Disney's World of W.I.T.C.H.

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Panis Angelicas:
Good description, BlessedBe13.
This is pretty much why Christians are instructed to avoid the practice of witchcraft, sorcery, casting spells, divination, etc.
The practitioner attempts to exercise powers which rightfully belong to God alone.
Energy is within nature. People use other things from nature - animals, plants, minerals, etc. to suit there own needs. This is no different.
 
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genevieve.oz:
what more proof do you need that these types of books desensitize young minds to the evils of the occult?
If the witch floats when being dunked, does that mean she’s innocent - or guilty ?

:hmmm:
 
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Monarchy:
Do get you to prove your claim.

I am not trying to do so, You made SPECIFIC claims, and I am attempting to get you to show me the specific facts supporting such. I even helped you by listing some spells and names (since I feel I would be safe in betting you haven’t acctually read the books) and you still have not shown any evidence for the specific claims you made. This is akin to me saying that you are an atheist, and then showing as my proof the fact that you post to www.infidels.org (many christians post there BTW). You make a specific claim but then give General proof. Doesn’t work that way. Until you can prove that the specfic claims you made are true. I have right to think of you as a liar, or a person who doesn’t know what she is talking about.

Then please show the information that proves your specific claim.
I realize what the deal is. Solid proof. Proof in witchcraft? Proof in God? You believe in neither? You are right I haven’t filled my mind with HP garbage. I do know that it is witchcraft and I don’t mess with it. Spells, I am sure. Names of devils, I am sure of. Because it is in my make up, my faith. Something you can’t understand nor touch because you want something solid. You may not see what you do now, but shortly there will come a time you will see solid. May God have mercy on you.
 
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homeschoolhelen:
Spells, I am sure. Names of devils, I am sure of. Because it is in my make up, my faith.
The point is, you have given *zero *proof to support your claims. You have not listed occult spells that are in Harry Potter. You have offered no proof of which demons are mentioned in Harry Potter. You have made an outrageous claim and are now evading the question because you have no proof of it and refuse to admit you were mistaken.
 
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homeschoolhelen:
I realize what the deal is. Solid proof. Proof in witchcraft?
NO!!! Solid proof of the claim that you made. You claimed that the spells in HP are REAL. You also claimed that the names in HP are the names of demons. You have yet to show one iota of proof of your claim. You make general statements and then complain when I hold your feet to the fire.
Proof in God? You believe in neither? You are right I haven’t filled my mind with HP garbage. I do know that it is witchcraft and I don’t mess with it. Spells, I am sure. Names of devils, I am sure of.
Then Please Prove it. And I love how you are making concrete statements about a series of books You have never read.
Because it is in my make up, my faith. Something you can’t understand nor touch because you want something solid. You may not see what you do now, but shortly there will come a time you will see solid. May God have mercy on you.
There are those who scoff at the school boy, calling him frivolous and shallow. Yet it was the schoolboy who said, “Faith is believing what you know ain’t so.”
Mark Twain, Following the Equator, ch. 12, “Pudd’nhead Wilson’s New Calendar” (1897)
 
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BlessedBe13:
The point is, you have given zero proof to support your claims. You have not listed occult spells that are in Harry Potter. You have offered no proof of which demons are mentioned in Harry Potter. You have made an outrageous claim and are now evading the question because you have no proof of it and refuse to admit you were mistaken.
Why get bogged down with facts?
 
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Monarchy:
Why get bogged down with facts?
shrugs I guess facts aren’t important when making ridiculous claims.

I’ll go accuse someone of assaulting me and robbing me. No need to prove why I say so. They must be guilty just because I made the claim.
 
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jamesclaude:
If the witch floats when being dunked, does that mean she’s innocent - or guilty ?

:hmmm:
If my memory serves me correct, if they float they’re guilty.
 
Hey now - I’m a floater!! I can’t even sit in a hottub without floating to the top! Could it be that I sweep my floor with my broom too much that did it to me?

Gonan go turn on EWTN, ya’ll are freaking me out!
 
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AirForceMama:
Hey now - I’m a floater!! I can’t even sit in a hottub without floating to the top! Could it be that I sweep my floor with my broom too much that did it to me?

Gonan go turn on EWTN, ya’ll are freaking me out!
LOL - I needed a good laugh tonight ! Thanks, AFM ! :rotfl:

But I’ll bet you a quarter that a mob - complete with firewood and torches - would assemble today just as quickly as they did in the olden days - if given half reason or rumor…

Thank goodness that sports is society’s modern safety valve for blowing off steam…

January 4th + St. Elizabeth Ann Seton +
 
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jamesclaude:
If the witch floats when being dunked, does that mean she’s innocent - or guilty ?

:hmmm:
😃 OK…so it won’t hold up as evidence in a court of law…all the same, taking the word of a person who is into witchcraft that reading books dealing with occult practices is harmless and OK is just silly.
 
Gees, where’s ppl’s sense of fun?! Reading is READING and others like myself who read fantasy books like Harry POtter enjoy the story and the adventures the kids in the books have! The reason I and others including kids enjoy it , is because it’s PRETEND! Gees kids are not dumb! They know that it’s not real but they need to learn what good and evil is, so like in Harry Potter, Harry Potter will help his friends whenever he can, that’s being GOod, where as Malfoy will always pick on Harry Potter and his friends, that’s BAD.

Also don’t take my word for it, but there’s been countless books written that show why we need fairy tales etc to read to kids, one point mentioned in one reading i did was that it developes a childs brain. The conclusion of the reading? Well more good comes from reading fairy tales than not reading to your kids these type of books!

Also a lot of the fairy tales have changed with the Walt Disney versions on things, so for example, in the original the Little Mermaid, the evil wich cuts our Ariels tounge not steal hervoice! But the morals the same! And lets face it let kids be kids while they can and let them learn! I’ve been brought up in a strong Catholic family and we alwayed watch things like He-Man and She-Ra and Carebares and Rainbow Brite and others! And I thank my parents for that because it was fun and it help create my imagination! 😃

Thank God for fairy tales and authors who have the guts to write fun books despite ppl being sill about it!
 
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angel_crooks:
Gees, where’s ppl’s sense of fun?! Reading is READING and others like myself who read fantasy books like Harry POtter enjoy the story and the adventures the kids in the books have! The reason I and others including kids enjoy it , is because it’s PRETEND! Gees kids are not dumb! They know that it’s not real but they need to learn what good and evil is, so like in Harry Potter, Harry Potter will help his friends whenever he can, that’s being GOod, where as Malfoy will always pick on Harry Potter and his friends, that’s BAD.

Also don’t take my word for it, but there’s been countless books written that show why we need fairy tales etc to read to kids, one point mentioned in one reading i did was that it developes a childs brain. The conclusion of the reading? Well more good comes from reading fairy tales than not reading to your kids these type of books!

Also a lot of the fairy tales have changed with the Walt Disney versions on things, so for example, in the original the Little Mermaid, the evil wich cuts our Ariels tounge not steal hervoice! But the morals the same! And lets face it let kids be kids while they can and let them learn! I’ve been brought up in a strong Catholic family and we alwayed watch things like He-Man and She-Ra and Carebares and Rainbow Brite and others! And I thank my parents for that because it was fun and it help create my imagination! 😃

Thank God for fairy tales and authors who have the guts to write fun books despite ppl being sill about it!
I like the Wizard of Oz! I like pretend also. But HP is a whole different ball of wax. It IS with occult. It ISN’T about fantasy in some aspects because it is teaching witch"Craft" It isn’t just about fantasy.
 
I just wanted to bring this up because there is a H.P quetion in “the water cooler”, and I pointed to this thread so others may see it.

I have been trying to encourage my daughter to read H.P, she got all 5 books for Christmas, and now I think I need to put some more thought into that. Everyone here, has made such good points.

I am also anxious to see the proof of spells and demons. I am not being sarcastic, I really want to know if this is true.
 
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BlessedBe13:
Energy is within nature. People use other things from nature - animals, plants, minerals, etc. to suit there own needs. This is no different.
You’re not attempting to draw a parallel between eating and casting a spell, are you?
 
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Laurel:
I just wanted to bring this up because there is a H.P quetion in “the water cooler”, and I pointed to this thread so others may see it.

I have been trying to encourage my daughter to read H.P, she got all 5 books for Christmas, and now I think I need to put some more thought into that. Everyone here, has made such good points.

I am also anxious to see the proof of spells and demons. I am not being sarcastic, I really want to know if this is true.
I have read all 5 HP books and I have not seen any problems with them (I have also read them to my son). The poster who made the claims about the spells and demon names has yet to post specific proof for her claim. I have seen this argument many times and I have never been shown proof when I asked for it.

The spells in HP are just latin, or latin sounding words. For example the spell Lumos (latin for light) causes light to come out the end of a wand. As far as the names go, they either give hints about the character, or they are just names that J.K. Rowling has collected because she liked them (Harry’s Owl Hedwig, for example, is named after a midieval saint).
 
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homeschoolhelen:
I like the Wizard of Oz! I like pretend also. But HP is a whole different ball of wax. It IS with occult. It ISN’T about fantasy in some aspects because it is teaching witch"Craft" It isn’t just about fantasy.
Helen, I am a Catholic who tries to follow all the teachings of the Church. I also believe all that the Church teaches.

I have read all the HP books and I have to agree with Monarchy. Harry Potter is not occult and it does not teach the occult. It is fiction. It does not contain any real charms or any names of demons. What Monarchy wants you to do is give him some examples of demons that are named in the books. His point is that you are unknowings helping to spread false rumors about JK Rowlings.

The spells are all latin words(or just sound like latin sometimes) that mean what they do. For example, in the books lumo is a spell that makes light.

The names of the characters in the books explain the character, or they are just a normal name or they are a name she just made up.
 
Hi, 👋

Thank you both for your responses. I will let her read them. I would like to too. We have only seen the first movie, and I hear the books are much better. My 8 yr, old wants to give them a try too. I think we will have fun reading them together!
Thanks again for the info!
 
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jimmy:
Helen, I am a Catholic who tries to follow all the teachings of the Church. I also believe all that the Church teaches.

I have read all the HP books and I have to agree with Monarchy. Harry Potter is not occult and it does not teach the occult. It is fiction. It does not contain any real charms or any names of demons. What Monarchy wants you to do is give him some examples of demons that are named in the books. His point is that you are unknowings helping to spread false rumors about JK Rowlings.

The spells are all latin words(or just sound like latin sometimes) that mean what they do. For example, in the books lumo is a spell that makes light.

The names of the characters in the books explain the character, or they are just a normal name or they are a name she just made up.
It is because no one wants to believe that this could happen. That you could be duped! Read the following and that is the last time I will be on this page, for real.

There are elements of fantasy and good story-telling in this book. At the same time, the whole story in set in an occult context, and with references to real occult practices and views mixed in with fantasy. The hero of the book is a wizard/witch/sorcerer whose goal is to learn how to use his powers through the occult. **Much is made of the fact that the author wrote while on welfare on scraps of paper at a cafe. This makes it sound like everything is totally from her imagination; however, she did not imagine alchemy, charms, scrying, Nicolas Flamel, astrology, the Dark Side, or many other occult concepts and information. It is only reasonable to assume that Rowling did some research or has had some exposure to occult and magical practices.
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The idea of using sorcery to fight evil, or using “good” magic to fight “bad” magic, is a major component of the plot. In 1996, a movie called The Craft taught the audience that using witchcraft to fight evil is good. This movie helped to galvanize the growing Wicca/witchcraft movement and attracted a lot of teen girls to Wicca (Llewellyn’s New Worlds of Mind and Spirit, Sept/Oct. 1996, p. 6: “Whether you loved it or hated it, The Craft created a surge of interest in magick, the occult, and Witchcraft”). Ask any Wiccan how to defend the practice of witchcraft, and many will respond that it is okay to use one’s powers “for good.” How does this message differ from the Harry Potter books? Harry Potter, far from teaching against the occult, gives a rousing cheer for it. Those opposed to witchcraft or wizardry are mocked and painted as stupid.

We are not in world where witches are crones with black robes and pointed hats or where wizards and sorcerers exist only in Disney movies. We are in a world where ordinary people seriously practice witchcraft, sorcery, spells, and other occult methods. Many witches, psychics, Neo-pagans and others involved in the occult were my clients when I practiced astrology. A June 14, 1999 article of “Publishers’ Weekly Online,” discusses how popular pagan books have become among younger readers. At that point, Teen Witch had sold more than 50,000 copies. Llewellyn’s director of trade sales stated that his company (which publishes occult titles) started “repackaging ‘classic’ pagan titles with more youthful covers, and sales often jumped tenfold as a result,” (Michael Kress, “Bewitching Readers With Pagan Lore, <www.bookwire.com/pw/images2/relig2.jpg>). One of the books discussed is a book on “white witchcraft.” Essential to this philosophy is to not go over to the “dark side” and practice “dark” or “black” witchcraft, exactly what is taught in Harry Potter.

There is a difference between fantasy and the occult. Fantasy can be used in a way that totally leaves out references to the occult. But this is not what happens in this book; instead, fantasy feeds on the occult and is fueled by it. Yes, this is just a story, but stories can teach and influence. Stories can present ideas and endorse worldviews. Does this book desensitize children to the occult? What happens when they get older and encounter peers who practice magick, cast spells, and attempt spirit contact? These practices are becoming more popular, and are already widespread among adolescents.

Harry Potter glorifies the occult. God condemns the occult. Should we take a book lightly that endorses what God has so seriously forbidden?
 
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homeschoolhelen:
It is because no one wants to believe that this could happen. That you could be duped! Read the following and that is the last time I will be on this page, for real.
Oh I see you have finally shown the specific prove for your assertion. oh, wait a minute, you haven’t.

however, she did not imagine alchemy, charms, scrying, Nicolas Flamel, astrology, the Dark Side, or many other occult concepts and information. It is only reasonable to assume that Rowling did some research or has had some exposure to occult and magical practices.

Star Wars has Clairvoyance, Is it evil? The diviniation teacher is made to be a dingbat and a fraud. She makes only two correct prophesies in the books.
The idea of using sorcery to fight evil, or using “good” magic to fight “bad” magic, is a major component of the plot.
As a person who has actually read the books, I would argue that magic is a sideline, used to forward the story, which is one of love and suffering and sacrifice.
** sniped stuff that had nothing to do with HP **
Harry Potter glorifies the occult. God condemns the occult. Should we take a book lightly that endorses what God has so seriously forbidden?

From procinwarn.com/harry.htm:
I appreciate that many Christians are taking a stand against the Harry Potter series which promotes the occult in a most blatant manner.

But I want to also point out that C.S. Lewis’ books, The Chronicles of Narnia are also Occult Fantasy dealing with witches and spells and so-called white magic and black magic and even ascribing the “deeper magic” to the “Emperor Across the Sea” who some believe that C.S Lewis meant to represent God the Father. It is blasphemous to ascribe to our miracle working God a “deeper magic”.

see also keepersofthefaith.com/BookReviews/BookReviewDisplay.asp?key=4

Would you allow Lord of the Rings or Cronicles of Narnia?
 
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