Disrespect of Christ

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Thank you again for your response. I respectfully request you please not give your (name removed by moderator)ut on this thread any further. You are taking this too personally and just making assumptions. I am in need of HELP and guidance and you do not understand what I am trying to say.

I’m not wanting to leave the church because of Christmas decorations; good assumption there. It really isn’t about Christmas decorations. Its about reverence.My “tarring” up the church is what? People like myself, who believe in absolute respect for the sanctity of the house of the Lord and the tradition of our church, are heretics now?
I am entitled to post on this forum the same as you are. I am not taking anything personally. I am trying to establish just what your problem really is. I did not call you a heretic. I stated that our Church does not disrespect Christ simply because in your parish sanctuary, the Christmas trees were placed where they obscure the tabernacle. Was that the only issue? Did you ever think that maybe that was an accident, or that the decorators were going to shift them around once they got the lights on (or whatever?).
 
Thank you for understanding what I was saying and for your kind words. God Bless you and you family. I believe Christ is pulling me toward the more traditional part of our beautiful Church.
I’m relieved to read that you were not seriously considering leaving the Church.

I know many people who felt “pushed” into the traditional praxis of the Faith by scandals in the parishes in their diocese, some of whom are still rather angry about it. However, I was “pulled” into traditionalism even though I was already assisting at beautiful OF Masses at a local shrine. I do not remember the place I left badly, I just feel like I’m being fed more solid food now, so to speak. My concern for you is that you’ll let anger make a home in your heart. There are so many things to justify being angry, but most of us are not saints who can carry anger in holiness, so I urge you to let it go before you look into the FSSP or anything else.

God bless.
 
Ok first to both of you, you are acting out of a very limited experience of your own parishes or at best, the parishes in this part of the world. As someone who has lived in about three countries, multiple parishes in each now, I can tell you that this is not the same everywhere.

Our part of the world is in a bit of a turmoil. Priests know morality but they don’t know prudence. They know what they must not do but don’t know how to live a life that helps them do that. Same has extended to the faithful. In such a scenario, you are bound to see these abuses.

For many with normal sensibilities, both the OP’s complain and Jessup’s regarding Liquor selling can be seen as obviously imprudent acts. The bad thing here is that most, especially well intentioned Catholics who are doing their best to follow the Lord, will not see that. They will get in to arguments with you and put you down as trying to enforce your opinion and that the Church never states it immoral. The issue of course is that we both know it is immoral on the grounds of prudence. Prudence comes with our sensibilities. In a culture where sensibilities are often distorted, it is no surprise to meet such a reaction.

So both of you need to understand this. Be patient with others and try to slowly show them the way. Discuss the matters. The part of the world we live in is almost like an early Christian community. People are still groggy and trying to grasp around and find their way. They know what is right and wrong from the church but they do not know how to live their lives to best accomplish/reflect what they know. They come from a culture that has abandoned its Christian tradition and way of living for more than a century. So you must be patient. Correct them with brotherly/sisterly love. If they do not accept, be patient. We know they disrespect Christ unknowingly. We know they act imprudently with the liquor issue. But our duty then is to stick around and keep showing them the way. Raise our point in the best way possible and explain it to them. If they don’t listen, make it clear that you still disagree and pray for them. Leaving the Church is a selfish move and honestly, unwise because as St. Peter said “Lord, to whom else do we go?”

Also if you leave, you would have abandoned your duty to stay and help your brothers and sisters.

We will also do well to keep in mind that the Orthodox are lacking communion with the Successor of Peter. Thus they are prone to error and contradicting traditions. After all, Orthodox already allow divorce. Some Orthodox patriarchates are known to be in favor of allowing contraception as well.

As long as you are Catholic, you will have access to the truth. Thus, it is why you know why somethings are right or wrong like the OP issue. If you leave the church, you are just trading that treasure for something that makes you feel good.
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  I've been to a large portion of all the parishes in my Diocese with in my singles group.
On the coast here; compared to inland it is ridiculous. It makes me want to throw up to see bar and grill advertisements on the back of a parish bulletin. Places where I can go and get coke and pot if I want to after mass, at the beach side hang outs owned by a parishioner.
I don’t think that is what Jesus had in mind when he climbed up on the cross. Amongst small billboards at parking spaces which are equivalent to ball park advertisements.
Its a joke, You never see any of this in reformed churches, it really makes me think.
 
On the other hand, a non-Catholic visitor to that church might think, “Hey, this isn’t so bad after all, in fact, it’s all pretty and stuff,” and might just come back the next week and even enroll in RCIA. It happens.
That was my thought regarding communion on another thread; Christians as a whole partaking of the Eucharist…
 
looked upon the beautiful crucifix of our Lord and thought of his mercy. I looked around and noticed two people decorating 1 of 4 18ft christmas trees next to the altar. I looked around and saw lighted christmas trees all over the church and watched several laypeople, whom I know, walk all over and around the altar without any respect. ees.

Peace
I am sorry for the pain you are in. I’m just going to say that our Priest is trying to bring back ‘reverence to the temple of the Lord.’ He has asked people to stop talking inside the church before and after mass, and to wear respectful clothing. He has instituted some of the masses being said in Latin. He is getting MASSIVE resistance and lots of angry e-mails.

Could your Priest be trying to change things- against the tide of what the parishoners are comfortable with? If you leave the church will anyone remain to help make the changes that you want to see?
 
I’ve been to a large portion of all the parishes in my Diocese with in my singles group.
On the coast here; compared to inland it is ridiculous. It makes me want to throw up to see bar and grill advertisements on the back of a parish bulletin. Places where I can go and get coke and pot if I want to after mass, at the beach side hang outs owned by a parishioner.
I don’t think that is what Jesus had in mind when he climbed up on the cross. Amongst small billboards at parking spaces which are equivalent to ball park advertisements.
Its a joke, You never see any of this in reformed churches, it really makes me think.
The fact that large number of Catholics, even those who attend Mass weekly, seem to treat the Faith as a joke is a scandal, and when any of us undermines Her we are guilty, but I pray you’ll find the encouragement to persist in the True Faith despite that. There is simply no knowing what the “reformed churches” will do or teach 100 years from now, but even if the sincere faithful are reduced to a tiny minority in the Church and most of our shepards fall into error (God forbid!), the Church Herself will teach the same Faith.
 
I am sorry for the pain you are in. I’m just going to say that our Priest is trying to bring back ‘reverence to the temple of the Lord.’ He has asked people to stop talking inside the church before and after mass, and to wear respectful clothing. He has instituted some of the masses being said in Latin. **He is getting MASSIVE resistance and lots of angry e-mails.**Could your Priest be trying to change things- against the tide of what the parishoners are comfortable with? If you leave the church will anyone remain to help make the changes that you want to see?
What an uphill battle good priests have. Its insane that they get resistance from the faithful for trying to put God first.

This reminds me to offer my Saturday rosary for priests.
 
Being a medical student has nothing to do with it. I was giving a little info about myself. Are you being funny or do you really believe it is okay for an animal to lay at the altar?
Please understand that I’m not trying to upset you more, but I’m in agreement with those who believe your emotions over yesterday’s tragic shooting got the best of you. Since you are a medical student, you will need to work on keeping your cool in intense situations- especially when you are a doctor and a cool head and ability to keep your emotions under control are vital to your patients’ (and those that work with you) well-being.

I honestly believe that you should contact your priest, let him know what happened and that you were distraught over the massacre and blew up at some parishioners who you felt weren’t giving the proper respect as they decorated and would like to discuss the incident with him (since I would bet that those parishioners you berated have already told him about what happened (or will at their next opportunity).
 
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