Diocese Forbidden To Receive Christ On The Tongue

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Shin said:
One of the other physical properties of alcohol is to sterilize. And the property of the Eucharist is to heal both the body and soul of those with Faith.

One of the recommendations to PREVENT swine flu is to use alcohol to sterilize areas of potential transmission.

The swine flu has been reported to be no more dangerous than any other flu.
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Alcohol meaning surgical grade alcohol - which is 90%+ alcohol. Not wine. Wine is maybe 10-15%. It kills some germs yes, but as a means of real sterilisation? Forget it.

I repeat, other flus are NOT serious enough to kill healthy adults. Swine flu is, and it has done, as far as I am aware.

The seriousness of the swine flu is clear from the actions of the Mexican government. They too have normal influenza outbreaks, but don’t resort to closing down all shops, schools and churches for them. Unlike the swine flu.

Clearly they have sources of information that you seem to be unaware of or are not listening to, as well as the evidence of actually seeing the suffering and dead that you don’t have, that tells them that this thing is very serious. And unless you want the same in America, you’ll listen to them and take these precautions.
 
Mother_Goose said:
Our Bishop has put a ban on Communion on the tongue. I understand his concern for every ones health but I am devastated. For me, communion in the hand just feels wrong, wrong, wrong. I believe in the real presence. How could anyone become sick from Jesus. If it did happen I guess that would be the will of God. I was just starting to dream that I might have a chance to receive while kneeling. I don’t know how I will get through this. I guess I will pray, pray, pray. How did we ever get through all the other flu seasons. Thousands die from the flu every year. Why is this so different? It seems like this is just another excuse to take away our traditions. Devastated in Wisconsin
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Different strain of virus, very virulent.

How do you let go of this? First, ditch the conspiracy theory. Nobody is trying to take away our traditions. This is simply a public health issue, no more, no less.

Second, think about the fact that you’re making HOW you receive more important than WHAT you’re receiving. This is temporary. Deal with it.

Sorry if this sounds harsh, I don’t mean it to be, but if you don’t understand that this is potentially a BIG problem, that elderly people die from the flu and that communion in the hand is not problematic theologically, then you should pray for understanding of the situation as well as a resolution of it.
 
Does the Bishop have the authority to restrict people from recieving on the tongue? I thought the Magisterium stated that no one could deny this to someone. Might be missing some info here.
 
LilyM said:
Alcohol meaning surgical grade alcohol - which is 90%+ alcohol. Not wine. Wine is maybe 10-15%. It kills some germs yes, but as a means of real sterilisation? Forget it.

I repeat, other flus are NOT serious enough to kill healthy adults. Swine flu is, and it has done, as far as I am aware.

The seriousness of the swine flu is clear from the actions of the Mexican government. They too have normal influenza outbreaks, but don’t resort to closing down all shops, schools and churches for them. Unlike the swine flu.

Clearly they have sources of information that you seem to be unaware of or are not listening to, as well as the evidence of actually seeing the suffering and dead that you don’t have, that tells them that this thing is very serious. And unless you want the same in America, you’ll listen to them and take these precautions.
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"I repeat, other flus are NOT serious enough to kill healthy adults."
That’s not entirely, nor even nearly for taht matter, accurate. According to the CDC, Flu and flu-related conditions kill over 36,000 people the United States annually.
cdc.gov/flu/about/disease/us_flu-related_deaths.htm

Further reports have indicated that this flu, originally deemed responsive to existing medications, is being even more responsive than first believed. If you look at CDC data non-related to this current out break, many of the facts (such as the link provided) severely contradict the constant stream of reports. Truthfully, the only CDC data that I could find directly supporting this ‘crisis’ has been published or ‘updated’ since this ‘crisis’ began.

This reply is by “jaygo’s” spouse. I am not even Catholic and I find this attack on the Church appalling. Most Christian religions pass communion in some form and shake hands aplenty. How come it seems to always be the Catholics being depicted on the evening news? At least, that’s how it looks to me…
 
Newbie2 said:
First, ditch the conspiracy theory. Nobody is trying to take away our traditions. This is simply a public health issue, no more, no less.
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There there pet. No-one is trying to take away the Catholic traditions. Its good for you. You should know, the Catholic bishops (I know sweeping generalisations are dreadful) have been a bastion of Catholic tradition for the last 40 years, resisting attempts from all sides, to modernise Catholic teaching. Thank God for our great bishops!

THERE IS NO CRISIS IN THE CHURCH
 
FromTheAshes777 said:
Does the Bishop have the authority to restrict people from recieving on the tongue? I thought the Magisterium stated that no one could deny this to someone. Might be missing some info here.
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The quote I posted earlier from Redemptionis Sacramentum would seem to indicate that, no, the Bishop doesn’t have that authority:
Although each of the faithful always has the right to receive Holy Communion on the tongue, at his choice, if any communicant should wish to receive the Sacrament in the hand, in areas where the Bishops’ Conference with the recognitio of the Apostolic See has given permission, the sacred host is to be administered to him or her. However, special care should be taken to ensure that the host is consumed by the communicant in the presence of the minister, so that no one goes away carrying the Eucharistic species in his hand. If there is a risk of profanation, then Holy Communion should not be given in the hand to the faithful.
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Newbie2 said:
Glad you agree. 🙂
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Sorry mate, I think you’ve missed my point. That was sarcasm.

This is me being serions: the bishops of the western world, for the last 40 years, have been a complete disgrace. They have allowed the almost complete degeneration of the faith of most people of Western civilisation. They continue to allow it.

If only we’d had an Archbishop Lefebvre, or Bishop Castro de Mayer in every diocese: those were truly great men.

Recommended reading: The Mouth of the Lion (slow to get into, but well worth it), and the Horn of the Unicorn. Both by Dr David Allen White.
 
LilyM said:
Mexico had to close churches (and shops and schools etc) entirely for a time - means no Masses were said at all. I don’t know whether they’ve reopened or what they’re doing now if so. In any event, whatever they might be doing it IS preferable to err on the side of caution - unless you want churches to be forced to close entirely in parts of the US too, of course. 🤷.
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Yes, but who “closed” them. the state? the Church? And Masses were said. I personaly have a friend who was in mexico city and went to Mass during the hight of the outbreak while on an extremely long layover. Most of the reports I read said that Churches were empty? Who closed them?
 
Why is it that the Church does not take this rout with other outbreaks of far more serious illnesses in third world countries. Mass is said at mother Theresa’s home of the dying, in Africa. in places that have horrendous contagious diseases. Perhaps precautions are needed but they need to be informed and made by the right authorities
 
I am beginning to wonder if this is really a Church driven directive. It would seem that a Bishop may make his request known in expectation that His flock will obey but the request may not be backed by any sort of extra authority. Awe anyway, I really think this will pass. not necessarily the Swine flu, who know what course that will take but I think the Hysteria will pass and logic will prevail, but it is still scarey how fast people can freak out and what people will accept as authority and fact.
 
603304529 said:
Sorry mate, I think you’ve missed my point. That was sarcasm.

This is me being serions: the bishops of the western world, for the last 40 years, have been a complete disgrace. They have allowed the almost complete degeneration of the faith of most people of Western civilisation. They continue to allow it.

If only we’d had an Archbishop Lefebvre, or Bishop Castro de Mayer in every diocese: those were truly great men.

Recommended reading: The Mouth of the Lion (slow to get into, but well worth it), and the Horn of the Unicorn. Both by Dr David Allen White.
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M’kay. I agree that there have been many “questionable”, shall we say, bishops. “Complete disgrace”? Perhaps a bit strongly worded, methinks.

But we digress. I’m going with this being a public health issue, and a temporary one at that.
 
603304529 said:
Sorry mate, I think you’ve missed my point. That was sarcasm.

This is me being serions: the bishops of the western world, for the last 40 years, have been a complete disgrace. They have allowed the almost complete degeneration of the faith of most people of Western civilisation. They continue to allow it.

If only we’d had an Archbishop Lefebvre, or Bishop Castro de Mayer in every diocese: those were truly great men.

Recommended reading: The Mouth of the Lion (slow to get into, but well worth it), and the Horn of the Unicorn. Both by Dr David Allen White.
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wooohoooooo i second that!!!
 
it doesn’t matter of the priest’s fingers don’t accidently touch your mouth or tongue. Saliva can be airborne in very minute particles and can infect the priest’s hand even if he doesn’t touch you simply from the flow of your breath.
 
603304529 said:
If only we’d had an Archbishop Lefebvre, or Bishop Castro de Mayer in every diocese: those were truly great men.
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and were extra ecclesiam.
You’d have a church of schismatics with those men.
They weren’t great men. They were disobedient to the Roman Pontiff. that is the fact.

This forum truly astounds me, sometimes.
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Dan-Man916 said:
and were extra ecclesiam.
You’d have a church of schismatics with those men.
They weren’t great men. They were disobedient to the Roman Pontiff. that is the fact.

This forum truly astounds me, sometimes.
:rolleyes:
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Read the books mate - that’ll make your eyes roll into the back of your head.

What went on throughout the world in the name of Vatican 2, and the onward march to freedom and liberty was truly astounding.
 
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