How do you feel about modernism within the Catholic Church? Within Orthodoxy, practices and teachings are better protected because change cannot simply be enacted through a top-down mechanism.
I’m not sure the teachings are better protected. I’ve found extreme heterodox views expressed as the offical teaching of Orthodoxy, ones that make Episcopalians nervous
Please elaborate more fully. Modernism has been condemned by several Popes, and upheld as contrary to Catholic teaching. While that does not stop individual schools of Modernist thought from attempting to change Catholic teaching, and as was the example of Pope Paul VI, and Pope John Paul II with the case of Fr. Hans Kung in trying to correct him before removing his faculties to teach as a Catholic Professor, out of hope and charity that he would reform his heterodoxy. However the fact that Fr. Kung did continue to publish his works before and after his faculties were suspended, does not make him an official voice of the Church. Nor do the writings and voices of other individuals who espouse Modernist teachings.
That’s an extremely bizarre statement. Possibly you want someone to be drawn in and ask you to elaborate, but I am not going to do that.I’ve found extreme heterodox views expressed as the offical teaching of Orthodoxy, ones that make Episcopalians nervous
Unfortunately, I can’t do that without going off topic. Perhaps in another thread.
Agreed. My point is, if you believe the church you’re entering is the true church and teaches the true faith, the fact that the church you’re leaving thinks you’re entering into schism/heresy shouldn’t matter too much.
So does it ultimately come down to my decision? I should follow what i believe is the right thing to do?
Of course, who wouldn’t follow their own sincere conscience? You mentioned in a previous post that you have been reading Church History to help decide the case for you. I went through a similar process during my own conversion from Catholicism to Orthodoxy. If you are still in the process of reading and are curious, I’d be more than happy to provide you a list of historical works written by secular, Orthodox, Catholic, and Protestant historians on the subject. The pool of sources is wide so as to avoid a collective bias in favor of either Catholicism or Orthodoxy.
Yes, that makes sense.
You forget that suffering is also a sign of a true Church and there has never been a Church that has suffered so much as the Orthodox Church. It is astonishing that the members of the Catholic Church do not see this or mention it. The greatest teaching from the Church of Rome is Redemptive Suffering. It is the jewel crown of all her teachings. It is this teaching that motivates God to supply graces into the world more than from any other teaching. God responds to undeserved sufferings in ways we could not fathom. It is my understanding that the Orthodox Church was chosen by God to suffer more than any other Church this past 1000 years in order that God can supply incredible graces into the direction of the world and yes even to the Catholic Church. Where for instance does the Catholic Church receives so many of their young saints from? You need to see the suffering Church which supplies these graces from God in response to these sufferings in order to raise certain saints where God would see fit. How can you spread the Orthodox Church when one is suffering? When St. Maria Faustina the Divine Mercy saint was suffering she had this cold reception by so many sisters who did not believe she was suffering. She responded by saying this attitude is very displeasing to the Lord for the Lord justifies suffering more than any other act by responding to it by supplying incredible graces. No one who is suffering says St. Maria is a loafer but more it is an incredible blessing because the one who is suffering is resembling Christ crucified. She mentioned what a blessing it is that there were sick sisters in any monastery. May I add even when a Church collectively is suffering as well.
This person was pointing out the Orthodox Church in the post so I argued that God is using the suffering of this Church to grant incredible graces from it. Of course this includes any Church that suffers. I do not usually make references to all these kinds of Churches as do the posts from Catholic Answers for I tend to see the Church as East and West but in these days it seems that preciseness in giving the Churches their proper name is better founded. I have a friend who is Coptic and he mentioned to me why does the Church in Egypt suffer so much. I mentioned to him perhaps it is to help the Church in Egypt to remain more faithful. I told him it would not always be this way. God will intervene somehow and someday to make it better. God allows suffering for a greater good. What we fail to see is what, when and where this greater good will occur. My observations of studying suffering is the Eastern Churches do suffer a way lot more collectively in the past 1000 years than the Catholic Church.
If I understand correctly, this “You” [singular] refers to one specific poster. I can’t comment on that since I don’t know that person. But I would say that we collectively haven’t forgotten it.