Diocese leader speaks out on gay man’s job denial

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There is probably already a thread on this but I couldn’t find it.

There is something about the story that hasn’t made sense to me from the beginning. Maybe someone can explain it to me.

Why did the school allow an openly homosexual person to substitute teach, but refuse to give him the job full time? I have to think the school administration brought a lot of their problems on themselves. Shouldn’t his open homosexual lifestyle been enough to keep him from subbing too? Did the admins not see that some of the kids would get attached to him during his time subbing?

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It’s a Christian private school. I don’t know why he is surprised.

If he doesn’t like it he can apply at a secular public school

IMO
 
You are asking a valid question but without a response from them we can only speculate. I substitute taught for a while and while I had to give credentials I did not have a signed contract. It is also possible that until he subbed and people got to know him his lifestyle was not clear.
 
Johann_du_Toit said:
Maybe they had a shortage of teachers?

Or maybe they didn’t know he was an active homosexual from the beginning?
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mountee said:
You are asking a valid question but without a response from them we can only speculate. I substitute taught for a while and while I had to give credentials I did not have a signed contract. It is also possible that until he subbed and people got to know him his lifestyle was not clear.
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One on hand I hope they did not know. That sort of lets them off hook. But then again shouldn’t they be doing their due diligance before they allow someone to sub? This sounds like it was a pretty long term sub.

I have a feeling he is going to end up with a pretty decent settlement and think he deserves it.

It’s a high school. The kids are 14-18 years old. Impressionable. They are going to bond pretty quick to him if he is hip and cool. The school admins should have know better.

A shortage of teachers is no excuse. You can’t claim right discriminate based on faith, but also say “well if we are really in a pinch we wil take you”.
 
robertmidwest said:
One on hand I hope they did not know. That sort of lets them off hook. But then again shouldn’t they be doing their due diligance before they allow someone to sub? This sounds like it was a pretty long term sub.

I have a feeling he is going to end up with a pretty decent settlement and think he deserves it.

It’s a high school. The kids are 14-18 years old. Impressionable. They are going to bond pretty quick to him if he is hip and cool. The school admins should have know better.

A shortage of teachers is no excuse. You can’t claim right discriminate based on faith, but also say “well if we are really in a pinch we wil take you”.
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Without knowing all the facts, you think he deserves a decent settlement? Do you understand where that settlement money and legal fees come from?
 
Given the outcomes of Indiana and Kentucky, he will probably receive something. And that, along with everything else that has transpired over the entire debate on homosexual “rights”, is a really sad testimony of the state of morality in this, and other, countries. Make us some room Sodom, here we come.
 
Maybe the sub came through an agency, rather than a direct hire?

I’m a substitute school nurse through an agency, and the district shares nurses between the public school and the Catholic schools.
 
Just wanted to add–a friend of my husband and me, a lay man, was the principal of his local Catholic night school. He had to sign a morality clause–no living with his girlfriend, not a allowed to get her pregnant, no public drunkeness, no getting arrested.

Basically, anything public and visible.
 
DaisymaeD said:
Just wanted to add–a friend of my husband and me, a lay man, was the principal of his local Catholic night school. He had to sign a morality clause–no living with his girlfriend, not a allowed to get her pregnant, no public drunkeness, no getting arrested.

Basically, anything public and visible.
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Right. Why didn’t they mention this when he was subbing? Then later after he was offered a full time job it was a problem. Their sloppy practices opened them to a lawsuit and bunch of disgruntled kids.

This seems to be a pattern over and over again–bishops and administrators who think they are above the law.
 
Another reason why to keep your Facebook account on lockdown to non-friends (it’s not that hard to do, mine is) and to not have co-workers as friends on FB.
 
Dear robertmidwest–possibly he was hired through a temp agency. I’m not saying he was, but it would be easy for him to slip through if he weren’t a direct hire.
 
robertmidwest said:
One on hand I hope they did not know. That sort of lets them off hook. But then again shouldn’t they be doing their due diligance before they allow someone to sub? This sounds like it was a pretty long term sub.

I have a feeling he is going to end up with a pretty decent settlement and think he deserves it.

It’s a high school. The kids are 14-18 years old. Impressionable. They are going to bond pretty quick to him if he is hip and cool. The school admins should have know better.

A shortage of teachers is no excuse. You can’t claim right discriminate based on faith, but also say “well if we are really in a pinch we wil take you”.
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This is true, but we should be asking why so many christian schooled young people are siding with whats cool and hip in the secular world? I guess all their past years at a catholic school were all for nothing???

In reality, the school kids themselves SHOULD be the ones creating petitions to have him removed, NOT to keep him…LOL Geez, has everything theyve been taught went in one ear and out the other, or have they also been ‘brainwashed’ by the hip secular world and willing to set their beliefs aside for whats trendy? scary imo., maybe the school admin needs to take a look at this behavior and change some things, because its obvious these kids were led astray at some point.
 
The fact is, teens aren’t as well informed in this issue as they think they are. Nor are their parents. Last year when that equal-sign Facebook user pic was making the rounds, I was surprised at how many parents of my kids’ classmates were using it. Not just one or two parents, either. And, they were congratulating themselves and each other on how broad minded they were.

Some of them are led by a misguided compassion–they don’t want to hurt anybody’s feelings. And, here have been some high profile suicides of gay teens. Some parents are convince that any objection or even questions will drive a teenager to suicide, and it will be “all their fault”.

Then you have the media, even a Disney Channel had a lesbian couple on one of their kid shows. They chose a show that was slated for cancellation anyway (no risk!). But all media portrayals nowadays are of the cool, hip and funny gays who would be PERFECTLY FINE is only teh evul christians would just leave them alone…

It’s a lot to strive against.
 
DaisymaeD said:
The fact is, teens aren’t as well informed in this issue as they think they are. Nor are their parents. Last year when that equal-sign Facebook user pic was making the rounds, I was surprised at how many parents of my kids’ classmates were using it. Not just one or two parents, either. And, they were congratulating themselves and each other on how broad minded they were.

Some of them are led by a misguided compassion–they don’t want to hurt anybody’s feelings. And, here have been some high profile suicides of gay teens. Some parents are convince that any objection or even questions will drive a teenager to suicide, and it will be “all their fault”.

Then you have the media, even a Disney Channel had a lesbian couple on one of their kid shows. They chose a show that was slated for cancellation anyway (no risk!). But all media portrayals nowadays are of the cool, hip and funny gays who would be PERFECTLY FINE is only teh evul christians would just leave them alone…

It’s a lot to strive against.
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You are right, most kids nowadays want to be as politically correct as possible, I realize the kids going to catholic schools are supposed to get a religious education, but in reality, they are not separated from the rest of the world, they know what is popular and what is not among other young people, but the fact that they seem to side with the LGBT community should be a major concern, hopefully school admins take notice of this and plan accordingly to ensure future classes are not like this.

I mean, what happens when all these quasi-liberal catholics grow up? Will they decide its best to alter the churches stance on certain topics? This is what we will be dealing with if this does not change.
 
robertmidwest said:
Right. Why didn’t they mention this when he was subbing? Then later after he was offered a full time job it was a problem. Their sloppy practices opened them to a lawsuit and bunch of disgruntled kids.

This seems to be a pattern over and over again–bishops and administrators who think they are above the law.
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Do you not read your own links?

In the original article, it states this. "He said school officials were impressed and a school leader said McCubbin was their pick. But after a background check and social media scan a few days later, school leaders discovered something that made them think twice.

With a few clicks online, anyone can see McCubbin is in a same-sex relationship."

In post number two, you shared the following link. thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2015/04/09/3645062/iowa-students-stage-walkout-catholic-school-rejects-teacher-openly-gay/
Which had the following statement. ““We withdrew an offer of a full time position to a substitute teacher based on discovering late in the employment process that his lifestyle was inconsistent with the teachings of the Catholic Church,” the letter to alumni read. “As a Catholic school we have an obligation to uphold the church’s teachings as they are defined.””
 
St_Pancake said:
Do you not read your own links?

discovering late in the employment process
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That is what I am talking about. They let him start subbing before they checked out his background. They offered him a full time job before they knew his background.

The first link was added in by a moderator, not me.
 
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