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There are not only distortions in the biographies of Francis…
Speaking of biographies about St. Francis, I’m interested in your opinion about Nikos Kazantzakis’ novel based on his life.

I understand that it’s a novel, not a biography, but I just loved the way that St. Francis was portrayed, yet I wonder how accurate a characterization of St. Francis it was.

Thanks.

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Speaking of biographies about St. Francis, I’m interested in your opinion about Nikos Kazantzakis’ novel based on his life.

I understand that it’s a novel, not a biography, but I just loved the way that St. Francis was portrayed, yet I wonder how accurate a characterization of St. Francis it was.

Thanks.
You’ve brought back many memories. I read it in 1980. It was awesome. Kazantzakis does a wonderful job at capturing Francis’ inner spirit. If I were to classify it, I woud place it under historical fiction. It is definitely a novel. But the author did his homework about the life and times of Francis of Assisi.

One of the areas in Francis’ life that he captures very well is Francis’ love for the brothers. This is often bypassed or barely mentioned in other writings. Kazantzakis shows you Francis interacting with the brothers and his special friendship with some of them. This is very powerful.

The three Franciscan Orders are very interested in this dimension of Francis’ life, because it sheds a great deal of light on what the order should be.

The topic of brotherhood was discussed at great length during the General Chapters of 1979, 1985, 1991, 1997, and 2003. It will also be discussed again this year. Several important events have occurred as the Franciscan family has rediscovered the Francis’ meaning of brotherhood.
  1. He never meant for the brothers and sisters to be so called because they belonged to the same family. He meant that they were of one spirit, one mind, one body, and they were to live for each other. If every ministry of the entire Franciscan family has to be sacrificed so that the brothers and sisters can take care of each other, so be it.
  2. He has a sense that the brothers and sisters were given to him by the Holy Spirit. Therefore, they were more important to him than Angelo his biological brother. He wrote that all Franciscans must treat their Franciscans must treat their brothers and sisters in higher esteem than their biological family.
  3. His intention was found a lay order, not a clerical order. As a result, the order is focussing less on ordaining men to the priesthood and reviewing its policies regarding parishes. They are taking on less parishes and also giving some up to the bishops and taking on more ministries that do not require ordination. This way clerics and lay brothers can serve as equals.
  4. The Secular Franciscan Order was released from the governance and attachment to the Friars. They became an institute of Pontifical Right in 1978. They have their own government, their own Minister General etc. They are considered equals to the friars and to the nuns.
  5. The nuns are not subordinate to the friars. Each monastery is autonomous. They don’t have a Superior General, because all of the nuns are equal. Their only Superior is the local superior. They too are considered equals to the friars and the Secular Franciscans.
  6. The friars and the Secular Franciscans are to hep the diocesan clergy, without losing their identity. They are to look at the diocesan clergy as brothers whom they help.
These are just some of the things that were very well captured in the novel.

Another was the strength of Francis devotion to the Church. There is a strong bond between Francis, the bishop and Cardinal Hugolino. Hugolino later became pope and canonized Francis.

There is also a very intimate relationship with Clare, which was true. Though, her dependence on his was far less. After his death, she became much more independent, even of the friars.

I like the book because it captures his spirit and shows why some changes have taken place in the order, not because they are real changes, but they are recovering the roots.

Fraternally,

JR 🙂
 
Hi to all:

The posts have been very, very informative and INSPIRING:D . Wow! Now I realized that there are a lot of things we would miss if we would just rely on ‘Brother Sun Sister Moon’!😃 😃 (joke)

I will keep myself glued to this post. Wow! Saint Francis and the Franciscans are… awesome!!!

👍 👍 👍

albertziggy
 
  1. He never meant for the brothers and sisters to be so called because they belonged to the same family. He meant that they were of one spirit, one mind, one body, and they were to live for each other. If every ministry of the entire Franciscan family has to be sacrificed so that the brothers and sisters can take care of each other, so be it.
  2. He has a sense that the brothers and sisters were given to him by the Holy Spirit. Therefore, they were more important to him than Angelo his biological brother. He wrote that all Franciscans must treat their Franciscans must treat their brothers and sisters in higher esteem than their biological family.
Very interesting! Maybe it might be interesting to know what led St. Francis of Assisi to hold this brotherhood in such high esteem above every other part of the Franciscan life, even poverty. :confused: 🙂
 
At one time it was even believed that Francis spent hours praying the rosary. Nothing could be further from the truth. There was no rosary during Francis’ time. He never heard of it. The rosary was introduced to the faithful by the Dominican friars. Francis did have a strong devotion to Mary and to Mary’s intercession and to her Queenship, bot not to the rosary. It was not in popular use during his life. Many years later, the friars and the nuns began to wear a side rosary on their habits. Francis was long dead. When Vatican II called religious to return to their charism, the Franciscan family made the wearing of the rosary optional, but insisted in keeping the devotion to the Immaculate Conception. She is the patroness of the Franciscan Family.

This is how things get distorted. When you read the rule or the Constitutions of our family, you must read them with a biography of Francis in hand. When they refer to Mary, read what Francis had to say about Our Lady. When they refer to poverty, read that Francis called Poverty a lady. She was his bride. In a sense, Lady Poverty was a sexual symbol in a very spiritual and ascetic world. God made Adam and Eve. Men are incomplete without women. Lady poverty completes the life of the celibate Franciscan. She is not only a means to find Christ, she is also a spouse.
Very interesting - particularly this interpretation of Poverty as a Spouse!

More information on the connection between St. Francis of Assisi and St. Dominic.
During this time Dominic formed friendships with Cardinal Ugolino and Francis of Assisi. The story goes that in a dream Dominic saw the sinful world threatened by the divine anger but saved by the intercession of the Virgin, who pointed out to her Son two figures, one of whom Dominic recognized as himself, while the other was a stranger. The next day in church he saw a poorly dressed fellow whom he recognized at once as the man in his dream. It was Francis of Assisi. He went up to him and embraced him, exclaiming, “You are my companion and must walk with me. For if we hold together no earthly power can withstand us.” This meeting of the founders of the two great orders of friars, whose special mission was to go out into the world to save it, is still commemorated twice a year, when on their respective feast days the brothers of both orders sing Mass together, and afterwards sit at the same table. Dominic’s character was in marked contrast to that of Francis, but they stood united on the common ground of faith and charity.
ewtn.com/library/MARY/DOMINIC.HTM
 
Very interesting! Maybe it might be interesting to know what led St. Francis of Assisi to hold this brotherhood in such high esteem above every other part of the Franciscan life, even poverty. :confused: 🙂
Francis’ approach to the Gospel was rooted in the Trinity. His understanding was that the Lord gave him the brothers and sisters as a sign of his Divine nature.

Francis had a vision in which Christ showed him the future. In that dream Francis is sitting at Christ’s side with millions of brothers and sisters walking toward Christ’s throne. As they approached the throne, they walked hand in hand, as a child walks with his mother. In the vision Christ told Francis that like Abraham, he would be the father of many sons and daughters. He also promised Francis that many evils and turmoils would assault the order, but it would survive within the Church until his second coming. This promise is taken very literally by the entire Franciscan family.

The Franciscan family will never disappear as long as the Church remains standing. It is the mission of this family to hold up the Church. Thus the words of the crucifix at San Damiano clear, “Go and rebuild my Church.” and Pope Innocent’s dream makes sense. In a dream, the pope saw the Church about to collapse. He saw Francis walk up to the Lateran and grow into a giant who holds up the Lateran and supports it. At the time, St. John Lateran was the see of Peter, before the Vatican was built.

The brotherhood itself is Christ’s gift to the Church. Its obedience, poverty and ministry are the means of salvation for the members of the order. But the brotherhood is to witness to the world the relationship within the Trinity.

Therefore, to Francis and his followers, the most special part of their vocation is their relationship with each other. To this day, the Friars, the nuns, and the Secular Franciscans make it a point to recreate together, pray together, go on retreat and vacations together, stay in constant contact when they are away, and put all things aside when the community calls.

For example, each year the friars must go on retreat together. They close all of their parishes and other ministries for a week to spend time together. Every day, the friars and nuns must pray the Office, eat, and play together. The Secular Franciscans hold these gatherings several times a month.

Every three years, there is a general chapter in which representatives of the friars, the Poor Clares and the Secular Franciscans from among the world gather in one place for a week of reflection and discussion about the community life. No other topics are allowed at this chapter, except those that are directly about the Franciscan family.

Every member of the Franciscan family must be willing to give up any ministry for the good of the family. There is a difference between the Secular Franciscans and the Regular Franciscans.

The friars and nuns never leave their community to care or serve their biological families. They visit their biological relatives when it is possible and does not interfere with their family obligations within the order.

The Secular Franciscans include their biological families in their daily activities and do care for them. They often care for the relatives of the friars and nuns who have no one to care for them.

This is one of the qualities that makes brotherhood different and so intense for the Franciscan.

All of this stems from Francis’ faith that we are bonded to each other by grace. The bonds of grace far surpass the bonds of biology.

Fraternally,

JR 🙂
 
Therefore, to Francis and his followers, the most special part of their vocation is their relationship with each other. This is one of the qualities that makes brotherhood different and so intense for the Franciscan.

All of this stems from Francis’ faith that we are bonded to each other by grace. The bonds of grace far surpass the bonds of biology.

Fraternally,

JR 🙂
Hi Sir:

Many thanks for your information on Franciscan brotherhood. I wish to read more about this, as it makes the Franciscan family unique, compared to other spiritual families. Would you know of any material available on the net?

Thanks!
albertziggy:rolleyes:
 
All of this stems from Francis’ faith that we are bonded to each other by grace. The bonds of grace far surpass the bonds of biology.

Fraternally,

JR 🙂
Thank you JReducation for that beautiful summary of Franciscan brotherhood! 🙂 Some questions on this brotherhood - what happens when it is threatened by differences of social class, economic status, race, or sexual identity… is it even possible for this brotherhood to continue existing? If so, how? :eek: :confused:
 
Some questions on this brotherhood - what happens when it is threatened by differences of social class, economic status, race, or sexual identity… is it even possible for this brotherhood to continue existing?
These are wonderful questions. I’ll try to answer each one individually. The responses apply to all three Franciscan Orders: Friars, Nuns and Secular Franciscans as we share in the same brotherhood.
  1. Differences of social class, economic status and race: These differences disappear the day a young man or woman enters the Franciscan Order. Among the friars and the nuns the individual must sign a legal document whereby he gives up his property to any person or charity of his or her choosing, except to the Church or the Order. The person also writes a last will and testament in which anything that he or she should acquire or inherit after joining the order automatically transfers to a person or charity of his choice that is neither the Church nor the Order. Therefore, the individual is totally poor of all material things. Nor can he or she receive gifts of any kind from anyone.
All gifts are to be surrendered to the superior of the house who decides how to use them. The superior may allow the friar or the nun to keep a simple gift such as a book or pen, but not an expensive one.

Among the Secular Franciscans, they are allowed to keep whatever they own or make from their salary to support their families, this includes dependent children, dependent spouses, dependent parents. They may only use what they need for their health and their work. Even among the Secular Franciscans, the economic scales are very level.

There are no social scales in the Franciscan family. Everyone is a brother or sister, as I have explained before. Some Franciscans are priests. However, the Franciscan Family considers the priesthood to be a vocation within a vocation. Therefore, the highest duty of any Franciscan is to be a brother, first and a priest second. The reason for this distinction is because Franciscanism is a way of living. Priesthood is a way of serving. Life always embraces service. Friars and Secular Franciscans who are priests, are still called Brother, not Father. They still do the same things that every brother and sister does: laundry, floors, cooking, cleaning, teaching, nursing, social work, preaching, praying and so forth.

Even superiors have to give an account to the community for their actions. There is a gathering called a chapter in which the superior gives an account of his work on behalf of the community to the community. The community votes to approve his actions and anything that he or she should do. In the constitutions, the community writes the role, duties and obligations of superiors. This way, superiors are not omnipotent. They can only perform those functions that are allowed to them by the community. That also eliminates social classes within the three orders.

Finally, the three orders are equal to each other. The Friars, Nuns and Secular Franciscans are equally religious orders with equal religious profession and each General Superior has a vote in the Franciscan Council of Ministers General. Again, social classes are eliminated.
  1. Sexual orientation:
The Franciscan family follows the teachings of the Church on sexual orientation. Therefore, a person’s sexual orientation is a non-issue if the person is celibate and fulfills his or her vow of consecrated chastity. I realize that the Holy Father gave a directive that persons with homosexual orientation were not allowed to be admitted to the a seminary without the careful consideration by the local bishop.

However, this decree does not apply to religious orders or religious congregations. It was not meant for them. Religious orders and religious congregations do not depend on the local bishop to select their candidates for the priesthood. This is done by the religious superior. Bishops have no authority inside of religious communities. They only have authority in ministries that religious communities do for the diocese and in institutions that religious communities run for the diocese.

Formation does not come under the authority of the bishops or the Roman Curia. Religious Orders of Pontifical Right (Franciscans, Benedictines, Carmelites, Jesuits, Dominicans, Augustinians, Trappists, Cistercians, Trinitarians, Redemptorists, Passionists and others) respond only to their superior and the superior to the Pope.

When the Pope gives them an order regarding formation, then it is implemented. Any other decrees regarding formation is usually meant for the secular priests and seminarians, unless the Holy Father specifically says, “regulars” too. Regular is a member of a religious community.

On this very delicate issue, it is up to the major superior and his council to make a judgment call as to whether the person’s sexual history (gay or straight) qualify or disqualify him or her from Franciscan life. Many people (gay and straight) are disqualified, because they have led very active sexual lives. There is always the concern that one can slip back into that pattern.

People who have observed a chaste lifestyle are less likely to slip into promiscuity, gay or straight. The key question is a person’s history. For that reason a letter from the person’s pastor and spiritual director is needed. Also, the Order reserves the right to require psychological testing to assess a person’s personality and stability.

In September 2009 the order will celebrate its 800th birthday. I guess all one million of us will be around for a while.

Yes, there are one million Franciscans around the world. I believe we are the largest religious family in the Church. I could be wrong. The Dominicans are also very large. They too are celebrating 800 years.

I hope this helps.

Fraternally,

JR 🙂
 
Thanks to all the Franciscan posters. I learned a lot about the order. It was very informative. Happy 800th Birthday!
 
September 2009… out of curiosity, may I ask what day in September? 🙂

Thank you for the post above! I have learned a lot. 😛 I do want to extend on the question that I asked before though. Those are guidelines for Franciscan life and it is excellent to know the Franciscan vision, yet practical reality often makes it very hard to live up to a good vision. In practice, when tensions come up because of these issues - particularly race or sexual identity or gender or personal crises or even people who are overly pushy/forward/interested in converting/rebuking/aiding others - how do Franciscans address it with brotherhood? Is this a time of practicing infinite patience, meek confrontation, a time to sit back and let Christ work out any troubles and just keep a hands-off agenda until one feels comfortable instead of scared/intimidated/uncomfortable/awkward/angry? These touchy subjects are be careful areas and people often join Franciscan communities and leave them, hide their thoughts, attack other people without thoroughly researched justification, call for sympathy in cases that it is hard to sympathize with and it makes one scared/afraid of brotherhood or sisterhood with people who seem too “different.” Not saying that I don’t cause others stress of course or that I am not the most different one but I am highly interested in your opinion. 🙂

Thank you for your kindness in reading so many of my posts! :eek:
Prayer of St. Francis of Assisi before the Blessed Sacrament
We adore You, O Lord Jesus Christ, in this Church and all the Churches of the world,
and we bless You, because, by Your holy Cross You have redeemed the world.
Saint Francis’ Prayer Before the Crucifix
Most High, glorious God,
enlighten the darkness of my heart and give me
true faith, certain hope, and perfect charity,
sense and knowledge, Lord, that I may carry out
Your holy and true command. Amen.
Saint Francis’ Greetings to the Blessed Virgin
Hail, Lady and Queen,
holy Mary, Mother of God,
Virgin who became the Church,
chosen by the Father in heaven,
consecrated by his beloved Son
and his Spirit, the Comforter:
in you was and remains,
the whole fullness of grace
and everything that is good.
Hail, his palace,
hail, his tabernacle,
hail, his dwelling,
hail, his robe,
hail, his handmaid,
hail, his mother!
O holy Mother,
sweet and fair to see,
for us beseech the King,
your dearest Son,
our Lord Jesus Christ,
to death for us delivered:
that in his pitying clemency,
and by virtue of his most holy incarnation
and bitter death,
he may pardon our sins.
Holy Virgin Mary,
among all the women of the world,
there is none like you.
You are the daughter and handmaid of the most high King,
Father of heaven.
You are the mother of our most holy Lord Jesus Christ.
You are the bride of the Holy Spirit.
Pray for us, with St. Michael the archangel,
and all the powers of heaven
and all the saints,
to your most holy and beloved Son,
our Lord and Master, Amen.
Saint Francis’ Prayer Praising Mary the Mother of God
Hail, O Lady, Holy Queen,
Mary, holy Mother of God:
you are the Virgin made Church
chosen by the most Holy Father in heaven
whom He consecrated with His most holy beloved Son
and with the Holy Spirit the Paraclete,
in whom there was and is all fullness of grace and every good.
Hail His Palace!
Hail His Tabernacle!
Hail His Dwelling!
Hail His Robe!
Hail His Servant!
Hail His Mother!
And hail all you holy virtues
Which are poured into the hearts of the faithful
throught the grace and enlightenment of the Holy Spirit,
that from being unbelievers,
you may make them faithful to God. Amen.
shrinesf.org/prayers.htm#gbv
 
September 2009… out of curiosity, may I ask what day in September? 🙂
We actually do not know the exact date. We know that it was near Francis’ birthday, which is in September. There are two problems. First, the calendar has changed several times since then and days have been added and deleted from it. Second, Pope Innocent gave the rule verbal approval, but did not sign it. Therefore, there is not date on it. We only have the writings of the early Franciscans who tell us of the event, such as Thomas of Celano and Bonaventure.
Thank you for the post above! I have learned a lot. 😛 I do want to extend on the question that I asked before though. Those are guidelines for Franciscan life and it is excellent to know the Franciscan vision, yet practical reality often makes it very hard to live up to a good vision. In practice, when tensions come up because of these issues - particularly race or sexual identity or gender or personal crises or even people who are overly pushy/forward/interested in converting/rebuking/aiding others - how do Franciscans address it with brotherhood?
The rule is very specific. When conflicts arise it is up to the local minister (superior) to resolve them. Therefore, the answer would be that they are resolved through obedience. The minister tells you what you must do or not do. The minister tells you what ideas you may express and which ones you must keep to yourself. Finally, when all else fails, the minister can impose a penalty on you. If that fails, you are then referred to the next level of authority. That is the regional minister who can transfer you, discipline you, counsel you, or do whatever he or she wants. In the end, you have to obey.
Is this a time of practicing infinite patience, meek confrontation, a time to sit back and let Christ work out any troubles and just keep a hands-off agenda until one feels comfortable instead of scared/intimidated/uncomfortable/awkward/angry?
One can choose between any of these courses of action, depending on what you feel is most appropriate. What you may never do is be aggressive. To be honest, this hardly happens in communities. Most people are civil. When they disagree, they try to keep some distance between them if the community is a large one. When the community is small, usually the minister is asked to intervene and sometimes even a transfer may occur, if there is no reason for disciplinary action, such as is the case where there is simply a difference of opinions or perspectives between two people.
These touchy subjects are be careful areas and people often join Franciscan communities and leave them, hide their thoughts, attack other people without thoroughly researched justification, call for sympathy in cases that it is hard to sympathize with and it makes one scared/afraid of brotherhood or sisterhood with people who seem too “different.”
If I’m understanding you correctly, I sincerely hope that people do not join any religious family with such hangups or anger. You will not find refuge from your hangups and neuroses in a religious family. What can happen is that they will become more aggravated, because you must share your life with others and be very transparent.
Thank you for your kindness in reading so many of my posts! :eek:
You’re very welcome.

Fraternally in St. Francis,

JR 🙂
 
This is one of the qualities that makes brotherhood different and so intense for the Franciscan.

Fraternally,

JR 🙂
Hi Brother JR and Marauder:

I have been re–reading your past posts here in and in other forums relating to Saint Francis and the Franciscan Family and I could not help but be inspired by your writings. They give me such joy to be a part of this awesome family. Your posts are true sources of inspiration – great formation materials!

Keep up the good work! May God bless you always!

In Francis,

albertziggy:rolleyes:
 
If I’m understanding you correctly, I sincerely hope that people do not join any religious family with such hangups or anger. You will not find refuge from your hangups and neuroses in a religious family. What can happen is that they will become more aggravated, because you must share your life with others and be very transparent.
Please could you elaborate on **you must share your life with others and be very transparent. ** What degree of transparency is called for and why? What if you have deep secrets such as a sexual orientation secret (you have pedophilic or incestuous desires though you do not act on them or perhaps you have in the past and have stopped) or a mental illness secret (some sort of psychosis like paranoid schizophrenia)? In what detail do you share? How do you know who it is appropriate to share to? Do you answer every question asked of you by anyone? How do you know the appropriate time and hour and method in which to share and be transparent? Why is transparency so important in the first place? - to build trust? 🤷 :confused:

Didn’t Esther keep some secrets in her life until the most appropriate moment? So how to discern when to tell and when not to tell? 🤷 :confused:

More of St. Bonaventure on Mary doctorsofthecatholicchurch.com/BO.html
He explained Mary along a Franciscan theme of poverty and giving to the poor. He cited an unknown Franciscan who claims that Mary refused to accept the gifts given to Jesus by the Magi. She distributed them to the poor.
Bonaventure writes that Mary is fittingly compared to the Aurora. All astronomers, or those who views the stars at night, know that these are the most luminous arches of lights in the highest sky (Arctic regions). It is a phenomenon like no others. Mary is that incomparable light that God has created for Himself and us to guide and enlighten. He describes Mary as the Mirror of God through which we see Jesus. He wrote a mangificent 69 pages treatise on Mary. In one chapter, he writes about this “lovely light” of God and how it is compared with the Aurora. One shines in the highest heavens and the other Aurora, shines in the earthly heavens. There are other chaptes listed about Mary by Bonaventure who quotes from many other doctors:
**More information: ** questia.com/PM.qst?action=openPageViewer&docId=20971270

Might St. Francis of Assisi have been extremely devoted to the Most Holy Rosary if it had been around when he was alive?
 
Hi Brother JR and Marauder:

In Francis,

albertziggy:rolleyes:
Thank you for the thanks. I only hope that some of the things I say on here can help others in their discernment. I know I have had many issues and trials during my formation period. I humbily hope that I can discern God’s will in my spiritual path.

God Bless,
Jim
 
Hello All,

I know this a strange request given the topic of this thread but I feel the calling to join a Secular Franciscan order or something along those lines to deepen my spirit with Jesus our Lord. Unfortunatley, I hvae not been able to find (neither has my parish priest) any local orders. Does anyone know of an order in or near Rapid City, South Dakota? Thank you for your time.

Blessings
 
**1. The Secular Franciscan Order is a real religious order. **

Like every religious family that is very large there are going to be differences, strengths and weaknesses. What unites a religious community is the sense of belonging of each member. Whether it’s Dominican, Franciscan, Carmelite or other. We know that we have arrived when we feel that sense of belonging. When we feel that we are living the religious life in the secular world, which is what a secular religious does. If we are tentative or anxious, either we are in the wrong place or we are expecting too much too fast.

2. The Secular Franciscans are not a substitute for the Friars or the nuns of the Franciscan family.

The secular religious retains his or her secular state, because it is essential. If you are to bring the Gospel to the world, you are going to do it as one of many. In other words, you are bringing the gospel to your office as another employee. You bring it to your school, as another student. This makes you very unique. Your faith and spirituality should be very visible, but your appearance should be very typical. You are not a friar or a nun.

3. The profession the Secular Franciscan is equal to that of the friars and the nuns in grace, validity, commitment, and intensity. It is a public canonical profession binding until death. All three have promised to live the Gospel of Jesus Christ in the manner of St. Francis. The differences are two: mandatory celibacy and conventual life.

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Regarding “secular religious”: I’ve never heard this. IMO it is a confusing phrase. Is it in the constitutions? I think the description I’ve heard is that it is a real order, not a real religious order. The promises are not binding under pain of sin.
 
**1. The Secular Franciscan Order is a real religious order. **

Like every religious family that is very large there are going to be differences, strengths and weaknesses. What unites a religious community is the sense of belonging of each member. Whether it’s Dominican, Franciscan, Carmelite or other. We know that we have arrived when we feel that sense of belonging. When we feel that we are living the religious life in the secular world, which is what a secular religious does. If we are tentative or anxious, either we are in the wrong place or we are expecting too much too fast.

2. The Secular Franciscans are not a substitute for the Friars or the nuns of the Franciscan family.

The secular religious retains his or her secular state, because it is essential. If you are to bring the Gospel to the world, you are going to do it as one of many. In other words, you are bringing the gospel to your office as another employee. You bring it to your school, as another student. This makes you very unique. Your faith and spirituality should be very visible, but your appearance should be very typical. You are not a friar or a nun.

3. The profession the Secular Franciscan is equal to that of the friars and the nuns in grace, validity, commitment, and intensity. It is a public canonical profession binding until death. All three have promised to live the Gospel of Jesus Christ in the manner of St. Francis. The differences are two: mandatory celibacy and conventual life.

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Regarding “secular religious”: I’ve never heard this. IMO it is a confusing phrase. Is it in the constitutions? I think the description I’ve heard is that it is a real order, not a real religious order. The promises are not binding under pain of sin.
This term was coined by Pope Leo XIII and Pius XII, later it was used by the Sacred Congregation for Religious and Secular Institutes to describe the secular orders as “truly religious orders”. The term secular was added in 1978 by Pope Paul VI when the term Third Order was dropped by the Franciscans, Carmelites and Dominicans. It is a merger of two concepts: the religious tradition (Franciscan, Dominican, Carmelite, etc) and the secular world. The idea was to emphasize that the individual is canonically a secular man or woman, but is not part of the secular world. It’s a rephrase of in this world, but of this world, if you get my meaning.

Fraternally,

JR 🙂
 
Hello All,

I know this a strange request given the topic of this thread but I feel the calling to join a Secular Franciscan order or something along those lines to deepen my spirit with Jesus our Lord. Unfortunatley, I hvae not been able to find (neither has my parish priest) any local orders. Does anyone know of an order in or near Rapid City, South Dakota? Thank you for your time.

Blessings
This is the email address for the Regional Minister for that area. There is a fraternity in Rapid City, SD called Living Stones.

malsfo@msn.com

Fraternally,

JR 🙂
 
The Statutes say: Art.42 s1 “…profession is the solemn ecclesial act by which the candidate …renews the baptismal promises and publicly affirms [the] personal commitment to live the Gospel in the world according to the example of Francis and follow the rule of the sfo.” it nowhere says we are secular or otherwise religious. I disagree with your using the phrase. I think it is confusing.
 
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