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I’m not asking you to interpret according to Protestant beliefs. Please discuss the Scriptures according to your personal beliefs. I know there is fear with many Roman Catholics to read the Scriptures for themselves. But let’s try it. God is pleased when you mediate on His Word day and night.
Please forgive my comment here, but your discussion is interesting, especially when you state “Roman Catholics have fear to read scriptures for themselves”. I dont know what ever gave you that impression, when Catholics live out the scriptures. Many may not know this fact, but Roman Catholics live out the scriptures and the apostolic teachings.

As far as reading the scriptures from a Catholic perspective, we have the guarantee from the Holy Spirit to reaveal God’s word to us, through the 2000 year old Magesterium of the body of Jesus Christ on earth, who holds the keys to the kingdom of God, and is able to bind and loose those things that are of God and that are not of God, with Jesus the head doing likewise (see Mathew 16:16-19).

This brings up ny next point, Roman Catholics have the freedom to read and interprete sacred scripture, and allow the Holy Spirit to instruct, reveal, edify, bless the individual. But the individual Roman Catholic does not have the authority to take his personal interpretation of scripture and go start a new church with it.

Upon the freedom Roman Catholics have to read and recieve personal interpretation to oneself from scripture, and to determine if it is universal (Catholic), all one has to do is measure his/her personal interpretation to the 2000 year old teachings of the Catholic church, by her scripture and sacred apostolic Tradtions of scripture interpretation, to balance it or measure it up to the Truth that does not and cannot change.

I as a Catholic from the Roman rite, can read, meditate, reflect on scripture between myself and God in my prayer closet, and share it with loved ones. But if I want to teach it, my interpretation must meet the following criteria. One, it cannot conflict with the Oral sacred Traditions of the apostles, two, my interpretation has to be supported from the Old Testament and fulfilled in the New Testament, three my interpretation has to have been believed and taught by the Magesterium of the Catholic church. In summary my personal interpretation is what it is between me and God, If I want to teach my interpretation as truth, it must follow sacred scripture and sacred Tradition for it to be part of the full deposit of faith and Truth Jesus gave his Church built on Peter.

Peace.
 
Please forgive my comment here, but your discussion is interesting, especially when you state “Roman Catholics have fear to read scriptures for themselves”. I dont know what ever gave you that impression, when Catholics live out the scriptures. Many may not know this fact, but Roman Catholics live out the scriptures and the apostolic teachings.

As far as reading the scriptures from a Catholic perspective, we have the guarantee from the Holy Spirit to reaveal God’s word to us, through the 2000 year old Magesterium of the body of Jesus Christ on earth, who holds the keys to the kingdom of God, and is able to bind and loose those things that are of God and that are not of God, with Jesus the head doing likewise (see Mathew 16:16-19).

This brings up ny next point, Roman Catholics have the freedom to read and interprete sacred scripture, and allow the Holy Spirit to instruct, reveal, edify, bless the individual. But the individual Roman Catholic does not have the authority to take his personal interpretation of scripture and go start a new church with it.

Upon the freedom Roman Catholics have to read and recieve personal interpretation to oneself from scripture, and to determine if it is universal (Catholic), all one has to do is measure his/her personal interpretation to the 2000 year old teachings of the Catholic church, by her scripture and sacred apostolic Tradtions of scripture interpretation, to balance it or measure it up to the Truth that does not and cannot change.

I as a Catholic from the Roman rite, can read, meditate, reflect on scripture between myself and God in my prayer closet, and share it with loved ones. But if I want to teach it, my interpretation must meet the following criteria. One, it cannot conflict with the Oral sacred Traditions of the apostles, two, my interpretation has to be supported from the Old Testament and fulfilled in the New Testament, three my interpretation has to have been believed and taught by the Magesterium of the Catholic church. In summary my personal interpretation is what it is between me and God, If I want to teach my interpretation as truth, it must follow sacred scripture and sacred Tradition for it to be part of the full deposit of faith and Truth Jesus gave his Church built on Peter.

Peace.
Thank you…that was very good. We do understand the basis of the Protestant Reformation, correct? What particular teachings of the Catholic Church can we examine in the light of Scripture? Should we discuss the secondary issues or the essentials issues?

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The biblical doctrine of justification is the essential reason that I am not Roman Catholic. The doctrine of justification is the heart of the biblical gospel of God’s grace. How great is the work of Christ, or how sufficient is the work of Christ on our behalf? Th best way to answer this is through the Scriptures.
 
Let me start with an example. I believe Peter had a wife because Jesus healed Peter’s mother-in-law who later served the disciples. Do you agree that this is recorded in the Scriptures?
Let me reply:

(I am not a christian though- big warning)

Peter may have had a wife, certianly. But, was she ALIVE then at this point? I doubt it. Peters mom would NOT have been the one serving the disciples if she was. Peter’s wife would have been.😉
So, I am taking a guess here and going with Peter was a widow, who like a good Jew, continued to care for his wifes mom.🙂

Thanks for giving me this new appreciation of Peter:)
Bless you
 
Thank you…that was very good. We do understand the basis of the Protestant Reformation, correct? What particular teachings of the Catholic Church can we examine in the light of Scripture? Should we discuss the secondary issues or the essentials issues?

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The biblical doctrine of justification is the essential reason that I am not Roman Catholic. The doctrine of justification is the heart of the biblical gospel of God’s grace. How great is the work of Christ, or how sufficient is the work of Christ on our behalf? Th best way to answer this is through the Scriptures.
NDFan has addressed an issue in light of Catholic teaching that you seemingly overlooked. You have come back with other questions referencing secondary or essential issues. Let’s start there if you like. Please tell me what teachings of Christ were secondary and which were essential?

God Bless,
Prodigal Son1
 
Who determines what are essential issues and what are secondary issues?
 
Let me reply:

(I am not a christian though- big warning)

Peter may have had a wife, certianly. But, was she ALIVE then at this point? I doubt it. Peters mom would NOT have been the one serving the disciples if she was. Peter’s wife would have been.😉
So, I am taking a guess here and going with Peter was a widow, who like a good Jew, continued to care for his wifes mom.🙂

Thanks for giving me this new appreciation of Peter:)
Bless you
Peter having a wife or being a widow is really a non-essential. However, I do not understand how Roman Catholic Priests and Popes cannot marry when the apparent first pope was once married. This really is not a very great example, unless you are a Roman Catholic clergy who wants to be married. My roomate out of college dropped out of law school and became a Catholic Priest, so I do have personal insights too. I know Paul speaks in the scriptures about the later days that some will forbid to marry. I believe Rome also has dietary restrictions too.
1The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. 2Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. 3They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth. 4For everything God created is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, 5because it is consecrated by the word of God and prayer. 1 Tim 4
 
The biblical doctrine of justification is the essential reason that I am not Roman Catholic. The doctrine of justification is the heart of the biblical gospel of God’s grace. How great is the work of Christ, or how sufficient is the work of Christ on our behalf? Th best way to answer this is through the Scriptures.
I am providing a scriptural basis for my perspective of Catholic justification. I’d be interested in seeing your thoughts, especially since you are not providing any scriptures to support your side of the discussion.

We are purified from sin according to scriptures.

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1Jn 1:7 but if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from all sin.

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2Pe 1:9 For whoever lacks these things is blind and shortsighted and has forgotten that he was cleansed from his old sins.

Our sins are taken away.

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Joh 1:29 The next day he saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, "Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!

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Heb 9:26 for then he would have had to suffer repeatedly since the foundation of the world. But as it is, he has appeared once for all at the end of the age to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.
Heb 9:27 And just as it is appointed for men to die once, and after that comes judgment,
Heb 9:28 so Christ, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time, not to deal with sin but to save those who are eagerly waiting for him.

Our sins are cleared away.

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Psa 50:3 Our God comes, he does not keep silence, before him is a devouring fire, round about him a mighty tempest.

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Psa 102:12 But thou, O LORD, art enthroned for ever; thy name endures to all generations.

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Isa 43:25 "I, I am He who blots out your transgressions for my own sake, and I will not remember your sins.

Justification is also a future process.

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Rom 2:13 For it is not the hearers of the law who are righteous before God, but the doers of the law who will be justified.

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Rom 3:20 For no human being will be justified in his sight by works of the law, since through the law comes knowledge of sin.

The scriptures belows tell us of Abraham’s justifications.

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Heb 11:8 By faith Abraham obeyed when he was called to go out to a place which he was to receive as an inheritance; and he went out, not knowing where he was to go.

Gen 12:1 Now the LORD said to Abram, “Go from your country and your kindred and your father’s house to the land that I will show you.
Gen 12:2 And I will make of you a great nation, and I will bless you, and make your name great, so that you will be a blessing.
Gen 12:3 I will bless those who bless you, and him who curses you I will curse; and by you all the families of the earth shall bless themselves.”
Gen 12:4 So Abram went, as the LORD had told him; and Lot went with him. Abram was seventy-five years old when he departed from Haran.

Rom 4:2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God.
Rom 4:3 For what does the scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness.”

Gen 15:6 And he believed the LORD; and he reckoned it to him as righteousness.

Jas 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he offered his son Isaac upon the altar?
Jas 2:22 You see that faith was active along with his works, and faith was completed by works,
Jas 2:23 and the scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness”; and he was called the friend of God.

Gen 22:1 After these things God tested Abraham, and said to him, “Abraham!” And he said, “Here am I.”
Gen 22:2 He said, “Take your son, your only son Isaac, whom you love, and go to the land of Mori’ah, and offer him there as a burnt offering upon one of the mountains of which I shall tell you.”
Gen 22:3 So Abraham rose early in the morning, saddled his ***, and took two of his young men with him, and his son Isaac; and he cut the wood for the burnt offering, and arose and went to the place of which God had told him.
Gen 22:4 On the third day Abraham lifted up his eyes and saw the place afar off.
Gen 22:5 Then Abraham said to his young men, “Stay here with the ***; I and the lad will go yonder and worship, and come again to you.”
Gen 22:6 And Abraham took the wood of the burnt offering, and laid it on Isaac his son; and he took in his hand the fire and the knife. So they went both of them together.
Gen 22:7 And Isaac said to his father Abraham, “My father!” And he said, “Here am I, my son.” He said, “Behold, the fire and the wood; but where is the lamb for a burnt offering?”
Gen 22:8 Abraham said, “God will provide himself the lamb for a burnt offering, my son.” So they went both of them together.
Gen 22:9 When they came to the place of which God had told him, Abraham built an altar there, and laid the wood in order, and bound Isaac his son, and laid him on the altar, upon the wood.
Gen 22:10 Then Abraham put forth his hand, and took the knife to slay his son.
Gen 22:11 But the angel of the LORD called to him from heaven, and said, “Abraham, Abraham!” And he said, “Here am I.”
Gen 22:12 He said, “Do not lay your hand on the lad or do anything to him; for now I know that you fear God, seeing you have not withheld your son, your only son, from me.”
Gen 22:13 And Abraham lifted up his eyes and looked, and behold, behind him was a ram, caught in a thicket by his horns; and Abraham went and took the ram, and offered it up as a burnt offering instead of his son.
Gen 22:14 So Abraham called the name of that place The LORD will provide; as it is said to this day, “On the mount of the LORD it shall be provided.”
Gen 22:15 And the angel of the LORD called to Abraham a second time from heaven,
Gen 22:16 and said, “By myself I have sworn, says the LORD, because you have done this, and have not withheld your son, your only son,
Gen 22:17 I will indeed bless you, and I will multiply your descendants as the stars of heaven and as the sand which is on the seashore. And your descendants shall possess the gate of their enemies,
Gen 22:18 and by your descendants shall all the nations of the earth bless themselves, because you have obeyed my voice.”

We must become partakers of the divine nature.

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2Pe 1:4 by which he has granted to us his precious and very great promises, that through these you may escape from the corruption that is in the world because of passion, and become partakers of the divine nature.

Maybe it would be easier to approach the subject using the words of Protestants. Protestants are quick to ask, “are you saved”? We believe we are saved, we are being saved and we will be saved. In other words, we must work for our salvation.

Past

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Rom 8:24 For we are saved by hope. But hope that is seen is not hope. For what a man seeth, why doth he hope for?

Eph 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together in Christ (by whose grace you are saved)

Eph 2:8 For by grace you are saved through faith: and that not of yourselves, for it is the gift of God.

2Ti 1:9 Who hath delivered us and called us by his holy calling, not according to our own works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the times of the world:

Titus 3:5 Not by the works of justice which we have done, but according to his mercy, he saved us, by the laver of regeneration and renovation of the Holy Ghost.

Present

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Php 2:12 Wherefore, my dearly beloved, (as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only but much more now in my absence) with fear and trembling work out your salvation.

1Pe 1:9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.
 
Future

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Mat 10:22 And you shall be hated by all men for my name’s sake: but he that shall persevere unto the end, he shall be saved.

Mat 24:13 But he that shall persevere to the end, he shall be saved.

Mar 8:35 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever shall lose his life for my sake and the gospel shall save it.

Act 15:11 But by the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, we believe to be saved, in like manner as they also.

Rom 5:9 Christ died for us. Much more therefore, being now justified by his blood, shall we be saved from wrath through him.
Rom 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son: much more, being reconciled, shall we be saved by his life.

Rom 13:11 And that, knowing the season, that it is now the hour for us to rise from sleep. For now our salvation is nearer than when we believed.

1Co 3:15 If any mans work burn, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved, yet so as by fire.

1Co 5:5 To deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Heb 9:28 So also Christ was offered once to exhaust the sins of many. The second time he shall appear without sin to them that expect him unto salvation.

Will our faith be enough or is more required?

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Jas 2:24 Do you see that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only?

Jas 2:26 For even as the body without the spirit is dead: so also faith without works is dead.

Gal 5:6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing nor uncircumcision: but faith that worketh by Charity.

1Co 13:2 And if I should have prophecy and should know all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I should have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.

Joh 14:15 If you love me, keep my commandments.

Mat 19:16 And behold one came and said to him: Good master, what good shall I do that I may have life everlasting?
Mat 19:17 Who said to him: Why askest thou me concerning good? One is good, God. But if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

I’ve seen Protestants deny many times that works are required but scriptures support the opposite.

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Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven: but he that doth the will of my Father who is in heaven, he shall enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Mat 19:16 And behold one came and said to him: Good master, what good shall I do that I may have life everlasting?
Mat 19:17 Who said to him: Why askest thou me concerning good? One is good, God. But if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

Joh 14:21 He that hath my commandments and keepeth them; he it is that loveth me. And he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father: and I will love him and will manifest myself to him.

Rom 2:2 For we know that the judgment of God is, according to truth, against them that do such things.
Rom 2:3 And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them who do such things and dost the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?
Rom 2:4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and patience and longsuffering? Knowest thou not that the benignity of God leadeth thee to penance?
Rom 2:5 But according to thy hardness and impenitent heart, thou treasurest up to thyself wrath, against the day of wrath and revelation of the just judgment of God:
Rom 2:6 Who will render to every man according to his works.
Rom 2:7 To them indeed who, according to patience in good work, seek glory and honour and incorruption, eternal life:
Rom 2:8 But to them that are contentious and who obey not the truth but give credit to iniquity, wrath and indignation.

Gal 5:4 You are made void of Christ, you who are justified in the law: you are fallen from grace.
Gal 5:5 For we in spirit, by faith, wait for the hope of justice.
Gal 5:6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing nor uncircumcision: but faith that worketh by Charity.

Eph 2:8 For by grace you are saved through faith: and that not of yourselves, for it is the gift of God.
Eph 2:9 Not of works, that no man may glory.
Eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus in good works, which God hath prepared that we should walk in them.

Php 2:12 Wherefore, my dearly beloved, (as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only but much more now in my absence) with fear and trembling work out your salvation.
Php 2:13 For it is God who worketh in you, both to will and to accomplish, according to his good will.

Jas 2:14 What shall it profit, my brethren, if a man say he hath faith, but hath not works? Shall faith be able to save him?
Jas 2:15 And if a brother or sister be naked and want daily food:
Jas 2:16 And one of you say to them: Go in peace, be ye warmed and filled; yet give them not those things that are necessary for the body, what shall it profit?
Jas 2:17 So faith also, if it have not works, is dead in itself.
Jas 2:18 But some man will say: Thou hast faith, and I have works. Shew me thy faith without works; and I will shew thee, by works, my faith.
Jas 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God. Thou dost well: the devils also believe and tremble.
Jas 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
Jas 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, offering up Isaac his son upon the altar?
Jas 2:22 Seest thou that faith did cooperate with his works and by works faith was made perfect?
Jas 2:23 And the scripture was fulfilled, saying: Abraham believed God, and it was reputed to him to justice, and he was called the friend of God.
Jas 2:24 Do you see that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only?

Scriptures show us there is no assurance of salvation.

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Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven: but he that doth the will of my Father who is in heaven, he shall enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Mat 24:13 But he that shall persevere to the end, he shall be saved.

Rom 8:16 For the Spirit himself giveth testimony to our spirit that we are the sons of God.
Rom 8:17 And if sons, heirs also; heirs indeed of God and joint heirs with Christ: yet so, if we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified with him.

Php 2:12 Wherefore, my dearly beloved, (as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only but much more now in my absence) with fear and trembling work out your salvation.

1Co 9:27 But I chastise my body and bring it into subjection: lest perhaps, when I have preached to others, I myself should become a castaway.

1Co 10:11 Now all these things happened to them in figure: and they are written for our correction, upon whom the ends of the world are come.
1Co 10:12 Wherefore, he that thinketh himself to stand, let him take heed lest he fall.

Gal 5:4 You are made void of Christ, you who are justified in the law: you are fallen from grace.

2Ti 2:11 A faithful saying: for if we be dead with him, we shall live also with him.
2Ti 2:12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him. If we deny him, he will also deny us.
2Ti 2:13 If we believe not, he continueth faithful, he cannot deny himself.

Heb 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once illuminated, have tasted also the heavenly gift and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
Heb 6:5 Have moreover tasted the good word of God and the powers of the world to come,
Heb 6:6 And are fallen away: to be renewed again to penance, crucifying again to themselves the Son of God and making him a mockery.

Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after having the knowledge of the truth, there is now left no sacrifice for sins:
Heb 10:27 But a certain dreadful expectation of judgment, and the rage of a fire which shall consume the adversaries.

Scriptures tell us we will be judged according to our deeds.

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Rom 2:5 But according to thy hardness and impenitent heart, thou treasurest up to thyself wrath, against the day of wrath and revelation of the just judgment of God:
Rom 2:6 Who will render to every man according to his works.
Rom 2:7 To them indeed who, according to patience in good work, seek glory and honour and incorruption, eternal life:
Rom 2:8 But to them that are contentious and who obey not the truth but give credit to iniquity, wrath and indignation.

2Co 5:10 For we must all be manifested before the judgment seat of Christ, that every one may receive the proper things of the body, according as he hath done, whether it be good or evil.

2Co 11:15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers be transformed as the ministers of justice, whose end shall be according to their works.

1Pe 1:17 And if you invoke as Father him who, without respect of persons, judgeth according to every one’s work: converse in fear during the time of your sojourning here.

Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing in the presence of the throne. And the books were opened: and another book was opened, which was the book of life. And the dead were judged by those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead that were in it: and death and hell gave up their dead that were in them. And they were judged, every one according to their works.

Col 3:24 Knowing that you shall receive of the Lord the reward of inheritance. Serve ye the Lord Christ.
Col 3:25 For he that doth wrong shall receive for that which he hath done wrongfully. And there is no respect of persons with God.
 
Peter having a wife or being a widow is really a non-essential. However, I do not understand how Roman Catholic Priests and Popes cannot marry when the apparent first pope was once married. This really is not very great example, unless you are a Roman Catholic clergy who wants to be married. I know Paul speaks in the scriptures about the later days that some will forbid to marry.
Another catholic may need to clarify this for me, but I think I can handle this one with a blindfold on. Its not hard.

Peter being married at any point in his ministry does not have anything to do why there are Latin Rite catholic priests who accept this as a discipline not a dogma. Other rites have married priests (eastern rites). There is no problem with a priest being married, the discipline is to keep the tradition of the sanctity of celibacy (think Jesus, Paul, John the Baptist) its not a bad thing to be worried about.
I thought you wanted to stick to scriptures?
Anyway who gets to decide whats essential and whats non-essential?

edit to add You sure added a lot to your post in edit mode. :rolleyes:
 
Thanks, but just deal with Romans chapters 3 and 4 in context of the book of Romans first. The battle is imputation as compared to infused grace and sacramental regeneration.
 
Another catholic may need to clarify this for me, but I think I can handle this one with a blindfold on. Its not hard.

Peter being married at any point in his ministry does not have anything to do why there are Latin Rite catholic priests who accept this as a discipline not a dogma. Other rites have married priests (eastern rites). There is no problem with a priest being married, the discipline is to keep the tradition of the sanctity of celibacy (think Jesus, Paul, John the Baptist) its not a bad thing to be worried about.
I thought you wanted to stick to scriptures?
Anyway who gets to decide whats essential and whats non-essential?

edit to add You sure added a lot to your post in edit mode. :rolleyes:
I think essentials have to do with salvation issues.
 
So stop beating around the bush and dive into something. Why do we always derail the threads 🤷

Pick a topic and let’s discuss interpretations of scripture and learn from one another:)
Whoa there, NDfan! Who’s beating around the bush? Not me. The OP stated that most Catholics fear reading the scriptures by themselves. That is simply not true. May seem a little off topic, but the OP brought it up, I didn’t. 🙂

To the OP, maybe you want to start another thread on this topic and keep this one for reflecting on scripture.

Peace to all and God bless.
🙂
 
Thanks, but just deal with Romans chapters 3 and 4 in context of the book of Romans first. The battle is imputation as compared to infused grace and sacramental regeneration.
Why limit anything to a single book, or specific chapters? Is there a reason to do that?

I declare this a non-essential, because I can. 😛

Lets go to the essential (I declare it is) of the Beginning of John 1:1 all the way through.
 
Thank you…that was very good. We do understand the basis of the Protestant Reformation, correct? What particular teachings of the Catholic Church can we examine in the light of Scripture? Should we discuss the secondary issues or the essentials issues?

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The biblical doctrine of justification is the essential reason that I am not Roman Catholic. The doctrine of justification is the heart of the biblical gospel of God’s grace. How great is the work of Christ, or how sufficient is the work of Christ on our behalf? Th best way to answer this is through the Scriptures.
I believe the question to your answer for not being Catholic has to do with understanding the body of Jesus Christ, The Church Jesus built upon the rock (Peter present day Pope), and Jesus being the head of the visible and invisible kingdom of God on earth which is the Catholic church built upon Peter today. If we can use scripture to prove that Jesus is truly present in his body the Catholic church since Pentecost, and How Jesus operates through his body on earth through consecrated Virgin Men (see Revelations ) as he himself was, to act in persona Christi, and how Jesus makes himself known to his bride. I believe Justification, works, grace, scrpture, sacred Tradtion, sacraments, stewards of the mysteries of God are still being admistered today to the sheep fold of God through the magesterium. All these essentials will cover the non essentials. Ok.
 
**I am asking that the Roman Catholic Christian play the role of a Protestant Christian. **

Isn’t that like asking an intelliigent person to play the role of a stupid one?
 
**I am asking that the Roman Catholic Christian play the role of a Protestant Christian. **

Isn’t that like asking an intelliigent person to play the role of a stupid one?
Now that was just uncalled for.
 
**I am asking that the Roman Catholic Christian play the role of a Protestant Christian. **

Isn’t that like asking an intelliigent person to play the role of a stupid one?
That wasn’t very nice.
 
Let’s stop goofing around! It’s time to discuss the actual contents of the Scriptures. How do are personal beliefs hold up to the light of Scripture? This thread is about searching the Scriptures together to see if what we personally believe is true. 😉
In my opinion we can argue the finer points of theology 'til the cows come home, but its just your preacher’s interpretation vs. my priest’s interpretation.

How 'bout we discuss contraception?

This is where ther rubber meets the road. No pun intended.
 
I’m glad you are angry.
:ehh: I wasn’t angry.
I hope that emotion will drive you to the Scriptures. Please consider wresting with the Scirptures for yourself and compare it to what Rome teaches.
See, look where assuming things blindly about people gets you. I am a recent convert who fled the Christian faith in her youth in part because of constant badgering by evangelical acquaintances. I felt that that what they taught wasn’t Christianity, and frustrated with my Episcopal church which was big on outward trappings but short on actual Christianity, and knowing nothing about the Catholic Church at all, I simply wrote off Christianity as irrelevant. Fast forward twenty years when I made a more mature and sincere inquiry into Christianity and discovered that the teachings of the Catholic Church fully and perfectly answer all the things I had earlier seen as insurmountable problems.

You want to debate doctrine, drop the condescension and pick a doctrine you want to debate.
 
:ehh: I wasn’t angry.

See, look where assuming things blindly about people gets you. I am a recent convert who fled the Christian faith in her youth in part because of constant badgering by evangelical acquaintances. I felt that that what they taught wasn’t Christianity, and frustrated with my Episcopal church which was big on outward trappings but short on actual Christianity, and knowing nothing about the Catholic Church at all, I simply wrote off Christianity as irrelevant. Fast forward twenty years when I made a more mature and sincere inquiry into Christianity and discovered that the teachings of the Catholic Church fully and perfectly answer all the things I had earlier seen as insurmountable problems.

You want to debate doctrine, drop the condescension and pick a doctrine you want to debate.
Let’s discuss the gospel of God’s grace. What is your understanding of the gospel of God’s grace?
 
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