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fin
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reading the thread about selfinflicted pain, are there any online Catholic stores that sell the discipine and cilice? i’m looking around for some.
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puzzleannie
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has your spiritual director discerned with you these penitential practices? If not they are ill advised.
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Michael_Howard
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Fasting and denying yourself some of the comforts you are used to are excellent mortifications and less painful
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Margita
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Have you read all the replies? Self-inflicted pain is not a surefire way to heaven and fasting or any other act of self-denial, coupled with increased charity (giving the money you’d spend on food to charity etc.) are far more reasonable than a cilicium.
If you must have some medievalism in spirituality, just sleep with your wristwatch on. You wouldn’t think how annoying it can be! I do it when I have to get up extra early…
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fin
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ive thought about it. i dont want the cilice, it’s too painful. but how about the whip? and i don’t have a spiritual director. to the 2nd poster, i do penances regularly like not eating lunch or eating very little, carrying heavy things, doing favors for others etc.
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batteddy
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Well, you can always make one tying shoelaces together.
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LilyM
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Talk to your own priest or confessor if you have no Spiritual Director - but from what I know of St Therese of Lisieux she did no more than you. The intent and love of God and neighbour with which you make your sacrifices, large or small, is much more important than the painfulness or extremity of them.
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puzzleannie
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no one should undertake physical penance beyond the normal fasting and abstinence practices of the Church without spiritual direction. That is classic advice from spiritual writers. Doing favors for others is a normal part of Christian life, not a penance. Your intent in what you do is all important, as is your attitude, and their are spiritual (as well as physical) dangers in doing harsh practices without spiritual direction. The testimony of all the saints bears this out.
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Andruschak
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But what is the point of cilice and/or whip? Spiritual pride, to show you are “tougher” then others? To impress others? :nope:
If you want to consider a proven method of penance and conversion that has been around almost 900 years, started by Saint Francis, and that still works today, perhaps you might want to visit The Confraternity of Penitents at www/penitents.org/ or the Brothers and Sisters of Penance at bspenance.org/
(For those who are wondering what is being discussed, here is a brief article on the subject. Note that the modern version is NOT supposed to break skin or draw blood.)
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cilice
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Andruschak
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fin
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weeelll, doing favors for others is our duty, but it’s great penance too, esp. for me when sometimes i don’t feel like doing it.
about the conf. of Penitents, ive seen the rules and i can’t do it. i don’t think i’m called to that as i’m drawn to beautiful things.
about the conf. of Penitents, ive seen the rules and i can’t do it. i don’t think i’m called to that as i’m drawn to beautiful things.
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Andruschak
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By “drawn to beautiful things”, do you mean possessions? Whilst the Rule suggests simplification of possessions and living style, this is to be worked out with your spiritual director. I have some beautiful icons and religious posters, for example.
And remember that the CFP is about a life of JOYFUL penance, as we try to do more for God and less for ourselves.
BTW, did you ever find a place that sells those cilices and disciplines? Just curious, as they are a part of Church history, even if over-blown by some people.
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puzzleannie
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aw you’re no fun. my pantyhose cause more discomfort than the objects described in this article, does that mean I can offer it up when I have to wear them? yes, it does, because the value of penance is not in the degree of pain or discomfort, or the method, but in the act of offering, that is, the conscious expressed desire to unite whatever sufferings, imposed or voluntary, we endure with those of Christ. At my stage in life, between the strict medical diet I must follow and the aches, pains and trauma of aging, and a new disorder diagnosed every month, I don’t need to go looking for penance, it gets fed-exed to my door.
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fin
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yeah i can’t find stores that sell these.
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Genesis315
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St. Francis de Sales says lay people really shouldn’t do these types of things, but if they must, it should be only with the guidance of a spiritual director.
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Andruschak
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Of course not. Ever hear of “product liability lawsuits”? Discipline and cilice are supposed to cause discomfort, not pain. You are not to break skin or draw blood. Assume they were sold publicly, instead of under-the-counter. Sooner or later some idiot (and the world is full of them) would cause himself (women tend to be more sensable about this sort of thing) serious injury that could not be reversed. SUE!
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Andruschak
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Wimp.
I have flat feet/fallen arches. I need Z-Coil shoes ($250) and prescription orthotics ($500). If I want discomfort, all I need to do is walk around in ordinary shoes or slippers.
But all this has aroused my curiosity, and I would like to try…ONCE…the cilice. As for “discipline”, a heavy shoelace tied with knots would seem to be a cheap alternative.
And, of course, the ULTIMATE penance is still…pilling a cat.
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Andruschak
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Well, of course, but first you would have to find a place that would sell you one, which I think was the intention of the original poster.
(And I’m willing to bet that, given the low volume and the limited market, they would be quite expensive.
Certainly not within the spirituality of poverty.)
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LilyM
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Actually the market, at least for similar items, would be quite large, you just have to know where toWell, of course, but first you would have to find a place that would sell you one, which I think was the intention of the original poster.
(And I’m willing to bet that, given the low volume and the limited market, they would be quite expensive.
look for 'em.
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Andruschak
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Believe it or not, about 5 minutes ago I stumbled across this website via…my AOL search engine. AOL? Sweetness and light AOL giving me THIS link…??Actually the market, at least for similar items, would be quite large, you just have to know where to
cilice.co.uk/
And I was right. Grossly overpriced. Almost as expensive as filling up my car’s gas tank
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