Diocese of Salt Lake City's report on the investigation into the 'bleeding host' at St. Francis Xavier Church

[gilliam]

Summary Conclusion: In November of 2015, it was alleged that a consecrated host (communion bread wafer) from Saint Francis Xavier Church in Kearns, Utah, appeared to be bleeding. A thorough investigation has concluded that the host did not bleed, but the change of appearance in the host was due to red bread mold. The consecrated host has been disposed of in a reverent manner, as is required.

icatholic.org/article/diocese-of-salt-lake-citys-report-on-the-investigation-3358460

 

[boomerang]

Hmmmm… perhaps the illuminati are conspiring to make us think it* really isn’t *type AB blood! :hypno: I want a re-test! :crying:

 

[robertmidwest]

Can we get a real test on the one in Buenos Aires now? And Poland too?

Hats off to this diocese for handling it so well.

No one’s faith should be shattered by this!!!

 

[mikekle]

Can we get a real test on the one in Buenos Aires now? And Poland too?

As much as Id like that to come to fruition, Id say it will never happen, if they found actual scientific proof that our religion was right all along and it is all very real, that could cause some serious implications in the secular world.

 

[MiserableSinner]

There have been many miracles with the Holy Eucharist.

CAL mentioned one that was tested and turned out to be a human heart. Literally the Heart of the Son of God. That is what we consume every time we consume His Body. It is His Heart. Literally God’s Heart.

There was another one hundreds of years ago that is still on display. It turned into a heart also.

There are a lot of Eucharistic miracles and yes CAL mentioned one that was tested. Maybe this one was not a real miracle but there have been real miracles confirmed with regards to the Holy Eucharist.

 

[EmperorNapoleon]

As much as Id like that to come to fruition, Id say it will never happen, if they found actual scientific proof that our religion was right all along and it is all very real, that could cause some serious implications in the secular world.

Its more likely that people just don’t want to find out they’ve been venerating a moldy piece of bread. Faith is more important than truth for some people.

 

[Catholic1954]

Its more likely that people just don’t want to find out they’ve been venerating a moldy piece of bread. Faith is more important than truth for some people.

It was not just a piece of moldy bread. It was a consecrated host and therefore the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Our Risen Lord, Jesus Christ.

 

[Mike_from_NJ]

Mold? At least it wasn’t sewerage.

It was not just a piece of moldy bread. It was a consecrated host and therefore the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Our Risen Lord, Jesus Christ.

If what we perceive as the bread of the Eucharist are merely accidents and not truly bread, is there a way we can understand how mold grew on something that only appears to be bread?

 

[TCEL]

I know this answer won’t satisfy the moldy bread question; but it truly is a difficult teaching hard to accept, as it says in the gospels. I don’t expect people to just get it when I myself don’t; but I’m comfortable with that tension. What I take no truck with is mockery, just as I don’t truck with mockery of my family who don’t believe in God.

 

[Crusaderbear]

Isn’t the fact that so many stopped and took time to consider the possibility of a miracle not a miracle in itself?

 

[Della]

Mold? At least it wasn’t sewerage.

It seems to me that this was more about India’s blasphemy laws than a supposed miracle. The man has a perfect right to doubt and express his doubts, IMHO.

If what we perceive as the bread of the Eucharist are merely accidents and not truly bread, is there a way we can understand how mold grew on something that only appears to be bread?

No, that’s not right. The appearances remain those of bread and wine, and are subject to the ordinary laws of nature, which is why hosts are consumed before they can become stale. Once they do degenerate, they are no longer the body and blood of Christ. So mold can develop on unconsumed consecrated hosts. It’s why the diocese investigated this host–to determine if is was merely a natural occurrence or a supernatural one.

 

[ProVobis]

Once they do degenerate, they are no longer the body and blood of Christ. So mold can develop on unconsumed consecrated hosts.

Good point.

Besides the visions of a miracle (or lack of it) aren’t a matter of faith.

 

[Della]

Good point.

Besides the visions of a miracle (or lack of it) aren’t a matter of faith.

Just to clarify for our seekers and lurkers, not a matter of de fide faith–the faith once delivered that we must believe, you mean, of course. Even if a miracle is ruled “worthy of belief” we are not obligated to believe it nor follow any devotion that arises from it. :tiphat:

 

[7_Sorrows]

I have never heard of red bread mold. how would that get on a wafer (host)? could it make someone sick?

 

[Della]

I have never heard of red bread mold. how would that get on a wafer (host)? could it make someone sick?

Mold spores are everywhere, floating in the air. If a host got a bit damp, mold could easily grow on it. I don’t know if that particular mold can make people sick, but there are those that can.

 

[7_Sorrows]

Mold spores are everywhere, floating in the air. If a host got a bit damp, mold could easily grow on it. I don’t know if that particular mold can make people sick, but there are those that can.

thank you Della! wasn’t that particular host given to a young boy? perhaps his hands were sweaty or damp with water or juice.

 

[Della]

thank you Della! wasn’t that particular host given to a young boy? perhaps his hands were sweaty or damp with water or juice.

You’re welcome. :tiphat: I’m sorry I don’t know the particulars of this case.

 

[mommyof4]

It was not just a piece of moldy bread. It was a consecrated host and therefore the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Our Risen Lord, Jesus Christ.

Correct. So whether it was bleeding or not, it is proper to venerate it.

 

[ProVobis]

Just to clarify for our seekers and lurkers, not a matter of de fide faith–the faith once delivered that we must believe, you mean, of course. Even if a miracle is ruled “worthy of belief” we are not obligated to believe it nor follow any devotion that arises from it. :tiphat:

I agree, unless it’s the deciding factor of making one a saint.

 

[Della]

I agree, unless it’s the deciding factor of making one a saint.

Making who a saint? A visionary or ordinary Catholic who chooses not to follow a particular devotion. Because I never heard that anyone was kept from being declared a saint for not following a particular devotion–not when there are so many to choose from. No one can possibly follow every devotion, so which one would they have to have followed in order to be declared a saint? Or am I completely missing what you meant–which is the most likely option.