Discipline and cilice

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Although I would assume that OPUS DEI would get some sort of volume discount.
perhaps we could ask CA to sell them on the homepage with their books, or have them listed in the EWTN religious catalog, I will certainly TIVO their program that advertises them. If we can make our own rosaries surely somebody will come out with a DIY cilice kit.
 
perhaps we could ask CA to sell them on the homepage with their books, or have them listed in the EWTN religious catalog, I will certainly TIVO their program that advertises them. If we can make our own rosaries surely somebody will come out with a DIY cilice kit.
:bigyikes: don’t think it’d be a big seller somehow :nope: - besides which, not to be used except under spiritual direction. I don’t think they should ever be available for just anyone to buy.
 
Wimp. 😃 I have flat feet/fallen arches. I need Z-Coil shoes ($250) and prescription orthotics ($500). If I want discomfort, all I need to do is walk around in ordinary shoes or slippers.:rolleyes:

But all this has aroused my curiosity, and I would like to try…ONCE…the cilice. As for “discipline”, a heavy shoelace tied with knots would seem to be a cheap alternative. 👍

And, of course, the ULTIMATE penance is still…pilling a cat.
Naaah, when I was a kid I had bathe our cat a few times - she got goodness-knows-what revolting goop on her that she couldn’t clean off for herself. THAT is the ultimate penance!
 
the cilice in that website looks scary.
Well supposedly they don’t draw blood or leave any lasting mark on the skin, so they can’t be all that dreadful. No worse than an ill-fitting pair of shoes I’d imagine.
 
What is the point of this thread? To mock Opus Dei?

Try again. Like it or not, its a Personal prelature of the Church.

And, if you cant find a spiritual director, or the Love for sharing your suffering with Christ then dont do it. Its not for everyone.

No one is judging you, why is your tone so judgmental for those approved by the Church?:confused:

From what authority do you speak?
 
The cilice and discipline are for amateurs:p–where can I get me a good hairshirt! 😃

Of course, one could go even further and be like St. Rose of Lima, who wore a crown of metal spikes covered by flowers so no one would know. :getholy:
 
What is the point of this thread? To mock Opus Dei?

Try again. Like it or not, its a Personal prelature of the Church.

And, if you cant find a spiritual director, or the Love for sharing your suffering with Christ then dont do it. Its not for everyone.

No one is judging you, why is your tone so judgmental for those approved by the Church?:confused:

From what authority do you speak?
Hold your horses! There have been incredibly few mentions of Opus Dei in this thread (in fact only one, I believe).

I don’t think any mocking or criticism of anyone was involved - certainly not Opus Dei. At least not unless they run that website that sells cilices.

And as has been pointed out, there are many many ways other than the cilice and whip in which you can join in the sufferings of Christ. We’re just giving friendly warnings that such practices should only be undertaken under spiritual direction.
 
The cilice and discipline are for amateurs:p–where can I get me a good hairshirt! 😃

Of course, one could go even further and be like St. Rose of Lima, who wore a crown of metal spikes covered by flowers so no one would know. :getholy:
The cilice is actually based on the old hairshirt - if you look at the derivation of the name ‘cilice’ you’ll see that.
 
Believe it or not, about 5 minutes ago I stumbled across this website via…my AOL search engine. AOL? Sweetness and light AOL giving me THIS link…??

cilice.co.uk/

And I was right. Grossly overpriced. Almost as expensive as filling up my car’s gas tank:rolleyes: Although I would assume that OPUS DEI would get some sort of volume discount.
I am offended by your post.

And your rolling eyes.

You do know that Josemaria Escriva is a Saint?

Do you think it wise to make folly of someone’s spirituality?
 
I am offended by your post.

And your rolling eyes.

You do know that Josemaria Escriva is a Saint?

Do you think it wise to make folly of someone’s spirituality?
My “rolling eyes” were meant as a joke about the high price of gas.

Yes, I am quite aware that Escriva is a Saint, and that many Saints have used the Cilice. Including my patron Saint Francis of Assisi. My “making folly” was at those who want to use such devices without spiritual direction and/or any clear concept as to “why” and/or with a morbid fascination of breaking skin and drawing blood…which is a no-no with such devices. 😦

And it is a very poor spirituality that cannot laugh at itself as needed. And enjoy life… (Opinion…not endorsed nor opposed by my cats.)
 
The cilice is actually based on the old hairshirt - if you look at the derivation of the name ‘cilice’ you’ll see that.
Interesting. I did not know that.

I just looked up cilice in the dictionary and the defintions was–you guessed it–“a hairshirt.” 👍
 
What is the point of this thread? To mock Opus Dei?

Try again. Like it or not, its a Personal prelature of the Church.

And, if you cant find a spiritual director, or the Love for sharing your suffering with Christ then dont do it. Its not for everyone.

No one is judging you, why is your tone so judgmental for those approved by the Church?:confused:

From what authority do you speak?
Mock Opus Dei? Of course not. Get real, will you. All that most people, including the guy that started this thread, know about discipline and cilice is what they saw in the DI VINCI movie…not a reliable source. Of course Opus Dei is mentioned in this context.

Did you actually bother to follow the link I gave to the Opus Dei page on mortification? If so, did you click on the brief video clip? All pretty mild. I would agree with the Priest on the video clip that fasting is more uncomfortable then the proper use of the cilice. :yup:
 
Interesting. I did not know that.

I just looked up cilice in the dictionary and the defintions was–you guessed it–“a hairshirt.” 👍
Which makes me wonder if anybody is still making those hairshirts. Obviously, cat hair would not be useful in this context.🙂
 
anybody with cats already has a hairshirt, also a hair couch, hair chair, hair bedspread etc.

anyone tempted to spiritual pride should own a cat, who will rapidly cut you down to size and lower your self-esteem.
 
anybody with cats already has a hairshirt, also a hair couch, hair chair, hair bedspread etc.

anyone tempted to spiritual pride should own a cat, who will rapidly cut you down to size and lower your self-esteem.
Yup, anybody claiming to be a penitent needs at least one cat. I am quite happy to have two, and a third may be on the way. (An elderly lady in my apartment complex may have to move into a nursing home soon, leaving behind her cat. I have already agreed to adopt him.)
 
A cat who still has its claws is a living cilice.

Hey, there’s a good name for a cat - Cilice! 😃

Betsy
 
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