Disappointed in local Secular Franciscan chapter

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Thank you for all the great information. Sorry I got the name wrong. I’m going to share this with my neighbor who calls himself a Third Order Franciscan.
I don’t have a vocation to the Franciscans, (I was poor once and I didn’t like it!) but I help a visiting Capuchin in my diocese who is a great priest. I recognize in him some of the best qualities of St Francis. Maybe some of his Franciscan spirit will rub off on me and make me a better Catholic.
The person that may calls himself a Third Order Franciscan may be a member of SFO and just using the old name (Third Order Secular) or an inactive member that left before the name change. Most members of TOR usually tend to be priests or religious brothers so if he is a lay person I doubt he is a member of TOR. There is a chance they also may be a tertiary of a Franciscan Order but they technically aren’t part of an Order they are associated with an Order.

You don’t have to be physically poor to be a Franciscan. You only have to not be attached to money or anything you own. You have to be willing to give it up. If you are a married member of SFO you still have to provide for your family and just because you are a member of SFO that doesn’t mean the rest of your family is.
 
I don’t know why I’m posting this here, but I just sent an e-mail to the Minister stating that I’m bowing out…for now.

My spirit isn’t troubled by this action. It’s at peace – though I do pray that I may someday find my place.
 
Thank you for all the great information. Sorry I got the name wrong. I’m going to share this with my neighbor who calls himself a Third Order Franciscan.
I don’t have a vocation to the Franciscans, (I was poor once and I didn’t like it!) but I help a visiting Capuchin in my diocese who is a great priest. I recognize in him some of the best qualities of St Francis. Maybe some of his Franciscan spirit will rub off on me and make me a better Catholic.
The Capuchin Friars Minor are an awesome group. I know the ones from Pittsburgh. I worked with them in the missions during the 1970s to early 80s. I also was their vocation director down there. We did retreat ministry together and ministry to people in the back hills of Latin America. They are a very holy group of friars.

JR 🙂
 
The person that may calls himself a Third Order Franciscan may be a member of SFO and just using the old name (Third Order Secular) or an inactive member that left before the name change. Most members of TOR usually tend to be priests or religious brothers so if he is a lay person I doubt he is a member of TOR. There is a chance they also may be a tertiary of a Franciscan Order but they technically aren’t part of an Order they are associated with an Order.

You don’t have to be physically poor to be a Franciscan. You only have to not be attached to money or anything you own. You have to be willing to give it up. If you are a married member of SFO you still have to provide for your family and just because you are a member of SFO that doesn’t mean the rest of your family is.
This is very true. The Franciscan family is very strong on fulfilling one’s duties within one’s state in life. If one has a family or dependent parents, they are not Franciscans, you are. They still have to be provided for.

There is only one thing that I wanted to mention. There are no more tertiaries. The tertiaries were disbanded by the General Chapter of the Secular Franciscan Order of 2002. One must be either a Secular Franciscan (SFO), Third Order Regular (TOR), or a member of one of the other Franciscan communities, usually called OSF, Order of St. Francis.

By the way the TOR are like the Friars Minor. They are all Brothers with a capital B. Within the TOR and the OFM families, there are Brothers who are ordained, but they are still Brothers. The Order considers their primary duty and role in life to be Franciscans. Everything related to the priesthood is a vocation within a man’s vocation to be a Franciscan. That’s why they are called clerical brothers and lay brothers. Among ourselves and in our places of ministry we try to avoid calling one person a brother and another a priest to the point that even the habit is the same. In many parishes the bulletin simply says Friars or Brothers.

When you walk into a parish or other institution run by Franciscan friars, you often have to ask which one is a priest. The don’t usually tell you upfront.

Lay simply means, someone who is not a deacon, priest or bishop. For example, all sisters and nuns are lay women, even though they are religious.

Religious is a person in vows. Secular is a person is not in vows.

The breakdown is this way.

Lay = not ordained
Cleric = ordained
Religious = in vows
Secular = not in vows.

One can combine different states. Most priests are secular. All religious women are lay, but not secular. There are secular men and women in private vows. Canonically, they are religious. Even though they give the external appearance of being secular men or women.

A man can be: religious and cleric, religious and lay, or secular and cleric

A woman can only be religious and lay or secular and lay

The difference within the Franciscan family is that the lay brothers have the same rights, make the same vows, have the same obligations, and are equal to the priests in the Order.

In our parish we have 7 friars.

1)The superior of the community is a lay brother who teaches theology at the university

2)The pastor is a priest. 3) Another priest is an associate and 4) one lay brother is also an associate. 5) Another lay brother is the Director of Religious Education. 6) The other priest is a social worker and counselor for Catholic Charities and 7) the final lay brother is a professor of moral theology at the local seminary. All of these men answer to the superior of the house.

We also have two Secular Franciscan permanent deacons.

Usually the friars are not allowed to be permanent deacons, because a deacon is a member of the clergy. The TOR and the OFM, OFM Cap and the OFM Conv only ordain the men who are approved by their brothers. This guarantees that the order will always be a lay order by having more lay brothers than clerics. It was never Francis’ intention to start an order of clerics. It was always his intention to have a lay order, both regular (in friaries) and secular (in the world) and monastic (Poor Clares in the monastery).

As you can see folks, the Franciscans are a very diverse group of men and women.

Fraternally,

JR 🙂
 
One must be either a Secular Franciscan (SFO), Third Order Regular (TOR), or a member of one of the other Franciscan communities, usually called OSF, Order of St. Francis.

As you can see folks, the Franciscans are a very diverse group of men and women.

Fraternally,

JR 🙂
Hi Sir:

I just would like to know where the other Franciscan Orders like the CFR (Franciscan Friars of the Renewal), (Franciscan Missionary Sisters) FMM, FMIJ, the friars of EWTN are classified. I read somewhere that they comprise the ‘fourth orders’… Is this correct?

Thanks,

albertziggy:rolleyes:
 
There is only one thing that I wanted to mention. There are no more tertiaries. The tertiaries were disbanded by the General Chapter of the Secular Franciscan Order of 2002.
Actually I have heard a few groups (non-SFO or offical Ordered groups) associated with Franciscan monasteries call themselves tertiaries as opposed to associates. Whether that is their official name via the Order or not I don’t know when I was referring to tertiaries I was referring to groups of lay people that help out a particular monastery or religious order and are losely bound to that order.
 
Hi Sir:

I just would like to know where the other Franciscan Orders like the CFR (Franciscan Friars of the Renewal), (Franciscan Missionary Sisters) FMM, FMIJ, the friars of EWTN are classified. I read somewhere that they comprise the ‘fourth orders’… Is this correct?

Thanks,

albertziggy:rolleyes:
JR will be able to tell their status better then me but I can tell you there is no “fourth order” within the Franciscan family. I believe the friars of EWTN are an official offshoot of the OFM Capuchin order. They are still bound to the Capuchins and follow their Rule but they are their own group. The only other possability is that they may be a third Order offshoot with their own name. Many of the TOR groups that serve particular communities will come up with different names for their groups but are still bound by the rule and constitutions of the higher authority.
 
I don’t know why I’m posting this here, but I just sent an e-mail to the Minister stating that I’m bowing out…for now.

My spirit isn’t troubled by this action. It’s at peace – though I do pray that I may someday find my place.
I, too, have been visiting a local fraternity for about 5 months and I’m slowly putting together the application to the formation period. I say “slowly” because I, too, have been a bit hesitant.

I found a lot of activity but not so much substance. Everyone had their “pet” ministry or parish activity with which they invested their time, but I found little focus on praying together regularly…which is something I would really enjoy. A simple incorporation of one of the major hours of the office into the monthly meeting would suffice. But perhaps this lack is my opportunity to contribute. Perhaps that is one aspect of my call to the order. Time will tell.

I am also drawn to having a specific rule to follow, which is one of the strengths I find in other groups, such as the Confraternity of Penitents. The SFO rule seems too general. But perhaps that is also a strength. (JR, what’s your take on it?) The one thing that keeps me going is the fraternal element. Since the SFO have numbers on their side the opportunity to grow and work with others is more realistic, which isn’t the case with the CFP – at least in my situation.

God’s peace,

ausculta
 
I found a lot of activity but not so much substance. Everyone had their “pet” ministry or parish activity with which they invested their time, but I found little focus on praying together regularly…which is something I would really enjoy. A simple incorporation of one of the major hours of the office into the monthly meeting would suffice. But perhaps this lack is my opportunity to contribute. Perhaps that is one aspect of my call to the order. Time will tell.
This is definitly an area for improvement. After my inquiry period the formation team asked us what were the strengths and weaknesses of the formation process and the fraternity. They listened to the feedback and feed it back to the council. Several of our suggestions were incorperated into the next inquiry class.
Don’t be afraid to humbily suggest things like that you think the fraternity needs a little more prayer time.

Our fraternity has some type of prayer every meeting, whether it be evening prayer (the most common type before meetings), a Mass, Eucharistic adoration, prayer during and after a Saint name extraction, or even a minor prayer before something like the Christmas party, it varies month by month.
I am also drawn to having a specific rule to follow, which is one of the strengths I find in other groups, such as the Confraternity of Penitents. The SFO rule seems too general. But perhaps that is also a strength. (JR, what’s your take on it?)
If you think the Rule is very general you may want to make sure you have read the entire Rule and all the Constitutions. They are all available at nafra-sfo.org/

I personally see the fact the rule tends to be general as a strength. You are bound to follow the Gospel in the manner of St. Francis. The specifics as to how it applies to your personal life are not defined by the Order but by you in conjunction with a spiritual director/advisor. There are many suggestions along the way (i.e. praying the Liturgy of the Hours) but they aren’t hard fast requirements. The Rule mentions things like frequent attendance at Mass, confession, etc. but it doesn’t specify what frequent means. Frequent can mean different things to a married person with young kids, then it does to a single person, then a person in a nursing home. The Order doesn’t define the hard and fast rules other then those defined in the Rule, you in conjunction with your spiritual director do.
 
Actually I have heard a few groups (non-SFO or offical Ordered groups) associated with Franciscan monasteries call themselves tertiaries as opposed to associates. Whether that is their official name via the Order or not I don’t know when I was referring to tertiaries I was referring to groups of lay people that help out a particular monastery or religious order and are losely bound to that order.
You’re probably right about them being associates. Tertiaries was used when we referred to the three orders by their date for founding. We used the call the Friars Minor the First Order, the Poor Clares were the Second Order and the Brothers and Sisters of Penance were called Third Order Secular and Third Order Regular.

We have dropped those numbers and just refer to each order by its given name.

JR 🙂
 
Hi Sir:

I just would like to know where the other Franciscan Orders like the CFR (Franciscan Friars of the Renewal), (Franciscan Missionary Sisters) FMM, FMIJ, the friars of EWTN are classified. I read somewhere that they comprise the ‘fourth orders’… Is this correct?

Thanks,

albertziggy:rolleyes:
The Franciscan Missionaries of the Eternal Word are an off-shoot of the Poor Clares of Perpetual Adoration. Their first superior and Formation Director is a Capuchin. They don’t have a rule. The have a Constitution, which they can change whenever they want to do so. You cannot change a rule. Their Constitution takes a lot from the spirituality of the Poor Clares and the organization of the Capuchin Friars Minor.

The Congregation of the Franciscans of the Renewal (CFR) and the Franciscans of the Primitive Observance (FPO) are branches of the Capuchin Friars Minor. Eventually they will become independent, but not yet. They have to prove that they can sustain themselves financially, that they have something to offer that the Church does not already have, and that they can get vocations. They they will be given their autonomy and be placed under the Secular Franciscan Order. Neither of these communities is a clerical community, though they do have ordained friars. The do not work in parishes. The CFR work among the poor and the FPO are contemplatives.

All communities of active sisters and brothers are part of the Secular Franciscan Order. They have their own government, but they follow the Rule of the SFO.

Fraternally,

JR 🙂
 
I, too, have been visiting a local fraternity for about 5 months and I’m slowly putting together the application to the formation period. I say “slowly” because I, too, have been a bit hesitant.

I found a lot of activity but not so much substance. Everyone had their “pet” ministry or parish activity with which they invested their time, but I found little focus on praying together regularly…which is something I would really enjoy. A simple incorporation of one of the major hours of the office into the monthly meeting would suffice. But perhaps this lack is my opportunity to contribute. Perhaps that is one aspect of my call to the order. Time will tell.

I am also drawn to having a specific rule to follow, which is one of the strengths I find in other groups, such as the Confraternity of Penitents. The SFO rule seems too general. But perhaps that is also a strength. (JR, what’s your take on it?) The one thing that keeps me going is the fraternal element. Since the SFO have numbers on their side the opportunity to grow and work with others is more realistic, which isn’t the case with the CFP – at least in my situation.

God’s peace,

ausculta
First of all, every Fraternity should be praying together. You certainly should mention that to your Formation Director. As I’ve said over and over again, American SFO’s are very different from SFO’s around the world. The Americans have become more secularized. But unless others enter the Order with the desire to follow Francis and to lead their brothers and sisters in returning to the roots of our family, it isn’t going to happen.

Moving along, the Confraternity is not a religious order. They are a private association of the faithful. The Secular Franciscans are a secular religious order. They are a public association of the faithful, as are the other Franciscan orders. Their profession is a public profession received by the Church. Such is not the case with the Confraternities. Confraternities are founded for a different reason. They are founded to follow a particular spirituality, without a life-long commitment. They do much good for their members and the Church, but that is their major difference.

The Confraternity is not part of the Franciscan family, nor do they claim to be. They do have Franciscan succession, nor do they want to have it. They are very happy with their autonomy, because it does allow for great flexibility in how they live their Christian vocation. For many people, this is a very good thing.

The Rule and Constitutions of the Secular Franciscan Order have to be read in layers. If you look at them at face-value, they sound very generic. But stop and think of one simple example. The Rule and Constitutions say that the life of Secular Franciscan is to live the Gospel in the manner of St. Francis. That means that you must become very familiar with Francis’ life and spirituality and apply it to living the Gospel. In other words, you are promising to live the Gospel as Francis lived it. The Rule and Constitutions are not the place where you will find Francis’ life story and his spirituality. That you will find in the biographies and theology books written about him and in his other writings. If you take each statement of the Rule or the Constitutions, it sends you back to Francis’ life to find out how to implement it.

When the Rule and Constitutions call us to prayer, but never mention the Liturgy of the Hours, many Secular Franciscans in the USA have mistakenly believed that the Liturgy of the Hours is not for them. But if you look at Francis writings on prayer, he refers to the Liturgy of the Hours. He speaks of reciting the Breviary.

The same happens when the Rule speaks about simplicity, poverty, humility etc. Always go back to the life of Francis and see how he lived these virtues.

I hope this helps and that you can use it to help others.

Fraternally,

JR 🙂
 
I have been attending meetings with the local chapter of the Secular Franciscans since September and since then have become familiar with just about all the members.

One of the members was gracious enough to host a potluck dinner at his house this evening. I was invited and was the only “newbie” in attendance. When I arrived at his house, I was slightly shocked to find a very large flat screen television in the living room, a multi-disc CD and DVD player, several bottles of wine in storage, etc. etc. I don’t want to say he’s unChristian, but seeing him own these items seemed very unFranciscan.

Also, while I was there, one woman’s daughter’s found a black spider and was scared of it. I looked at one of the Franciscans and asked him what to do, and he said, “I’d kill it.” :eek: A Franciscan advocating killing a harmless spider. I was shocked, so I picked the spider up and placed him outside.

I don’t want to pass judgment on these men or women, some who dressed rather fancy, in my opinion, while I dressed in a sweater and jeans, but I just sense something very unFranciscan about them. And I’m disappointed. I’m not going to say that I am Francis reincarnate because I have my vices, as well, but I’m not even in the orientation phase yet, much less an actual, full-fledged SFO like these folks.
 
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I GET WHAT you’re saying but your concern seems to be mis-placed . I mean, most CD-players are multi-disc ones; DVD players are cheap; and bottles of wine- so what??? I am myself fairly poor; I don’t own any of this stuff myself; I have a 15 yr old crummy boombox. If you really want to be outraged, you could check out some religious (i.e., Priests) who are Franciscans- there are many Franciscan Orders; and some of them have abandoned the Spirit of St. francis…i know this because my sister works with franciscans in Phila, PA serving the homeless and poor in a large soup-kitchen-outreach program. And she lives very simply: e.g., in this past summer we hit over 100 degrees F many times; yet they eschew air conditioning in their inn; and in the row-houses that the volunteers live in… So, she’s cooking for 400 homeless people in a kitchen which exceeds 100 degrees… and there’s many other ways these lay people and Franciscan priests and brothers practice true poverty; you could say that Poverty defines their lifestyle; howevre, they do make use of modern electronic devices; such as a wonderful sound system in their tiny chapel; and modest Tv sets in their domiciles…
anyhow get a grip:
Iand one more thing : this is one reason why Fr. Benedict Groeschel started his own order of St Francis in New York.

If you want to help the poor, just do it; and stop judging other people.
 
Thanks for the angles, JR and Maurader. I will keep this all in mind throughout formation.

I finished a lovely biography on St. Francis last year, just after the hurricane set us back to true simplicity: no power or hot water for nearly two weeks. (I was always complaining about not having more time to read, Lord, but a hurricane! :eek: ) Anyways,…after JR mentioned linking the generic prescriptions of the rule to the life of St. Francis to achieve clarification, I remembered something about the Breviary. Wasn’t it one of the few books a friar was allowed to own? Hmmm. So how should we pray? Now it’s clear.

God’s peace,

A
 
It is also extremely important to remember that it has been historians who have painted a somewhat distorted picture of our holy father Francis as being all about poverty.

Nothing could be further from the truth. If one reads the right of profession as he wrote it, it places obedience first, poverty second and chastity third.

If we read his personal writings, poverty is always an expression of an inner conversion. It is not poverty for the sake of being poor. It is detachment for the sake of being open to Christ’s work. Case in point, during his life many scholars joined the order. Among them was St. Anthony of Padua. Anthony wanted to send the brothers to the University of Padua and Paris to get doctoral degrees in theology. This cost money. Francis wrote a letter to Anthony in which he authorized this expense and this level of higher education as long as it did not extinguish the spirit of prayer. Observe that Francis’ concern was with the friar’s prayer life, not the cost or status of a Doctorate in Theology.

Bonaventure himself was educated in Paris and taught there for many years. He was one of the most humble and holy men in the history of our Franciscan family.

Someone mentioned Fr. Benedict Groeschel. Let us remember that Father Benedict has not founded a new order. The Franciscans of the Reform are a branch of the Capuchins, founded by St. Francis. They were founded in response to the need for friars who were not attached to parishes, but who serve in the inner city, especially on the streets. Their Constitution continues to be the same as the Capuchins and they are not an independent order. They are a diocesan society in the Archdiocese of NY. But they were not founded because they found something lacking in the Capuchin Friars Minor, but because they found a need in the local Church that the Capuchins could not address, because of their commitments to parishes, something that the Capuchins are trying to correct by pulling out of many parishes. But this will take time and Fr. Benedict knew it. The poverty on the streets of NY is so great that the friars could not wait for the local bishops to drum up diocesan vocations to cover the parishes that the Capuchins want to vacate. This was the fastest way to respond to the needs of the poor. They do a wonderful job.

Nontheless, every CFR friar must have at least a Master’s degree in theology and another Master’s degree in a secular discipline. Degrees cost money. Fr. Benedict has a MA in theology and a PhD in psychology.

We have to be careful how we define poverty and how we apply detachment. The Lord and St. Francis do not want us to detach from what will help men save souls and improve the quality of life in society. True detachment is from our aspirations that lead away from God and our aspirations for the things that we want, rather than the things that we need. In a consumer society as we have today, any one who lives by this rule, detachment from wants and responsible use of necessary resources, is a shining light in the night.

By the way, yes the Franciscans were allowed to have a breviary to pray, one missal per house for mass, if there was a priest in the house. Not all Franciscan houses have priests. A copy of the scriptures for the community and theology books that were shared by the community. They were also allowed to have proper clothing for their work and ministry. In some cases it was a habit, but not always. Franciscans are the only OLD order where the habit has always been optional. That’s why there are so many variations of the Franciscan habit. There was never an official habit. Francis’ description of the habit was a tunic with a hood, trousers, and a cord. Even that, was when it was possible and practical.

In his own strange and romantic way, Francis was a very practical man and very humble. He has the good sense to listen to the good advice of others, such as Clare, Br. Giles, Br. Leo, Pope Honorious and Cardinal Hugolino who would later become Pope Gregory and canonize Francis.

Fraternally,

JR 🙂
 
It is also extremely important to remember that it has been historians who have painted a somewhat distorted picture of our holy father Francis as being all about poverty.
Hi Sir:

Could it then be possible that the distorted picture of poverty affected the lifestyle of Franciscans of the past? I read a lot about Franciscan saints and their practice of poverty was extreme. Is it possible that the stories of Franciscans of past were ‘tweaked’ to conform with the distorted picture of Franciscan poverty?

Thanks.

albertziggy:rolleyes:
 
Hi Sir:

Could it then be possible that the distorted picture of poverty affected the lifestyle of Franciscans of the past? I read a lot about Franciscan saints and their practice of poverty was extreme. Is it possible that the stories of Franciscans of past were ‘tweaked’ to conform with the distorted picture of Franciscan poverty?
St. Francis’ poverty was extreme, but it wasn’t extreme just for the sake of being poor. St. Francis usually was harder on himself then he allowed others in his order to be. I think it was Little Flowers that tells the story of when the Order was still young St. Francis and his followers were in a place and his brothers were exteremely hungry and he could tell it was eating into the prayer life. He immediately got all of them to eat a big meal. The idea being that hunger and poverty just for the sake of being hungry or poor isn’t the way. Poverty that aids in the detachment to wordly goods is good, poverty that causes you not even to be able to pray isn’t good.

St. Franics also corrected others that followed the life of Saints without thinking about the why and the how of what they were doing. Imitation just for the sake of imitation thinking it will make them Holy was sinful in the eyes of St. Francis.

As JR has said, becoming a Franciscan means more then just following a Rule and patterning yourself after an image of St. Francis. It means studying St. Francis and finding out the reasons he did what he did. It isn’t to follow the external manifestations of what he did but the internal manifiestations that can be expressed as obedience to the Church and continual conversion.

There have been many distortions of St. Francis throughout the years by people with various agendas, both good and bad. It is only through reading many things about Francis can you get to the real Francis.
 
Could it then be possible that the distorted picture of poverty affected the lifestyle of Franciscans of the past? I read a lot about Franciscan saints and their practice of poverty was extreme. Is it possible that the stories of Franciscans of past were ‘tweaked’ to conform with the distorted picture of Franciscan poverty?
St. Francis of Assisi said he followed “Our Lady Poverty.” They asked him if he was thinking of marrying, he said, “yes, a fairer bride than any of you have ever seen,” meaning his “lady poverty.” en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_of_Assisi I can’t think of another order that I associate with material poverty more than the Franciscans. St. Francis of Assisi’s unique charism may have specifically been called by Christ and Mary to incarnate the Gospel in that particular way for that era and place. In my imperfect knowledge, ** it was a time when the rich occupied the prime place in the Church and poor were looked down upon. At mass, the rich sat at nice seats and the poor stood at the back.**

So, take a country in Latin America, the Middle East, Asia, or Africa. A devout Catholic may embrace the charism of poverty to combat the immense inequality between the rich and the poor, the oppression of the poor, the unrestricted violence and exploitation against the poor, and the fact that Christianity is of Western heritage - so the wealthy/upper-class are more likely to be the face of Christianity in those countries. When in reality, Christ was poor.

On the Dolors of Mary by St. Alphonsus de Liguori, one of the 33 Doctors of the Catholic Church, explains the sufferings of Our Lady http://writer.zoho.com/public/immaculate/Seven-dolors shows also how poor Christ was in childhood - see the Presentation, or the flight into Egypt, or his birth and his entire life. The Presentation is noted in Luke 2:22-29 * “Mary and Joseph were faithful Jews and observed their religious customs. An important custom was for the couple to take their first-born son to the Temple. The baby was taken to the Temple forty days after his birth and was dedicated to God. In addition, if the parents were wealthy, they were to bring a lamb and a young pigeon or a turtle dove to be offered as a sacrifice at the Temple. The custom provided that if the parents were poor, they were to offer two pigeons or two turtle doves for the sacrifice.”* goarch.org/special/listen_learn_share/presentation/index_html Being poor, Mary and Joseph offered two turtle doves.

So it is inaccurate to look down on the poor for their poverty. While Christ loves the rich in addition to the poor, God exalted poverty by making his only begotten Son poor. :confused: 🤷 :eek:

Yet, take a country like the United States or Western Europe and poverty is less severe for all except perhaps those who live in the inner cities, the southern United States, the disabled, the elderly, the sex workers, the homeless, the Native Americans on reservations, and the immigrants. (Please forgive me and correct me if I am missing any groups. 😦 ) In this case, perhaps the connection between spiritual poverty and riches may not be as strong. In this case, a Franciscan might want to minister to the spiritually poor to Christ-like incarnate the Gospel in today’s society.

See this article: Spiritual poverty is worse than material poverty, Pope’s message says catholicnewsagency.com/new.php?n=8632

Spiritual Poverty of the West vs. Material Poverty of the East lifesitenews.com/ldn/2006/jun/06063001.html commentary on one of Mother Teresa’s Missionaries of Charity who lives in Tijuana, Mexico.

From Archbishop Oscar Romero The Violence of Love plough.com/ebooks/violenceoflove.html

Some want to keep a gospel so disembodied
that it doesn’t get involved at all
in the world it must save.
Christ is now in history.
Christ is in the womb of the people.
Christ is now bringing about
the new heavens and the new earth.
December 3, 1978

Let’s not meditate on a word that is disincarnated from reality.
It’s very easy to preach a gospel that’s the same here in El Salvador as it would be in Guatamela, or in Africa.
Of course, it’s the same gospel, just as it’s the same sun that brightenes the whole world. But just as the sunlight turns into flowers or fruits, according to the needs of the nature that receives it, so God’s word has to be incarnated in reality.
And that is what is difficult about the church’s preaching. Preaching the gospel without getting involved with reality doesn’t bring on any problems, and it’s very easy to fulfill the preacher’s mission that way.
But to cast the gospel’s universal light on our own Salvadoran miseries - and also on our Salvadoran joys and successes - that’s what is most beautiful about God’s word. That way we know Christ is talking to us, to the community of our archdiocese gathered here to meditate on his divine word.
*June 4, 1978 *

The person who feels the emptiness of hunger for God
is the opposite of the self-sufficient person.
In this sense, rich means the proud,
rich means even the poor who have no property
but who think they need nothing, not even God.
This is the wealth that is abominable in God’s eyes,
what the humble but forceful Virgin speaks of:
“He sent away empty-handed the rich”
those who think they have everything -
“and filled with good things the hungry” -
those who have need of God.
December 3, 1978

Mother Teresa, “Any country that accepts abortion is the poorest of the poor.” iol.ie/~hlii/theresa.html
 
St. Francis’ poverty was extreme, but it wasn’t extreme just for the sake of being poor.
This is perfectly correct. It is also important to understand that Francis’ poverty was a means to identify himself with the humanity of Christ. Therefore, we have to look at both, the means and the end. In essence, St. Francis tells us, if you want to be like the incarnate Christ, then here is a way to do it. Give up your possessions and follow him.
St. Francis usually was harder on himself then he allowed others in his order to be.
Here again, you have provided an excellent example of the value of poverty. Poverty is a means to practice charity. Unless you have experienced need, it is very difficult to identify with those in need.
The idea being that hunger and poverty just for the sake of being hungry or poor isn’t the way. Poverty that aids in the detachment to wordly goods is good, poverty that causes you not even to be able to pray isn’t good.
What you’re saying is very accurate. Poverty is the mother of virtues. This is how Francis comes to call her “mother.” Many think it was because of his devotion to the Blessed Mother. It was not. Francis had a devotion to the Blessed Mother and to Christ. But his devotion to their poverty was because he saw how charity flourished in their detachment from materials things.
St. Franics also corrected others that followed the life of Saints without thinking about the why and the how of what they were doing. Imitation just for the sake of imitation thinking it will make them Holy was sinful in the eyes of St. Francis.
You’re right again. This is why Francis, in his Testament says, "No one told me how to live, but the Lord Jesus Christ revealed it to me. The premise of the Franciscans is that the Rule and life of Francis was revealed to him by God. Therefore, we live according to a Tradition that we believe was revealed by the Lord to Francis. He was very respectful and careful of imitating them in their spirituality and mysticism.

quote]As JR has said, becoming a Franciscan means more then just following a Rule and patterning yourself after an image of St. Francis. It means studying St. Francis and finding out the reasons he did what he did. It isn’t to follow the external manifestations of what he did but the internal manifestations that can be expressed as obedience to the Church and continual conversion. It is only through reading many things about Francis can you get to the real Francis.

There are not only distortions in the biographies of Francis, but many points left have been omitted, which the Franciscans know through the oral tradition within the order and through the writings of letters and hymns that Francis wrote himself. The problem with the stories of the early Franciscans is that many were not written right away. They were written many years later. Then there were others that were written while the Church was still morning the death of Francis. As a result, many of the early Franciscans over compensated with a form of asceticism that was not always in compliance with the Gospel.

That’s why Bonaventure ordered the early writings burned. He felt that they were purely works of the emotions and not of historical logic. Yet, at the end of his life, he concedes that Francis was the saint of saints, meaning that anyone who is looking for sainthood should look no further than Francis. He wants to eliminate the emotional euphoria and replace it with good history. He rewrites an official biography of Francis and with pure historical reasoning. In the end, Bonaventure concedes the point, that Francis is very difficult to write about, because he was deeper than we give him credit for

At one time it was even believed that Francis spent hours praying the rosary. Nothing could be further from the truth. There was no rosary during Francis’ time. He never heard of it. The rosary was introduced to the faithful by the Dominican friars. Francis did have a strong devotion to Mary and to Mary’s intercession and to her Queenship, bot not to the rosary. It was not in popular use during his life. Many years later, the friars and the nuns began to wear a side rosary on their habits. Francis was long dead. When Vatican II called religious to return to their charism, the Franciscan family made the wearing of the rosary optional, but insisted in keeping the devotion to the Immaculate Conception. She is the patroness of the Franciscan Family.

This is how things get distorted. When you read the rule or the Constitutions of our family, you must read them with a biography of Francis in hand. When they refer to Mary, read what Francis had to say about Our Lady. When they refer to poverty, read that Francis called Poverty a lady. She was his bride. In a sense, Lady Poverty was a sexual symbol in a very spiritual and ascetic world. God made Adam and Eve. Men are incomplete without women. Lady poverty completes the life of the celibate Franciscan. She is not only a means to find Christ, she is also a spouse.

That is why the married Franciscan does not stress poverty as much as Francis’ other virtues. The married Franciscan has his or her spouse. Poverty is a virtue, not a Lady to whom one is maritally attached.

The one point that has not been mentioned yet, is Francis’ profound love and trust in the Church. He never complained or wrote about the errors that he found in the Church’s leaders, clergy and laity. He simply remained faithful to the Church and obeyed her. He also understood that he and his spiritual family were called to build up the Church, not tear her down by complaining and criticizing.

Francis never argued theological points with anyone and did not want his sons and daughters to do so either.

Fraternally,

JR 🙂
 
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