
Church Militant:
The Crucifix that His Holiness carried is one that someone made for him and it always sort of reminded me of the song “That Old Rugged Cross” and I thought it really looked cool. In fact if I could find a small one like it to hang on my wall, I would go get it right away.
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The Crucifix on my favorite Rosary beads is the same as the one on JPII’s staff. The person that gave them to me got them at the Knights of Columbus Museum in Connecticut. JPII’s staff and those beads are the only place I’ve ever seen it though.
 
Guess what people…If you check the links from Lizzie1’s link…guess who ya find behind her questions?
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“Mission To Catholics”** Figures they’d feed off a lot of misinformation since their "founder’ is supposedly and ex-priest now turned Baptist preacher :rolleyes:
 
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Lizzie1:
Peter was not the first Pope.
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Again, St. Irenaeus compiled the first list of the Popes sometime in the second century A.D. After that, Eusibius and others also made lists down through the ages.

Please, Lizzie1, do a little homework instead of repeating things you’ve been told. If you do, you will find that the earliest post-apostolic writings confirm this and have continued to for the last 2000 years.
Jesus is the head of the church.
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No argument there, the Pope is only His prime minister until He returns in Glory.

May the Love of God the Father, the peace of His Son Jesus Christ, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you and guide you to the Pillar of Truth.

God Bless.
 
Church Militant:
Guess what people…If you check the links from Lizzie1’s link…guess who ya find behind her questions?

"Mission To Catholics" Figures they’d feed off a lot of misinformation since their "founder’ is supposedly and ex-priest now turned Baptist preacher :rolleyes:
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It turly breaks my heart to see a former Catholic priest that had so little faith in his own truth that he now distorts it to others and they believe it because he was a Catholic priest!
I did check out the homepage link and sure enough it was to Mission to Catholics!

Why, when this man had the truth did he turn from it and distort it? It’s one thing to turn from the truth but I fear he will be found guilty for leading others away from the truth. What is it Jesus says about that? ‘It would be better to have a milestone hung around his neck and be thrown into the depths than to lead another from the truth’ or something like that?

I hate that so many people would believe a “disgruntled employee!”
 
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DianJo:
Why, when this man had the truth did he turn from it and distort it?
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Did you read his biography, “Pilgrimage from Rome?” Brewer’s “crisis of conscience” came when the Second Vatican Council did not revoke the rule of celibacy. Things went downhill from there. It’s nearly always something about sex, isn’t it?
 
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mercygate:
Did you read his biography, “Pilgrimage from Rome?” Brewer’s “crisis of conscience” came when the Second Vatican Council did not revoke the rule of celibacy. Things went downhill from there. It’s nearly always something about sex, isn’t it?
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Oh… so like Henry VIII, when Mother Church didn’t kowtow to his :crying: demands he left and decided that she and all her kids are goin’ to hell.

He didn’t have the guts to simply resign and go on with life, he had to justify himself. I wanna puke…
 
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Oh… so like Henry VIII, when Mother Church didn’t kowtow to his :crying: demands he left and decided that she and all her kids are goin’ to hell.

He didn’t have the guts to simply resign and go on with life, he had to justify himself. I wanna puke…
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Not merely justify himself but use the authority of his priesthood to give credibility to the ridiculous assertions he makes against Catholicism.
 
Church Militant:
There is no difference…none. There are differences of “denominations” and they are the result of the schisms of schisms of schism that began in 1517.
Pax vobiscum,
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I beg to differ with you on this
  1. The Catholic Church is NOT a denomination. It is THE ONE Holy Catholic Apostolic Church.
  2. What those in 1517 and beyond did when they broke away from the Church, is not okay. It was condemned by Paul. In fact he warned the Galatians more than once, that if they divided and stayed divided, they would not inherit the kingdom of heaven.
Here is how the Church defines herself.

vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20000806_dominus-iesus_en.html

As a Catholic, during these days of mourning JPII, and celebrating his life, I think of St Paul’s words to the Church of Rome. His words are playing themselves out in living color on billions of TV’s throughout the world.

Romans 1:
7 To all that are in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

8 First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is proclaimed throughout the whole world.
9 For God is my witness, whom I serve in my spirit in the gospel of his Son, how unceasingly I make mention of you, always in my prayers

10 making request, if by any means now at length I may be prospered by the will of God to come unto you.

11 For I long to see you, that I may impart unto you some spiritual gift, to the end ye may be established;

12 that is, that I with you may be comforted in you, each of us by the other’s faith, both yours and mine.

Romans 16:

17 Now I beseech you, brethren, *mark them that are causing the divisions and occasions of stumbling, contrary to the doctrine which ye learned: and turn away from them. *

18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Christ, but their own belly; and by their smooth and fair speech they beguile the hearts of the innocent.

19 For your obedience is come abroad unto all men. I rejoice therefore over you: but I would have you wise unto that which is good, and simple unto that which is evil.

20 And the God of peace shall crush Satan under your feet shortly. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. "
 
O.k. so what’s the difference now between a Catholic, a Christian, and a Protestant?
 
Kevin Walker:
O.k. so what’s the difference now between a Catholic, a Christian, and a Protestant?
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A Catholic is a Christian; a Protestant is a Christian; a Christian Catholic, however, is NOT a Christian Protestant. A Christian Protestant is a descendant of those who protested against the Chruch some 600 years ago, dissented and have splintered into thousands of denominations ever since. The Catholic Church does not have different denominations; all are one and united under one banner, one supremacy (i.e. one leader – the Pope)
 
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Lizzie1:
Why does the Church do things according to tradition and not all things according to the Bible? Thanks for all your help, God bless.
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Hi Lizzie1,

Maybe I can help answer why the Catholic Church also uses tradition along with a direct interpretation of the Bible.

The Bible is not a systematic book.

Since the Bible contains many anthropomorphisms, i.e. the ‘hand’ of God, the ‘breath’ of God, the ‘foot’ of God, etc., this was found to be offensive to many early Rabbinic, Christian, and Islamic scholars, for it implied God to have other unpleasant human qualities, and more important, it would also imply that God was corporeal, finite, limited in power and scope, and be subject to the same emotions as man thus imperfect. So immediately a literal translation of the Bible was found to be inadequate.

There are passages in the Bible which openly describe predestination, yet the tradition of grace, mercy, and forgiveness of sins has been determined by the Catholic Church to invalidate the doctrine of predestination. The Catholic Church has labled the predestination found in St. Augustine to be in error.

All the anthropormorphisms found in the Bible have been designated by Rabbis, Priests, and Mullahs as allegory and metaphors. A direct literal interpretation (Sola Scriptura) was deemed an error and not to be done c. 900 A.D.

So the use of tradition, allegory, and metaphor was agreed upon by Jewish, Christian, and Islamic scholars for the proper interpretation of the Bible. Both Rabbis and Mullahs added or subtracted revelation, law, and prophecy according to their own religious needs. But a literal translation was viewed as a mistake. Jews, Christians, and Moslems have both the Old Testament and a belief in a single God in common, and have encountered similar problems in logic in harmonizing the Bible with reason.

As a Roman Catholic Monk, Martin Luther understood the logic of this decision, which is why his use of Sola Scriptura is all the more erroneous.

So the Magisterium (the Pope and Bishops) by tradition have the authority to interpret scripture to keep everything in line and to avoid mistakes in logic and reasoning by less educated men. A thousand years of research, committee meetings, and intense scholarship on the Bible have produced a single train of Catholic thought and custom. That is one really big advantage of the Catholic Church, a single decision making entity - the Magisterium.
 
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mrS4ntA:
A Catholic is a Christian; a Protestant is a Christian; a Christian Catholic, however, is NOT a Christian Protestant. A Christian Protestant is a descendant of those who protested against the Chruch some 600 years ago, dissented and have splintered into thousands of denominations ever since. The Catholic Church does not have different denominations; all are one and united under one banner, one supremacy (i.e. one leader – the Pope)
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O.K., so why have I observed Christians debating Protestants over Scripture? One Christian told me they ignored Martin Luther and Calvin and were better able to debate the Protestants than the Catholics, since they weren’t that up on Catholic doctrine and lore.

So it seems the 21st century is producing the phenomenon of a new sect: 1) Christian; 2) Catholic; and 3) Protestant, all becoming separate entities.

Has anyone else encountered this?
 
Kevin Walker:
O.K., so why have I observed Christians debating Protestants over Scripture? One Christian told me they ignored Martin Luther and Calvin and were better able to debate the Protestants than the Catholics, since they weren’t that up on Catholic doctrine and lore.

So it seems the 21st century is producing the phenomenon of a new sect: 1) Christian; 2) Catholic; and 3) Protestant, all becoming separate entities.

Has anyone else encountered this?
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Yeah, I think that “Christian” is kind of like the non-denom we’re trying to define. They try and just read the Bible for their beliefs without consulting what anyone else in history has believed–except there own pastor of course, who has already prejudiced them with his preaching.
 
Kevin Walker:
O.K., so why have I observed Christians debating Protestants over Scripture? One Christian told me they ignored Martin Luther and Calvin and were better able to debate the Protestants than the Catholics, since they weren’t that up on Catholic doctrine and lore.

So it seems the 21st century is producing the phenomenon of a new sect: 1) Christian; 2) Catholic; and 3) Protestant, all becoming separate entities.

Has anyone else encountered this?
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The “Christians” you speak of probably prefer to call themselves evangelicals, rather than Protestants. But their root, and trunk, is Protestantism.
 
steve b:
The “Christians” you speak of probably prefer to call themselves evangelicals, rather than Protestants. But their root, and trunk, is Protestantism.
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“Christian is my name, and Catholic my surname. The one designates me, while the other makes me specific. Thus am I attested and set apart. When we are called Catholics it is by this appellation that our people are kept apart from any heretical name. [T]hose [Christian Catholics] alone are embraced in the unity of the Church who are united to the chair of St. Peter.”

– St. Pacian of Barcelona.
 
Kevin Walker:
O.K., so why have I observed Christians debating Protestants over Scripture? One Christian told me they ignored Martin Luther and Calvin and were better able to debate the Protestants than the Catholics, since they weren’t that up on Catholic doctrine and lore.

So it seems the 21st century is producing the phenomenon of a new sect: 1) Christian; 2) Catholic; and 3) Protestant, all becoming separate entities.

Has anyone else encountered this?
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"Christian is my name, and Catholic my surname. The one designates me, while the other makes me specific. Thus am I attested and set apart. When we are called Catholics it is by this appellation that our people are kept apart from any heretical name. [T]hose [Christian Catholics] alone are embraced in the unity of the Church who are united to the chair of St. Peter."
-- St. Pacian of Barcelona.​
 
Is there a link or something that helps you locate a Catholic church in my area? I am interested too. Very interested.
 
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