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Oooops–should have checked an “are they dead” website first–or even wikipedia
I remember RAW “non fiction” musings (can hardly call them philosophy)–it seemed he was stuck in ultra-relativism and an automatic rejection of anything that might support the historic claims of Christianity. Still, he was one of the few proto-New Agers who actually warned “seekers” that insane asylums were filled with people who went delving deeply into the Occult
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Oops. Double post.
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On the only occasion that I met him, he was not notably out-going. But he did sign a few books for me.
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It’s cool! I really don’t care either way. I’m kind of more masculine anyway, TBH. Most of my friends don’t even consider me a girl. I’m kind of androgynous, and having short hair IRL doesn’t help.
me too. I’d forgotten that I’d read “Harrison Bergeron”. I’ve read it for class. I really liked it a lot. I also like “A Modest Proposal” by Swift. I should re-read both of them.
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Honestly, I can’t say I’m sorry with the way I am. I am happy, and free. I don’t feel trapped in a corner, hating myself for things that I “did wrong”, that I didn’t even consider to be wrong. As for turning my back on my faith, I did so because I refused to half accept the Church. I either completely agreed with all of it, or I disagreed with most of it. I wasn’t going to keep up appearances to satisfy others’ desires for me. I wasn’t going to be a “Cafeteria Catholic”, because I won’t fake things like that. I went through a good two years faking being happy when I was depressed, and I refuse to be dishonest with myself anymore, and with others.I wouldn’t get into a murder is = to being gay debate. I think both are serious sins but obviously murder is far more serious and with far more horrific consequences. Murder is about as serious as it gets. But being gay and bisexual is a sin, no question about it. I’m sorry to hear that you’ve gone down that road and that you’d embraced secular culture to this degree. Really in the end it’s either the Christian faith or its the secular religion, no real in between. The “freedom” one feels in turning his/her back on Christ Jesus is not a freedom at all but a sad prison. I’m saddened to hear that you’ve turned your back on the faith of your childhood and of your mother. Maybe like St. Monica and her son, Augustine, mom’s prayers will in fact win you back someday. I pray that is so.
I think you need to dig deep and ask yourself why you’re on a Catholic message board. I know that if I felt as you do about Catholicism and I was in your situation with your view of the world, Catholic message boards would be the very last place on earth I would be frequenting. Just a hunch, just a feeling, but I think a bit of your old Catholic skin is still in the DNA and you feel a draw to it. Maybe you’re not ready to admit it or get near it, but maybe your Catholic faith is still there in some form. I pray it is.
I challenge you to go to Ash Wednesday, open your heart to God, turn away from the futile, chaotic, sad secular generation we live in. I think it’s Chesterton (GKC could correct me and probably will) who said words to the effect that Catholicism is the only thing that keeps a man from being a child of his generation. Food for thought. May God bless you.
As for why I am here, I like knowledge, and I like learning, and I like hearing from different viewpoints even if I disagree. I like to learn every side to an argument. If I am going to disagree with something, I want to be informed as much as possible. I like to look at everything from every angle, and try to put myself in someone else’s shoes. It helps me understand people better, and makes me less likely to be judgmental. I think it makes me a better person if I can try to disassociate people from stereotypes. I’m trying to better myself, and grow as a person by learning about something that, even though I grew up in, I still don’t fully understand. I’d rather go interact with people and get real viewpoints then get canned answers from a book.
As for opening my heart to God, I’ve tried many times. It wasn’t easy for me to leave. My mother was really upset, and she felt like she was a bad parent, and blamed herself for stuff, which I knew she would do, and didn’t want to put her in that kind of situation at all. Thankfully, she’s gotten a lot better with accepting that me leaving was nothing to do with her, but it wasn’t like I made the easy choice to walk away. I made the most difficult decision of my life. I lost friends I’d had for years because of it, and life was hard for my mom and I because of my decision. After everything calmed down, things have been a lot better, both in my own life, and for my mom and I, relationship-wise. We were able to get a lot closer because I could talk to her about everything without skirting around the issue. I was also able to get to know her better, and she was able to get to know me better as a result.
:Edit: Thanks for being respectful.
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“I challenge you to go to Ash Wednesday, open your heart to God, turn away from the futile, chaotic, sad secular generation we live in. I think it’s Chesterton (GKC could correct me and probably will ) who said words to the effect that Catholicism is the only thing that keeps a man from being a child of his generation. Food for thought. May God bless you.”
GKC will confirm you. Chesterton said it more than once. The easiest place to find it is the beginning of Chap. V of THE CATHOLIC CHURCH AND CONVERSION: “The Catholic Church is the only thing that saves a man from the degrading slavery of being a child of his age”. You will also find it, slightly different, in the first paragraph of an essay entitled “Why I am a Catholic”, most readily located in Vol III of the Ignatius Press collected works.
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GKC will confirm you. Chesterton said it more than once. The easiest place to find it is the beginning of Chap. V of THE CATHOLIC CHURCH AND CONVERSION: “The Catholic Church is the only thing that saves a man from the degrading slavery of being a child of his age”. You will also find it, slightly different, in the first paragraph of an essay entitled “Why I am a Catholic”, most readily located in Vol III of the Ignatius Press collected works.
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Go in peace, for a blessed Lent, frater.
I did bacon, and washed dishes, at the Shrove Tuesday supper. Both seemed to go ok.
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I did bacon, and washed dishes, at the Shrove Tuesday supper. Both seemed to go ok.
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I always loved the name “Shrove” Tuesday. Couldn’t get more Britished up, could they? 
“Doing” bacon and washing dishes all in the line of duty for the Shrove time…They have this Shrove Tuesday pancake supper at St. Pauls. It’s $6.00 per person. I never once went to it just out of the miserly principle that I know I could make enough pancakes to inundate a wheel barrow for $6.00!
Glad everything went ok…I hope you have a blessed Lent, too! Still thinking about what I plan to give up. I have that pretty much ironed out. Getting ready to fast tomorrow. Every Lent Kate and I do the Bible/Catholic marathon of DVDs. Kate and I are watching the “John Paul II” mini series on DVD with John Voigt and Carey Elwes playing JP2. I really love that flick. Touching and really down to earth. He’s still my hero. Gets me in a Lenten mood. I usually work up the courage over about 30 days to watch the Passion of the Christ. That movie upsets me a lot but I need to see it during Lent. It’s powerful and deep but a real tough film to watch for me. We always watch “Jesus of Nazareth” the mini series from the late 70’s with Robert Powell, Ann Bancroft, James Farentino, and the gang on DVD and “The Story of David” with Timothy Bottoms and Anthony Quayle. I saw it years ago late at night on TBS at like 1am and couldn’t get over how accurate and nicely-done it was. Then Kate and I watch “Abraham” with Richard Harris and Barbara Hershey and the other Bible flicks that followed. So I give up my usual sci fi and action and comedy DVD’s for religious ones. I replace all the kids nightly reading with Biblical and religious themed stories.
“Doing” bacon and washing dishes all in the line of duty for the Shrove time…They have this Shrove Tuesday pancake supper at St. Pauls. It’s $6.00 per person. I never once went to it just out of the miserly principle that I know I could make enough pancakes to inundate a wheel barrow for $6.00! Glad everything went ok…I hope you have a blessed Lent, too! Still thinking about what I plan to give up. I have that pretty much ironed out. Getting ready to fast tomorrow. Every Lent Kate and I do the Bible/Catholic marathon of DVDs. Kate and I are watching the “John Paul II” mini series on DVD with John Voigt and Carey Elwes playing JP2. I really love that flick. Touching and really down to earth. He’s still my hero. Gets me in a Lenten mood. I usually work up the courage over about 30 days to watch the Passion of the Christ. That movie upsets me a lot but I need to see it during Lent. It’s powerful and deep but a real tough film to watch for me. We always watch “Jesus of Nazareth” the mini series from the late 70’s with Robert Powell, Ann Bancroft, James Farentino, and the gang on DVD and “The Story of David” with Timothy Bottoms and Anthony Quayle. I saw it years ago late at night on TBS at like 1am and couldn’t get over how accurate and nicely-done it was. Then Kate and I watch “Abraham” with Richard Harris and Barbara Hershey and the other Bible flicks that followed. So I give up my usual sci fi and action and comedy DVD’s for religious ones. I replace all the kids nightly reading with Biblical and religious themed stories.
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The idea of a Lent dvd fest is creative. I’m going for some reading. Still contemplating what, though.
Our Tuesday supper is free. We got two very nice drop-ins, from across the street from the church. The lady is a book collector.
I am glad my bacon and washing went equally well. Usually, my washing is considered superior to my cooking.
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Our Tuesday supper is free. We got two very nice drop-ins, from across the street from the church. The lady is a book collector.
I am glad my bacon and washing went equally well. Usually, my washing is considered superior to my cooking.
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I always loved the name “Shrove” Tuesday. Couldn’t get more Britished up, could they?
Glad everything went ok…I hope you have a blessed Lent, too! Still thinking about what I plan to give up. I have that pretty much ironed out. Getting ready to fast tomorrow. Every Lent Kate and I do the Bible/Catholic marathon of DVDs. Kate and I are watching the “John Paul II” mini series on DVD with John Voigt and Carey Elwes playing JP2. I really love that flick. Touching and really down to earth. He’s still my hero. Gets me in a Lenten mood. I usually work up the courage over about 30 days to watch the Passion of the Christ. That movie upsets me a lot but I need to see it during Lent. It’s powerful and deep but a real tough film to watch for me. We always watch “Jesus of Nazareth” the mini series from the late 70’s with Robert Powell, Ann Bancroft, James Farentino, and the gang on DVD and “The Story of David” with Timothy Bottoms and Anthony Quayle. I saw it years ago late at night on TBS at like 1am and couldn’t get over how accurate and nicely-done it was. Then Kate and I watch “Abraham” with Richard Harris and Barbara Hershey and the other Bible flicks that followed. So I give up my usual sci fi and action and comedy DVD’s for religious ones. I replace all the kids nightly reading with Biblical and religious themed stories.
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Oh trust me, I’m a reader. I’m not in your league/level, LOL, but I’m a book junkie. However, I discovered that after having a 4, 3, and 2 year old and coming home from a classroom of 12-year-olds and public school drama as well as the rest of life, I’m so exhausted that my attention span can only take so much. Reading is more a weekend luxury so I’m going for DVD’s that have meat to them …too tired for much else…
…too tired for much else…
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Being a teacher must be hard. I couldn’t imagine doing it. Especially with a bunch of 12 year olds. Kids are rough at that age. I hope you have a good relaxing period!Oh trust me, I’m a reader. I’m not in your league/level, LOL, but I’m a book junkie. However, I discovered that after having a 4, 3, and 2 year old and coming home from a classroom of 12-year-olds and public school drama as well as the rest of life, I’m so exhausted that my attention span can only take so much. Reading is more a weekend luxury so I’m going for DVD’s that have meat to them
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Quite honestly, Eris, the kids are the easy part. I love being around sixth graders. Bring it. The number one most destructive, corrosive, invasive force I’ve met are some of the parents. Notice I say “some.” A large majority of parents never read with their kids, never help them with homework, enable them to be late constantly, are excuse-makers, and they tend to act lawyerly as a defensive adjutator rather than a parent. I frequently have parents who don’t know how to pronounce my name, don’t know where my classroom is (!!), and one parent this year didn’t even know what grade her kid was in! She argued with me on and on that her daughter was a fifth-grader and that I was a fifth-grade teacher! When I taught early man in history and science, I had a nutty evangelical mom tell me I “don’t have the holy spirit” and that I preach a pack of lies, even though I presented early men as theories and by no means a sure fact. That same evangelical mom chokes her kid to death socially. She doesn’t let her watch any TV except videos she approves, never lets her go anywhere, forces her to watch Lawrence Welk (which I think is child abuse in itself! lol), and she wouldn’t let her go with us to science camp. I have several parents covered in tattoos who cuss, etc. Frequently each year there are some who refuse to come to conferences to get their kids’ progress, and one mom of a kid in my class actually WORKS AT OUR SCHOOL!! and yet won’t show up for conference! She is in denial about her son who has aspberger syndrome. The shacking up, multiple divorces and remarriages, the drug use, the incarcerations, the dysfunction at home, all create a poisonous atmosphere for these poor kids.
It’s rare to find a well-adjusted, married parents, white picket fence kid these days. They all have so much baggage, God bless 'em. I just plug along and try my best. But when Obama and Bush and the rest try to blame teachers for the collapse of public education, it’s hard not to laugh. The parents are the epicenter…and administrators sure don’t help!
It’s rare to find a well-adjusted, married parents, white picket fence kid these days. They all have so much baggage, God bless 'em. I just plug along and try my best. But when Obama and Bush and the rest try to blame teachers for the collapse of public education, it’s hard not to laugh. The parents are the epicenter…and administrators sure don’t help!
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uh, what?
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I agree I have seen a lot of parents who let their kids do whatever. My mom scares me still, and I’m almost 21. She never laid a hand on me, but she scared me. I was rarely misbehaved as a kid. It’s like the parents who bring a stroller to a rated R movie and their kids are crying or running all over the place. My dad, when he was able to speak, always taught me “You can’t always get what you want”(Yes, the Rolling Stones! We played that song at his funeral outside the church as the casket was leaving), and didn’t spoil me. I was the anti-thesis of an only child. My mom always read to me as a kid, it really helped me out, because we spent time together and I learned something
I didn’t have the whole white-picket-fence thing, but I was well adjusted for losing my dad at 9, and watching him deteriorate my whole life. Granted, I’m a bit of a “Goth” kid with tattoos and facial piercings with multicolored hair, but I’m a good person most of the time. Plus I’m really close with my family, so it helps a lot. I feel bad for the evangelical’s child, some of them can be really harsh and scary. There is a fine line between a good parent and an overbearing one.
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Eh, kids should not be Discordian. It’s kind of something you need to discover as you grow up. My mom had rules, and consequences for breaking them, so it was kind of a no brainer of what I should do. As I got older, and still, there are rules, but I don’t have as much structure and get to discover myself more as a person by exploring all kinds of things, especially where faith is concerned. It’s actually a lot about maturity, and children are not mature enough to handle this way of thinking.
*Edit: I don’t say need as in everyone needs to be Discordian, but need as in you need to be an adult to be able to fully think and reason.
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If you saw my room, you would understand
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Just curious, what would make you come to Catholic Answers Forums?If you saw my room, you would understand
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