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mlz
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I’m with you Trishie. That verse in Timothy is good.
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aspirant
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I don’t know about that, but here’s the Gospel of Mark translated into Klingon. And a blog devoted to “Thinking about the Scriptures, through the lens of the Klingon Language Version.”
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gurneyhalleck1
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Very true and a good point. Not only is much of what we “learn” in college bogus and liberal pie in the sky, when we are young and of a college age we’re often in la-la land. I know I was! A lot of college students would worship the Kraken if you offered it to them.
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mlz
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Amen,
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Eris_Discordia
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Hey, like I said, doesn’t work for everyone.But I like order, law, and tradition!
I just like it for me.
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Eris_Discordia
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Nope. I learned all of this through my own research. I only learned about Eastern religions, and this semester we are learning about the Bible. Most of what I have learned, aside from psychology and how to write properly was all learned through my own personal research.
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Vasian
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Hello Eris, Jerry Springer is on line 1, and when you get done speaking with him, Maury Povich is on line 2:thumbsup:There are a lot of people here who have asked me about my religion, and there are some who have no idea what it is. It’s a very small religion, so that’s understandable. Anyway, I would like to tell you a little bit about it.
I am Discordian, which is a 1950’s religion started by Greg Hill, under the pseudonym Mal-2. It is pretty much just what the name says. It’s the devotion to Eris, Greek Goddess of Chaos and Disorder, also known to the Romans as Discordia. We revel in chaos and disorder. This is pretty much the short answer. As opposed to order, we believe chaos and dissent are just as valuable, and we do not believe in absolute morality. The religion itself doesn’t even need to be considered a religion. It’s pretty much whatever the practitioner wants it to be. Most people who are Discordian don’t have it as their sole belief system.
That was just a little background. Now for some of what we believe. The book, the Principia Discordia, is the book that most Discordians have read, and that is what pretty much started the religion. Discordians encourage dissent, schisms, and different sects forming in the religion itself. As a Discordian, I am free to interpret my beliefs any way that I want.
I choose to be a solitary Discordian, and have no one but myself in my sect. My sect does focus on dissent, but also more on going against the grain of society, and seeing things as a spectrum, not in black and white. There is no moral absolute, and nothing is black and white. Not even gender. I consider myself gender neutral, and androgynous. I am also bisexual/pansexual. Pansexual is basically being attracted to someone no matter what their gender is, and this includes anyone outside the gender norm. Now, before anyone asks, this only applies to adults.
I am also a Pope: The rights of a Pope include but are not necessarily limited to:
Notice the last one. It’s all about breaking down the barriers.
Our symbol is the sacred Chao, which is a Yin-Yang, with a pentagram on one side and the Golden Apple on the other.
We also have 5 commandments.
he Pentabarf is the doctrine of Discordianism. It is as follows:
The last one completely disestablishes all of the other commandments. If you are still following me, congratulations, because it’s not easy to follow.
Anyway, there is a lot more to it than just quoting the Principia. To break it down into the simplest terms, it’s simply whatever you want it to be.
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gurneyhalleck1
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I don’t know, man. Being a padawan learner takes years. Just look at Anakin; he just wasn’t willing to spend the time and wanted to advance to the council so quickly…took that whole darkside sith route. Dealing with the politics of getting along with Yoda and Mace Windu is tough stuff…a difficult religion to enter! 
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gurneyhalleck1
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Life should be taken seriously, though, with regard to religion. Our eternal destiny, the salvation of others, charity, relief from poverty, prayer, hope, coping with the sadness and countermeasures of life, these are serious issues.
Change it into what? This is the essence of religion…what do we want to change it into? Bin Laden and his cronies want to “change the world.” I just don’t like their vision. Catholics, Jews, Mormons, we all want to “change the world.” But the question is…into what? Eris is the epitome of chaos and turbulence. Our world has enough of that. I often hear people say, “man, I don’t trust organized religion!” My reply is, “then you want disorganized religion?” It may sound whimsical to a discordian but the truth is that the only thing that results is contradiction, descention, confusion, and moral relativism. Like Benedict XVI says, the result of moral relativism (the idea that you have your truth, I have mine!) is that it seperates us all as human beings into little tiny prisons where we are isolated, set apart, living in our own worlds…and eventually we have a collision course with destiny and the one truth that exists in the afterlife.
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Eris_Discordia
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Yes. I go to church every Christmas with my family, (I don’t receive communion), I was raised Catholic, and went to church with my mom every week until 18, and went to a Catholic high school, and had mass there. In 9th grade, I became a cantor, so there were times I went to more than one mass. I went to Catholic grade school, and was in both the children’s and High School choirs, as well as liturgy service. I also played hand bells, and sung for Children’s Liturgy until college. I was very active in the church, and got the Bishop Neuman award for my children’s liturgy service. I’ve met the bishop several times, and even sung at the Academy of Music for the Bishop. I’ve even sung at televised masses on Channel 6 news in Philly. So short answer is “yes”
*Edit. Well, I’m not sure if the Academy thing was for the Bishop, but it was a city wide concert by Catholic grade school choirs. We had an amazing Choir director and organist for like 12 years. She just left our church this year, unfortunately.
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Eris_Discordia
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LOL, those guys are way too low on the scale for my taste. How about Judge Judy? She’s tough.
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Eris_Discordia
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I don’t think one can perfect themselves. We live in an imperfect world. I embrace the good and the bad, and try not to dwell on my mistakes. I make them, but so does everyone. I just learn from them and move on. Plus, I like that the world is imperfect. You can find beauty in negative spaces.Man I wonder what your house looks like if you worship chaos!
Seriously, I think we are here to perfect ourselves, not let everything go to you know where. This is done by having order, rationality and purpose. Christianity is actually a difficult religion, as it requires a lot of self-examination, repentence and change.
I know you are young, but don’t go too far astray. The right road is the straight and narrow.
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Eris_Discordia
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I didn’t really make this post to get lectured on what you think of my religion, good sir. I made it so people knew what my religion was and could explain myself without taking up space in other people’s thread. If you don’t like it, cool, but I do, so don’t insult my intelligence, please.
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Eris_Discordia
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There is also a “Matrix” religion as well. Not Solipsism, which is the philosophy, but an actual religion.I don’t know, man. Being a padawan learner takes years. Just look at Anakin; he just wasn’t willing to spend the time and wanted to advance to the council so quickly…took that whole darkside sith route. Dealing with the politics of getting along with Yoda and Mace Windu is tough stuff…a difficult religion to enter!
*Edit: should be quotes around that…
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Eris_Discordia
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I’m happy with not taking life so seriously. I do donate to charities when I have money, and I have a lot of hope, which keeps me going. How I cope with sadness is easy, I remember that this life isn’t finite, and that no sadness lasts forever. I’ve suffered depression, and have been through a heck of a lot of bad times. I just deal, and remember that if I don’t like it, I can change it. I almost failed out of college, but I realized I had issues, and I am dealing with them, and have changed for the better. I don’t mean that everything should be a joke, but I think that people need to learn and look at the bright side, and see that life is worth it.
Change into something better. We can decide for ourselves that we won’t participate in killing and hatred. We need to be tolerant of other’s differences, and respect others. That is why I have no set morality, and don’t set out to force it on others. As I have said, my beliefs aren’t yours, and I have no interest in making you believe them. If we learned that we are all different, yet still the same part of the larger human race, and learn that everything is subjective, it will help us. If we educate ourselves in other cultures, other religions, other schools of thought, then we can better understand where our brothers and sisters are coming from, instead of forcing people to accept one absolute truth. I don’t believe there is any right or wrong answer to what happens when we die, and I will not live my life in a way that I cannot agree with, based on what could be.
Life is short, and I cannot be concerned with what happens after we die. I was miserable when I was Catholic, and I cannot trust any man(Man as in Human, not "man) with my morals. I trust in myself, and that all that I am is something I can be proud of, and know that I am doing the right thing by me, and trying to make things better for the people around me.
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gurneyhalleck1
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I had no idea you were formerly Catholic. Correction, you still are Catholic. Your baptism and first communion never leave you. Only you leave the Church.
I can tell you honestly that morality isn’t subjective. Either God created the world, gave us a moral code by which to live, or He didn’t and life is random chaotic happenstance. I reject the latter and embrace the former. Are you totally willing to reject Jesus as your savior? He died on the Cross, suffered a horrendous Passion, took on humanity for your sake and mine, and rose again. Can you say discordianism has a deity that took on the flesh of humanity and suffered the same poverty, cold, heat, loneliness, laughter, illness, family, love, loss, and death that you and I experience?
Why were you “miserable” as a Catholic? Imagine a God who loves you so much, He died for your sins. He then offers you His flesh and blood daily at communion, gives you a room to walk into with a priest to wipe away your sins and failings, gives you a mouth to sing song to Him, the Bible to know His word, 2,000 years of ecclesiastical understanding and study of Him, and in the end you will spend eternity in peace, joy, and the intimacy of God Almighty. That makes you miserable? Is it so outrageous that this God would expect you to follow rules? Your parents had rules. My classroom has rules. Rules shape, protect, and guide us. Chaos is idiotic in every context. Imagine a parent with no rules. You don’t have to go to school, can have sex at 12 years old, can stay out till 2am, can fight cheat and steal. No problem. Or in my classroom I’ll let kids insult each other, talk while I teach, lie, go home when they feel like it, you name it. Some classroom. Some childhood…some life. Your life is meant to have rules, boundaries, and morality to keep you whole and a child of God. You sound like you’re in open rebellion from God and you want to be your own God. I don’t mean to sound offensive but it sounds like you’re in a time of upheavel and rebellion. You want a God that will rubber stamp what you like and don’t like. A God who validates parking?
If morals are subjective then all hell will break loose, literally. Hitler felt morals were subjective, so did Mao and Edi Amin and Pol Pot, Stalin, and Saddam. They felt that Jews, or political dissidents or capitalists or the retarded, homosexuals, etc. were all expendable. That’s the result of moral subjectivity and chaos thinking. The 1960’s gave birth to chaos and that’s why we now have an off-the-hook divorce rate, abortion all over, failing schools, prisons loaded to the max, and a culture that is fickle rarely knowing what it wants in anything.
I can tell you honestly that morality isn’t subjective. Either God created the world, gave us a moral code by which to live, or He didn’t and life is random chaotic happenstance. I reject the latter and embrace the former. Are you totally willing to reject Jesus as your savior? He died on the Cross, suffered a horrendous Passion, took on humanity for your sake and mine, and rose again. Can you say discordianism has a deity that took on the flesh of humanity and suffered the same poverty, cold, heat, loneliness, laughter, illness, family, love, loss, and death that you and I experience?
Why were you “miserable” as a Catholic? Imagine a God who loves you so much, He died for your sins. He then offers you His flesh and blood daily at communion, gives you a room to walk into with a priest to wipe away your sins and failings, gives you a mouth to sing song to Him, the Bible to know His word, 2,000 years of ecclesiastical understanding and study of Him, and in the end you will spend eternity in peace, joy, and the intimacy of God Almighty. That makes you miserable? Is it so outrageous that this God would expect you to follow rules? Your parents had rules. My classroom has rules. Rules shape, protect, and guide us. Chaos is idiotic in every context. Imagine a parent with no rules. You don’t have to go to school, can have sex at 12 years old, can stay out till 2am, can fight cheat and steal. No problem. Or in my classroom I’ll let kids insult each other, talk while I teach, lie, go home when they feel like it, you name it. Some classroom. Some childhood…some life. Your life is meant to have rules, boundaries, and morality to keep you whole and a child of God. You sound like you’re in open rebellion from God and you want to be your own God. I don’t mean to sound offensive but it sounds like you’re in a time of upheavel and rebellion. You want a God that will rubber stamp what you like and don’t like. A God who validates parking?
If morals are subjective then all hell will break loose, literally. Hitler felt morals were subjective, so did Mao and Edi Amin and Pol Pot, Stalin, and Saddam. They felt that Jews, or political dissidents or capitalists or the retarded, homosexuals, etc. were all expendable. That’s the result of moral subjectivity and chaos thinking. The 1960’s gave birth to chaos and that’s why we now have an off-the-hook divorce rate, abortion all over, failing schools, prisons loaded to the max, and a culture that is fickle rarely knowing what it wants in anything.
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dzheremi
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You’re right. I really should keep my opinion out of something that you post on a public forum, or at the least take your lack of seriousness about life more seriously. Now if you’ll excuse me I have to go worship confusion and chaos and disorder by coloring outside the lines, kicking over an anthill, and buying my 78-year-old neighbor some baby clothes. That will cause SO MUCH confusion, won’t it? The Roman pagans as re-imagined 60 years ago by someone calling himself “Mal-2” will be really impressed. All hail Discordia! Carpe Bardus!
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PlipPlop
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You didn’t give a piece of constructive criticism, or ask a question. You barged in and started hurling insults.You’re right. I really should keep my opinion out of something that you post on a public forum, or at the least take your lack of seriousness about life more seriously. Now if you’ll excuse me I have to go worship confusion and chaos and disorder by coloring outside the lines, kicking over an anthill, and buying my 78-year-old neighbor some baby clothes. That will cause SO MUCH confusion, won’t it? The Roman pagans as re-imagined 60 years ago by someone calling himself “Mal-2” will be really impressed. All hail Discordia! Carpe Bardus!
You also seem to have a less than full grasp of what Discordianism is and show yourself as being incapable of suffering alternate religions without screaming that you’re right, they’re wrong, and any belief not your own isn’t worth the time it would take to explain it.
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dzheremi
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Sorry I can’t sugarcoat when I find something to be ridiculous. As I recall other posts in this thread suggested that she go on Jerry Springer or some other talk shows. Why not complain to those people about their insults towards the great and respectable Discordian religion? Maybe I should have suggested other talk shows she could go on, in order to make sure that I include enough constructive criticism to please you and make my post worthy of being read by you, since you of course are being forced to read it.
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Eris_Discordia
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As for rules, I don’t think that morality can be regulated fully. Yes, we shouldn’t kill, rape, and be terrible people, but I think that comes more from the fact that this would be forcing things on people, and I would never force anything on an individual. Murder is forced death, rape is forced sexual intercourse, and being a jerk is forcing people to deal with your unpleasantness.(not you specifically, general “you”). I would never do any of these things (Well, I can be a jerk sometimes, but I try not to. Nobody is perfect.) Chaos is neutral, and doesn’t pick a side. Chaos is all around us. Look at nature, look at the nature of people, look at artists, look at things perceived as “Good” and “Bad”. Take Love, for example. Love is perfectly chaotic. It can make us do many wonderful and terrible things. We have no idea whether our love for someone will last, nor if they will continue to feel the same. It can make us feel wonderful, or make us feel horrible. We have no way of knowing how our love will end, yet we still love. Love is not ordered, and it can be both good, (Marriage, kids, companionship, respect, and other wonderful things,) and bad (Rejection, toxic relationships, murder-suicides, people who stay in abusive relationships, and other terrible things). I’m not calling for complete destruction of rules, because even though anarchy is idealistic, it is hardly practical, nor realistic. As for all of the things you’ve mentioned, this is not what I mean by moral relativity. There are ways to be chaotic without disregarding complete common sense, which is what all of the things you’ve listed are. Education is important for everyone, because it helps produce better people, children can not consent to sex, and at that age, they should not be having sex with each other, because they are not old enough to make these kinds of choices for themselves, and they shouldn’t be allowed out til 2, because it’s dangerous, and they’re not adults.
My life does have boundaries, ones that I set for myself. I have my own boundaries and moral code, and uphold them to the best of my ability. I have things I will never, ever do, and have been good at keeping it. I don’t steal, I don’t cheat in relationships or on schoolwork, I won’t take a life, unless in self defense, and I will never rape, because I am a rape victim. I just choose to follow a self made code, and not force it on others. I will never tell a person that they are wrong in whatever faith they choose, even if it is not my faith.
The 1960’s gave birth to chaos, and a lot of good came out of it, like the Civil Rights movement. It also got people to actively think about things, and care about what happened around the globe, and to question our government, and to care that our government messed up, and work to do something about it. Yes, there was a lot of bad, but there was also a lot of good.
My life does have boundaries, ones that I set for myself. I have my own boundaries and moral code, and uphold them to the best of my ability. I have things I will never, ever do, and have been good at keeping it. I don’t steal, I don’t cheat in relationships or on schoolwork, I won’t take a life, unless in self defense, and I will never rape, because I am a rape victim. I just choose to follow a self made code, and not force it on others. I will never tell a person that they are wrong in whatever faith they choose, even if it is not my faith.
Please don’t bring up or compare my beliefs to Hitler or any dictator. Especially Hitler, because my boyfriend is Jewish, and being compared to someone who killed many members of his faith is offensive to me, as well as him killing homosexuals and disabled persons, because of my orientation and the fact that my father was quadriplegic. Not trying to make a big deal out of it, but I just wanted to let you know
The 1960’s gave birth to chaos, and a lot of good came out of it, like the Civil Rights movement. It also got people to actively think about things, and care about what happened around the globe, and to question our government, and to care that our government messed up, and work to do something about it. Yes, there was a lot of bad, but there was also a lot of good.
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