Dinosaurs and the Flood

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Just to be clear – it is not possible?
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Christ rose from the dead. The church advocates (requires) that that be understood as actually that. The talking serpent - no such requirement. So what’s possible is not the issue.
 
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Job 38

Also we should be charitable to those who may believe differently, the church allows one to accept either positions.
 
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The church advocates (requires) that that be understood as actually that. The talking serpent - no such requirement. So what’s possible is not the issue.
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Is this required?

Our first parents in Paradise sinned grievously through transgression of the Divine probationary commandment.
 
So, anyways, I watched this show about dinosaur fossils in the United States and the host of the show demonstrated that there was a sea fish fossil found in Kansas and these other shellfish fossils called birdbaths found in the Rocky Mountains. The show explained that the U.S. used to be part underwater, but I’ve been thinking that maybe it was just that the sea creatures drifted inland during the Great Flood. So how do we really know the story behind these thing for sure? They are mysteries that we can only speculate at because we have not witnessed anything that really happened.
 
Fossils are found in certain layers of sediment dated using carbon dating to certain periods of prehistory. Inland sea fossils are very, very old. Older than 6000 years, that’s for sure.

If you feel like you want to argue against the validity of carbon dating, be my guest. You’ll need some strong evidence against it, though. It’s pretty well supported.
 
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But don’t we have to believe in Adam and Eve in some literal sense? And that the fall was an historical event in some form or fashion? The catechism says:

“The account of the fall in Genesis 3 uses figurative language, but affirms a primeval event, a deed that took place at the beginning of the history of man. Revelation gives us the certainty of faith that the whole of human history is marked by the original fault freely committed by our first parents.”
 
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Yes, there’s just no way to validate carbon dating. It is not an exact science because there is no control. No control item that we have that we can absolutely ascertain as being older than recorded history by humans. Why not? Because a record of something ascertains its age. If we have no record to go with an item to prove it matches the age of the carbon dated item, we have no certainty that carbon dating even works beyond recorded history.
 
C14 dating is only valid for around 50,000 years. Something 65 million years old would not even have an atom of carbon.
 
My apologies, it’s potassium-argon dating. Potassium-argon dating is derivative of the way potassium-40 decays into argon-40. It’s not a scientific theory so much as it’s a mathematical use of scientific facts. Since potassium-40 has a half life of about 1.3 billion years, we can use meteorites, which have been unaltered since the solar system’s formation, to measure the proportion of potassium-40 and argon-40 and, by extension, the age of the solar system. This process has, for pretty much every asteroid tested, given an age of 4.5 billion years or so. Either our knowledge of radioactive decay is completely incorrect, or YEC is simply wrong.
 
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Well, the base assumptions are that we know how half-lives work and that potassium-40 decays like every other radioactive element. Both of these assumptions are, so far, completely valid and backed up by scientific research. Potassium-Argon dating stops working when something is very, very old. Older than the scientific age of the universe.
 
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The snake in Genesis is not a snake. He was a serpent. The devil is a serpent, not a snake (a dragon - see Revelation chapter 12). The Bible you are referring to is an incorrect translation. Snakes are not serpents.
 
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Well, the base assumptions are that we know how half-lives work and that potassium-40 decays like every other radioactive element. Both of these assumptions are, so far, completely valid and backed up by scientific research. Potassium-Argon dating stops working when something is very, very old. Older than the scientific age of the universe.
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Since it deals with igneous rocks we see that volcanic rocks of recent eruptions are showing very very old ages.
 
First of all, rock from volcanic eruption has been in the Earth for a very long time. It hasn’t had the chance to release argon since it went below the surface, likely near Earth’s birth. Second, we don’t measure volcanic rock for Earth’s age, we measure meteors. They’ve been in existence since the solar system formed, without a chance for outgassing.
 
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