Directory of traditional OF Masses

[Anthony86]

Could you define the difference. I am a fairly new catholic and don’t know what EF or OF stand for or what the difference is. Thank you.

EF stands for ‘extraordinary form’ and OF for ‘ordinary form’. They refer to two forms of the Roman Rite.

The EF is the older Latin Mass and is also referred to as Tridentine. Some parishes or institutes have a particular devotion or attachment to this form of the Rite. The EF is typically celebrated according to the 1962 Missal.

The OF is post-Vatican II and is also referred to as Novus Ordo, i.e. the New Order. The great majority of parishes celebrate in the ordinary form.

 

[LegoGE1947]

EF stands for ‘extraordinary form’ and OF for ‘ordinary form’. They refer to two forms of the Roman Rite.

The EF is the older Latin Mass and is also referred to as Tridentine. Some parishes or institutes have a particular devotion or attachment to this form of the Rite. The EF is typically celebrated according to the 1962 Missal.

The OF is post-Vatican II and is also referred to as Novus Ordo, i.e. the New Order. The great majority of parishes celebrate in the ordinary form.

Then St Mary is an FSSP The mass is TLM, pre-Vatican 2. St Mary is an Oratory rather than a parish. I’m not sure what that difference is either. I’ve only attended mass there one or two times.

 

[ProVobis]

Then St Mary is an FSSP The mass is TLM, pre-Vatican 2. St Mary is an Oratory rather than a parish. I’m not sure what that difference is either. I’ve only attended mass there one or two times.

I believe it is still run by the Institute of Christ the King (Latin: Institutum Christi Regis Summi Sacerdotis). I’ve been there a few times myself. A lot of the church, especially the downstairs, was restored by the parishioners themselves. It is an EF (Extraordinaria Forma).

 

[LegoGE1947]

I believe it is still run by the Institute of Christ the King (Latin: Institutum Christi Regis Summi Sacerdotis). I’ve been there a few times myself. A lot of the church, especially the downstairs, was restored by the parishioners themselves. It is an EF (Extraordinaria Forma).

Thanks. I knew it was run by some institute, I just could not remember the name. I’ve been downstairs where they have an adoration chapel that sort of looks like a cave. What about its name “oratory?” How is that differ from a parish?

 

[Anthony86]

Thanks. I knew it was run by some institute, I just could not remember the name. I’ve been downstairs where they have an adoration chapel that sort of looks like a cave. What about its name “oratory?” How is that differ from a parish?

A parish is a section of a diocese, whose faithful are under the guidance of an appointed priest.

An oratory is a structure other than a parish church, dedicated to prayer and the celebration of the Mass. There are both public and private oratories.

So an oratory does not have a parish attached to it the way a parish church does.

 

[ProVobis]

Thanks. I knew it was run by some institute, I just could not remember the name. I’ve been downstairs where they have an adoration chapel that sort of looks like a cave. What about its name “oratory?” How is that differ from a parish?

You’re talking about the grotto, entranced from the side there? Yes, the Institute built that in the 90’s.

Oratory comes from the Latin (“orare,” to pray). I think it was formerly a Shrine but I could be wrong. Some churches, especially the small ones, are simply called “chapels.” I suppose there are some distinctions but I can’t think of them right now.

 

[LegoGE1947]

You’re talking about the grotto, entranced from the side there? Yes, the Institute built that in the 90’s.

Oratory comes from the Latin (“orare,” to pray). I think it was formerly a Shrine but I could be wrong. Some churches, especially the small ones, are simply called “chapels.” I suppose there are some distinctions but I can’t think of them right now.

That is right. I do remember they call the basement “The Grotto” To me it is like an adoration chapel although at first glance it is kind of spooky. Ever been to the Adoration Chapel at Holy Family Parish at the corner of North Alpine and Highcrest? You seem familiar with Rockford, IL so just wondering.

 

[ProVobis]

That is right. I do remember they call the basement “The Grotto” To me it is like an adoration chapel although at first glance it is kind of spooky.

Someone told me it was a reminder to the early days of the church when Christians held Masses in catacombs. Did you notice the cloth on the altar rails in the main church? The pastor there said it was actually requested by the bishop as a reminder to the way the early Christians received.

Ever been to the Adoration Chapel at Holy Family Parish at the corner of North Alpine and Highcrest? You seem familiar with Rockford, IL so just wondering.

I believe that’s the parish where my folks used to attend Mass some 30 years ago. (Certainly looks familiar from the photos I just saw of it.) Is that where you go normally?

 

[LegoGE1947]

Someone told me it was a reminder to the early days of the church when Christians held Masses in catacombs. Did you notice the cloth on the altar rails in the main church? The pastor there said it was actually requested by the bishop as a reminder to the way the early Christians received.

I believe that’s the parish where my folks used to attend Mass some 30 years ago. (Certainly looks familiar from the photos I just saw of it.) Is that where you go normally?

Yes it is. They are currently observing their 50th anniversary as a parish. We have a very good pastor name of Fr Edward Seisser. A really cool Bible teacher too.

I have noticed at St Mary’s the cloths they put on the altar rail during communion. I had wondered what that was about. This is interesting. Thanks for the info:thumbsup:

 

[LisaB]

Thanks for the tips. Is there an FSSP or any EF Masses in the Lake Tahoe area at all?
Does the Cathedral in Reno have altar boys only or both boys & girls? What about confession?
When you are skiing in Tahoe, how long does it take to get to the Cathedral?
Thanks for the help. Pax

I don’t think there is FSSP in Tahoe. I believe the closest one is in Sacramento. You can check out all their locations on their main site at fssp.com/press/locations/. The Sacramento church has a Mass at 10:30 and 1 pm according to their site, so if you are driving home through Sacramento at that time, you could stop for Mass there.

The Cathedral in Reno does occasionally have EF Masses, but not every Sunday. When I was there last new years, they had a Mass in EF on Jan 1 I believe for the holy day.

You can check out more info about the Cathedral at stacathedral.com/. They don’t have confessions before every Mass. I don’t remember if there were altar girls, although I do remember that EMHCs were used to distribute communion. But still, in comparison to your “average” parish in California/NV, the Cathedral in Reno is very nice. I just looked at their bulletin, and they are now offering Latin classes there with a professional instructor. I wish I lived close enough to attend those!

Reno is about 30-40 mins from northern Tahoe. Depends where you are staying exactly. They have a 5 pm Mass on Sunday that’s easy to get to after a day of skiing if you don’t insist on skiing the very last chair of the day! I miss the ski season already.

 

[ProVobis]

You’re talking about the grotto, entranced from the side there? Yes, the Institute built that in the 90’s.

Correction on that. It was built much before then.

institute-christ-king.org/rockford/rockford-grotto/

 

[Credo_in_Deum]

Fair point. Perhaps it might be better to title it “OF Masses leaning toward the traditional.” Or “…pre 1962 practices.” Just saying.

I would think the better title would be “OF Masses leaning toward what Vatican II and Pope Paul VI had hoped would be considered when celebrating the OF liturgy”

CONSTITUTION
ON THE SACRED LITURGY
SACROSANCTUM CONCILIUM

SOLEMNLY PROMULGATED BY
HIS HOLINESS
POPE PAUL VI

1. Particular law remaining in force, the use of the Latin language is to be preserved in the Latin rites.
2. In Masses which are celebrated with the people, a suitable place may be allotted to their mother tongue. This is to apply in the first place to the readings and “the common prayer,” but also, as local conditions may warrant, to those parts which pertain to the people, according to the norm laid down in Art. 36 of this Constitution.
   Nevertheless steps should be taken so that the faithful may also be able to say or to sing together in Latin those parts of the Ordinary of the Mass which pertain to them.
3. The Church acknowledges Gregorian chant as specially suited to the Roman liturgy: therefore, other things being equal, it should be given pride of place in liturgical services.
4. In the Latin Church the pipe organ is to be held in high esteem, for it is the traditional musical instrument which adds a wonderful splendor to the Church’s ceremonies and powerfully lifts up man’s mind to God and to higher things.

 

[Philosoraptor]

CiD, that’s judgmental…

An admirable project, but the parish will probably fluctuate as priests move in and out. Hopefully the entire American Church is slowly (so slowly!) moving more towards what Sacrosanctum Concilium intended, and that the liturgical ‘experiments’ of the 70s are dying away. More people are reading Cardinal Ratzinger’s Spirit of the Liturgy and realizing that the liturgy of the past fifty years has been vastly impoverished - and we are slowly recovering it.